Franklin Graham fumes over SCOTUS ruling:

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'My rights to fire LGBTQ people ‘are the freedoms our nation was founded on’

June 16, 2020

By David Badash, The New Civil Rights Movement

Anti-LGBTQ activist Franklin Graham is furious over Monday’s Supreme Court ruling that finds Title Vii of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects LGBTQ workers from discrimination, and says America was founded on his right to fire them.

“As a Bible-believing follower of Jesus Christ, my rights should be protected,” Graham writing on Facebook about the SCOTUS decision, insists. “Even if my sincerely held religious beliefs might be the minority, I still have a right to hold them. The same holds true for a Christian organization. These are the freedoms our nation was founded on.”

“I believe this decision erodes religious freedoms across this country,” the evangelical Christian preacher continued. “People of sincere faith who stand on God’s Word as their foundation for life should never be forced by the government to compromise their religious beliefs.”

That’s just plain false. For example, it’s also the argument pedophile polygamist Warren Jeffs, President of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints made. The courts disagreed. (The FLDS is not the Mormon Church.)

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[The Blue Flower]

1. Would that include stoning for adultery?

Could have some high-level consequences.

[LiberalFighter]

47. For him they should use the sword.

[JesterCS]

2. Works both ways asshole!

How is it any different forcing others to live by "your" religious ideals? Ever notice how selfish some self proclaimed religious persons actually are? In direct contradiction to what their religion says?

It's astounding how many cannot grasp such a simple concept

[spanone]

3. fuck him

[Pacifist Patriot]

23. Took the words right out of my mouth.

[malaise]

36. Ditto

[Mike 03]

4. How does he justify his views Biblically is what I always want to know.

Does he think for a second that Jesus would turn his back on LGBTQ people?

I can't stand these pretentious religious hypocrites.

Besides, didn't Franklin Graham have a fling with a pool boy?

[Mariana]

19. Leviticus very clearly condemns men who have consensual sex with other men.

"Condemns" in the sense that it requires the death penalty for men who have sex with other men.

[Mike 03]

40. But I thought the New Testament replaced the old law?

(disclosure: I'm not a Christian so I don't know what I'm talking about here)

[Mariana]

43. It depends upon how one "interprets" the Bible.

However, in Matthew 5 : 18, Jesus said, "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

[Mike 03]

44. Thank you. Interesting.

I wish I knew more about this.

[broiles]

46. I thought it said "they should be stoned"

meaning high on weed. I like my read on it better.

[Mariana]

49. Of course, the Bible is open to "interpretation".

I like your read on it better, too.

[Midnight Writer]

54. Does Graham think Leviticus gives him the legal right to discriminate against shellfish eaters?

[catbyte]

21. I've come to the conclusion that none of them are Christians. They're Leviticusians.

Their hatred of all things gay stems from cherrypicking that OT chapter, although they ignore the inconvenient stuff like not eating pork or shellfish, etc.

[Mike 03]

41. Probably this.

Graham cites Jesus in his weak justification.

Maybe I learned wrong, but I thought the New Testament was considered the final word on how we treat each other.

[SidDithers]

45. Nope They're Christians...nt

Sid

[Mariana]

5. I know, Christians are so persecuted in this country.

How unspeakably awful this must be for Reverend Graham, and for Christians like him.

[RhodeIslandOne]

26. Why I just walked a block yesterday and DID NOT SEE A CHURCH!

BLASPHEMY!!!

[Renew Deal]

6. Russia might be more his style

He will love the state sponsored homophobia

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. What if my religion requires human sacrifice?

Would the law allow me to cut out Franklin Graham's heart on the stone altar in my back yard if my sincerely held religious belief tells me that the gods demand that sacrifice?

[lastlib]

29. The true path to salvation is through head-hunting---

specifically the heads of religious bigots like Graham, Falwell, and Robertson. Surely Mr. Graham would uphold that religious freedom if I would support his.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

57. Hehe

I'll bring Mitch McConnell as a two fer. The gods would be very pleased

[Jamastiene]

59. I want to join your religion.

We could make quick work of all of these anti-GLBT jerks and make the world a better place. That's what religion is supposed to do right?

