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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am really sick of having to explain why a black man who was shot in the back by a police officer
in violation of law and police procedure would have reason enough to be afraid of being harmed by the police even if he complied that he would resist arrest and run away.
C'mon people. Think.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(116,066 posts)Yes, the guy had a taser. So what? A taser is supposedly a non-lethal weapon, so if they wanted to arrest the guy why didn't the police respond with proportional force instead of deadly force? Especially by shooting him in the back. Even if it was appropriate to arrest him, and it might have been, a drunk guy armed only with a taser absolutely should not have been shot in the back. He was running away, FFS. There are no excuses for shooting him. None.
BComplex
(8,097 posts)They had his car!
There is no death penalty approved anywhere in these United States for being drunk.
The police in this country have WAY too much power, and that has to stop.
obamanut2012
(26,204 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,464 posts)They can safely manage to arrest (white) people with lethal weapons. There is no excuse for this sort of thing.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Just let the guy run away. Why cant you de-escalate the situation? The problem of him blocking the drive thru is gone.
It's about "obey my authority." And letting him get away is a hit to their pride. They aren't trained to solve problems. They are given hammers and taught that everything is a nail. That has to change.
JudyM
(29,294 posts)Mosby
(16,437 posts)Everything that occurred is the fault of the cops.
He was guilty of drunk driving, but they treated him like he was a suicide bomber heading towards the White House.
The cops in CA had to rethink high speed chases which often resulted in deaths and serious injury, because it's beyond stupid to engage in a high speed chase for some guy who rolled thru a stop sign.
The police departments in the country need to all be retrained, and the unions need to have their influence curtailed.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Is a perfect example of how cops have been trained to de-escalate. Why can they not apply that rationale across the board? Because we've got a force full of "obey muh authoriteh" types who take particular exception to "uppity" black people.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)They knew then where to find him so shooting him was unnecessary. They could have chased him until they caught him but that was to much work fo them. If they were seriously worried about finding him then they could have gotten a K-9. K-9's are usually more likely than not at finding who/what they are asked to find. There were many things they could have done but they didn't.
Nululu
(842 posts)He did not deserve to die.
They could tow his car, issue a warrant, let him get picked up later or turn himself in.
Shanti Mama
(1,288 posts)This is 100% about control. Sickening.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I'm tempted to scream, "Because they KILLED him, mother fu#ker! THAT's why!"
But that would make me a hostile black woman, so I just patiently expain it AGAIN ...
BComplex
(8,097 posts)that for you please just let me know! I'm on it!
Hell yeah he had reason to be afraid! That's what the marches have been saying for the past almost 3 weeks!
WTF?? I can't believe any DUers would think otherwise. There was NO fucking excuse to kill him!
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)"White Shield!"
BComplex
(8,097 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)Four police officers had just lynched a defenseless black man in their custody in public only a few weeks ago. I'm a white man. I don't hear about 1/100th of the cases of police maltreatment of blacks under police control, and even I know enough to know that the results of any encounter African Americans have with the police are uncertain, even if most times those fears don't materialize - that time.
The thing about fear is that it is destabilizing. Very few people remain cool calm and collected while experiencing a surge of fear. Throw some alcohol into the mix on top of that and sometimes people can act in a manner that, in hindsight, was not in their best interests. It is easy for me to sit here in the peace and safety of my home office and say that Rayshard made some poor decisions, and yes that's what I think. He had to make a snap judgement and he made one. Now he is dead, and he did not deserve to die.
Sitting here with my white privilege intact it seems obvious to me that it was very unlikely that those cops would have seriously harmed Rashard had he not resisted arrest. After all they had interacted with him in a non threatening manner for the half hour preceding that attempted arrest. You know what the key word in my last sentence is? It's the word "unlikely". Not inconceivable, not impossible, not unprecedented, just "unlikely." I repeat, just unlikely. But yes literally conceivable, yes literally possible, and absolutely with strong precedent that Rayshard might have suffered serious harm had he not resisted arrest. That is the type of chilling reality that someone like me doesn't have to give much thought to, but Rayshard had to.
Maybe if he were cold hard sober he would have calculated the odds differently, and surrendered himself into police custody. Maybe had George Floyd not been lynched by the police while in their custody three weeks prior Rayshard would have calculated the odds differently and not resisted that arrest. Maybe this, maybe that, but the fear he felt was real and his reasons for feeling that fear were real. Black tombstones prove it.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)a black man truly afraid of the police would not fight them.
Trying to arrest and handcuff someone is wrong? Police officers should never do that?
I'd say such tone-deafness is "unbelievable" among a professed progressive, but, sadly, it's very believable.
obamanut2012
(26,204 posts)LEO and military humpers all.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,919 posts)Do you go along with a kidnappers instructions or do you try to kick him in the balls?
Fighting is always an option instead of complying if you fear that meek compliance could have deadly consequences.
And few whites have the experience to realize how unpredictable the behavior of police who apprehend a black "suspect" can be. Fighting back against cops is inherently dangerous which is why, I think it can be assumed, so many African American parents have "the talk" with their sons about how to behave if the police stop them. Understood, but how often does saying "Sir" and obediently trying to produce an ID when requested still result in death instead of safety?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,538 posts)authority is required to mitigate chaos, and that if people Would Just Follow The Rules, nothing bad would ever happen.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)So they can do no wrong.
BComplex
(8,097 posts)generations.
Demsrule86
(68,907 posts)who opined he pointed the taser at cops...he was shot in the back. It was murder pure and simple. And what did the officer say at the end? "I got him".
Goodheart
(5,352 posts)It was more like reaching back to fire a "stop fucking chasing me!" sort of desperation message.
cally
(21,602 posts)My thoughts exactly. You don't shoot someone in the back to stop them running away ever.
Marcuse
(7,568 posts)Gothmog
(146,101 posts)The use of deadly force is only permitted to save one's own life of the life of another. This man was not going to hurt anyone and there was no justification for the use of deadly force This is basic criminal law
mcar
(42,482 posts)and people are saying it was his fault.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
electric_blue68
(15,041 posts)to shoot a man running away!
Racism, Control, Big Ego
betsuni
(25,859 posts)Bettie
(16,152 posts)who are looking for excuses to blame the victim here.
I'm sorry that white people are often so awful.
ecstatic
(32,816 posts)We should all be on the same page about this. The longer people continue to make excuses for this shit, the longer it will continue. Enough!
Also, it shouldn't matter why Rashard did what he did. Afraid, intoxicated, whatever--it's just another distraction. Doesn't matter and did not warrant an execution.
It should be obvious to everyone by now that we have thousands of officers on the street who are terrified by their own shadows and shouldn't have access to guns. Don't go into policing if you're that damn afraid!