[yellowcanine]

8. I love the smell of religious right butt burn in the morning.

[SoonerPride]

9. People just use the bible as a cudgel. They use it to justify their hate.

Religion is a cancer on humanity.

All religions. Everywhere.

I wish it would disappear from the face of the earth.

[maxrandb]

10. I think he needs to run third party this year

Let's see how many fucked up dipshits we really have in Murika.

Hey Franklin, the rapist in Chief with high heels and a rolled up sock down his pants...you know the one with the Earl Scheib face paint job and the hair held on by tin and pop rivets let you down.

Go get him you self-righteous amphibian turd.

[Walleye]

39. Earl Scheib😂

[sunonmars]

11. So in that case, you want to be able to fire somebody for anything, can I fire Christians?

I bet they would be up in arms at that though.

[sunonmars]

12. My God loves everyone and if they don't, I'm giving a piece of my mind and strutting on down to hell

[PJMcK]

13. Poor little Frankie!

Your hatefulness has consequences.

But I have a question for all of you fundamentalist Christians:

Show me the Bible verse where Jesus condemns homosexuality. Don't quote Leviticus because that argument fails because you're not following all of the other admonishments listed there. By the way, if we run through the Ten Commandments, we can apply them to Trump and see how he fares:

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me; Trump openly lusts for money.
2. Honor thy father and thy mother; let's give him a pass on this one.
3. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy; Trump doesn't go to church, he goes golfing.
4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image; check out the decor at any Trump facility.
5. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; we've heard Trump curse many times.
6. Thou shalt not kill; okay, he hasn't shot anyone on Fifth Avenue... yet.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery; too obvious!
8. Thou shalt not steal; also too obvious!
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor; Trump lies all the time.
10. Thou shalt not covet; Trump's whole life is lusting for other people's things.

So, Trump openly flaunts at least 8 of the 10. Nice fellow you support, Graham. He really doesn't embody Jesus' teachings.

Pro tip: Jesus never said a word about homosexuality.

[Wounded Bear]

16. IIRC, most of the New Testament anti-homosexual quotes come from Paul...

and the other Epistles. Nothing from Jesus himself.

[Wounded Bear]

14. Yeah, and "Good Christian" Southerners fought for the right to kill their slaves...

[2naSalit]

15. ...

Fuck that charlatan.

[JHB]

17. These guys rewrite what "our nation was founded on" as much as they rewrite the Civil War

It's an article of faith among evangelicals that they hold "the faith of our founding fathers", which is patently false. There may be a few of the FFs who come close, but there are no matches, and the rest run a gamut from aminline protestant to Deist.

But it's part of these people's identity to regard themselves as "the Real America", so history that doesn't match their self-image gets airbrushed out as cleanly as in a Soviet photograph.

[budkin]

18. He should cry forever

And ever.

[panader0]

20. Perhaps Franklin can quote book, chapter and verse where Jesus talks about

his condemnation of LGBTQ. Christian=believer in Christ right? So put up or shut up.
Fucking hypocrites, fucking stupid hypocrites. They promote hate, the opposite of Christ's teachings.
I'm an atheist, but more of a Christian than all those fuckheads.

[Kid Berwyn]

22. Does this mean Graham can't watch the pool boy and his wife anymore?

Dizz. Asster.

[oasis]

24. Christian? nt

[blitzen]

25. Jesus, that's a dumb argument! n/t

[ProfessorGAC]

48. Succinct!

Really dumb!

[BlueLucy]

27. Imagine demanding to be able to fire people

based on who they love. This is downright evil.

[roamer65]

28. We need to start persecuting ilk like Graham.

They are enemies of a just and fair society.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

58. Yes!

These narcissistic people do need to learn what persecution really is.

Fucking asshole

[ck4829]

30. He has the right to believe people are all aliens who replaced the people who they say they are

But he can’t discriminate against them.

That’s what Frankie boy seems to be missing here.

[Happy Hoosier]

31. Confederates believed....

That the Bible supported their right to hold slaves.

So Imma gonna call bullshit on that Franklin.

[North Shore Chicago]

32. June

June has been an excellent month for great news for the LGBT community! My future wife and I were on a long trip on her birthday when over the radio we heard SCOTUS ruled on same sex marriage. We were both over the moon and was married before the buffoon was inaugurated.

So what I'm saying is if Frank is unhappy, THAT means good news for us.

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33. Welcome to DU!

[North Shore Chicago]

52. Thank you!

n/t

[TreasonousBastard]

34. I do wish Franklin Graham and his ilk would shut up, but he does bring up a serious debate...

among Christian scholars.

(Not that he could be called a "scholar", but that's for another day...)

Leviticus definitely called homosexual acts sins, but many rabbis today are softening in their views. Besides, Jesus said the old law was over and a new day had appeared. The question might be asked-- just which old laws. Certainly murder was not wiped out with kosher rules...

Paul, in disputed texts, did rant about homosexuality, but seemingly in specific contexts to specific groups. Translating the original Greek (as far as we can figure out the original Greek) it almost looks like he is just condemning drag queens, not homosexuality itself.

But, Paul is often considered just a grumbling old scold anyway, so who cares what he thought. He seems to be solidly against sex slavery, straight or gay, but I suspect modern Christians don't need his sayso to be against it.

Another case of competing rights in modern America.

[Jirel]

37. No competing rights here.

He has no right to mistreat others based on his beliefs, or to force others to live their lives according to them. He can believe whatever the hell he wants. Nobody is stopping him.

[phylny]

42. Some scholars believe

that the admonishment in Leviticus was not against homosexuality, but being inhospitable to a traveler/visitor.

Regarding Paul, some scholars also believe that it was the practice of men having sex with young boys, not with each other, that was the issue.

[standingtall]

51. The whole law was fulfilled at least in regards of eternal salvation

including murder. For Jesus paid for all the sins of his sheep. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


"But, Paul is often considered just a grumbling old scold anyway, so who cares what he thought. He seems to be solidly against sex slavery, straight or gay, but I suspect modern Christians don't need his sayso to be against it.

Another case of competing rights in modern America."

Paul's style was not to claim that he was more righteous than anyone else, but to teach that everybody except for Jesus was a sinner and that there is no hope in yourself. Justification could only come through the imputed righteousness of Christ.

There was a time in Paul's life when he was self righteous when he was a Pharisee before is conversion. Then he had this to say.

Philippians 3:5-9 5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;

6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,

9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

A lot of fundamentalist have the same mindset as the Pharisees. Where their trying to keep the law or trying to keep what they think the law is. Well no one could keep the law except for Jesus.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. So if your trying to justify yourself by the works of the law if you tell a little white lie than you are also guilty of murder or whatever sin you wont to name.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.


Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

[Jirel]

35. Shut up, snowflake.

You can believe any goddamned thing you want. You just don’t get to force others to act on your beliefs. You can’t deny women and African-Americans the right to vote. You can’t refuse to hire legal immigrants. Suck it up, buttercup.

[Thekaspervote]

38. Makes my day!

[Nature Man]

50. What if my sincerely held belief, albeit a minority one,

involved feeding fake xtians to the lions and crucifixions for the survivors?

/sarcasm

[backscatter712]

53. Graham can take his bigotry and his toxic Bronze Age fairy tales and shove them up his ass.

[tavernier]

55. What an angry mean ugly expression on that man's face.

It’s like he’s rotting from the inside out and it’s starting to show on his face.

[Blue Owl]

56. Franklin can take his precious views to the grave where they'll die with him

Soon, preferably...

[Martin Eden]

60. Religious "freedom" does not include denying rights to others

What Franklin and his ilk want is theocracy, which is antithetical to the freedoms enshrined in our Constitution.