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Stinky The Clown

(67,819 posts)
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:49 AM Jun 2020

*IF* we win the presidency, the House and the Senate, the first bill to be signed . . . . .

. . . . . should be one that, point by point, specifically reinstates every bill, policy, and law enacted by the US and overturned by Trump.

We can change and improve them later, as need be, but such a bill puts Trump in the shitcan, right where he belongs and right out of the gate.

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*IF* we win the presidency, the House and the Senate, the first bill to be signed . . . . . (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Jun 2020 OP
I get the point but it doesn't work that way. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #1
So glad that the EOs can be dealt with quickly! Mike 03 Jun 2020 #4
Make sure he is escorted out to the streets. LiberalFighter Jun 2020 #23
If Biden got a list of all administrative rules put in place in a particular gov't agency or dept CousinIT Jun 2020 #6
No, because each agency publishes and enacts its own rules, The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #7
You always have good info. panader0 Jun 2020 #11
Yes. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #13
Bill Barr and mitch mcconnell need to be arrested: mcconnell for RICO $$ and BComplex Jun 2020 #10
+1 K&R - corrupting the DoJ onetexan Jun 2020 #14
The second should increase the number of judges on each federal court Kyblue1 Jun 2020 #2
That's been mentioned before and nice in theory but in 20 years we'll have jimfields33 Jun 2020 #5
that would be good - the replacement of judges from past era onetexan Jun 2020 #15
20-year term limit for new judges. n/t forgotmylogin Jun 2020 #19
Agree!! onetexan Jun 2020 #20
That would be a good idea. jimfields33 Jun 2020 #22
As I wrote in response to the poster you replied to, it would be easier to simply nullify StevieM Jun 2020 #18
Have you read the Constitution lately? You might want to check it out. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #31
I believe that the president and the congress have the authority StevieM Jun 2020 #34
Congress does, not the president. It would have to be done by legislation. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #35
My point is that Congress could pass legislation that enabled the reform to the courts StevieM Jun 2020 #36
It would be easier to simply nullify all of Trump's appointments to all bodies, StevieM Jun 2020 #17
Do this. jaxexpat Jun 2020 #21
Would it have been good in 2017 if it was easier for Trump to nullify all of Obama's appointments? tritsofme Jun 2020 #24
First of all, he had no need to. StevieM Jun 2020 #27
How, exactly, would that be done? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #30
When malaise Jun 2020 #3
Something Biden could do in one day... world wide wally Jun 2020 #8
I hope he does exactly that. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #9
Why would you expect him to have the opportunity? tritsofme Jun 2020 #25
"Customary," yes. But since when did Trump's people follow customs or norms? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #28
A literal bonfire of his executive orders lame54 Jun 2020 #12
I suspect Biden's staff is already accumulating a list ready of all of trump's executive orders.... George II Jun 2020 #16
The Second Act? Rescind Citizens United. ancianita Jun 2020 #26
How ya gonna do that? It's a Supreme Court decision. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #29
You're right, I'm not gonna do that. And it won't be a quick second thing, either. Still, ancianita Jun 2020 #32
Biden needs to ram through every judge he can Wanderlust988 Jun 2020 #33

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
1. I get the point but it doesn't work that way.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 10:55 AM
Jun 2020

Each of Trump's bad laws has to be processed separately, by repealing the bad bill and passing a new one to replace it. Same is true of administrative rules. What can be done much more quickly, however, is the rescission of Trump's executive orders, and I'm sure that will happen as soon as possible.

I think the very first thing that needs to be done is firing Bill Barr. He should be 86'd no later than COB on 1/20.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
4. So glad that the EOs can be dealt with quickly!
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:04 AM
Jun 2020

Thank god. If Biden has to go through those one by one it could take up half his first term.

CousinIT

(9,259 posts)
6. If Biden got a list of all administrative rules put in place in a particular gov't agency or dept
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:07 AM
Jun 2020

Could he boilerplate a new rule that immediately restores the rule previously in effect prior to the one put in place by Trump?

Trump even suspended all environmental regulations. His rule allowing discrimination of LGBTQ people in ACA again should be rescinded, etc. etc. Those may be two different things but I'd think staffers will be very busy collecting all the rules and exec orders Trump enacted so he can boilerplate remove them as much as possible. Laws are of course another story but there should be a list created and a plan to replace them as quickly as possible.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
7. No, because each agency publishes and enacts its own rules,
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:15 AM
Jun 2020

and the process for doing that is governed by the Administrative Procedure Act. A proposed rule, including the repeal of an existing one, has to be published by the regulating agency and reviewed before it is adopted. It can't be done all at once for all agencies.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
13. Yes.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 01:26 PM
Jun 2020

Executive orders remain in force until they are canceled, revoked, adjudicated unlawful (they are subject to judicial review and can be nullified if found unconstitutional), or expire according to their terms. A president can revoke, modify, or make exceptions from any executive order.

https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders

BComplex

(8,067 posts)
10. Bill Barr and mitch mcconnell need to be arrested: mcconnell for RICO $$ and
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 12:25 PM
Jun 2020

Bill Barr for treason, lying to the American people, and destroying the DOJ.

Kyblue1

(216 posts)
2. The second should increase the number of judges on each federal court
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:01 AM
Jun 2020

For every Bitch McConnell right wing zealot appointment there should be a qualified appointment.

jimfields33

(15,979 posts)
5. That's been mentioned before and nice in theory but in 20 years we'll have
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:04 AM
Jun 2020

a thousand judges on every court because they will increase everytime a party chances. Good news is Biden will replace Reagan bush and even Clinton judges during the next 8 years.

jimfields33

(15,979 posts)
22. That would be a good idea.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:53 PM
Jun 2020

I think that is fair and even gives them time served towards a small pension. Most don’t need it but maybe that one might.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
18. As I wrote in response to the poster you replied to, it would be easier to simply nullify
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 01:46 PM
Jun 2020

all of Trump's appointments, by legislative action, to all bodies, including but not limited to the courts.

If they don't do that then Roe vs. Wade will be gone by next June, along with other things, like Obamacare. The GOP will simply declare anything they deem too liberal as unconstitutional by definition.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
34. I believe that the president and the congress have the authority
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:17 PM
Jun 2020

to increase and decrease the size of the court.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
35. Congress does, not the president. It would have to be done by legislation.
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 12:22 PM
Jun 2020

In 1937 Roosevelt issued a proposal to provide retirement at full pay for all members of the court over 70. If a justice refused to retire, an “assistant” with full voting rights was to be appointed, thus ensuring a liberal majority. Most Republicans and many Democrats in Congress opposed the plan and it went nowhere.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
36. My point is that Congress could pass legislation that enabled the reform to the courts
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:11 PM
Jun 2020

that I believe are necessary. The president would then sign it in to law.

I think the result would have been very different in 1937 if the court hadn't abandoned its right-wing rulings. First, Justice Owen Roberts started to vote with the conservatives less. Then there were retirements on the court.

FDR did not just grab for power, as the GOP claimed at the time, and has repeated for many years since. He felt his hands were being forced by a court that was determined to enforce right-wing dogma by judicial fiat.

Today we have that problem on steroids. If they strike down Obamacare then they are essentially saying that anything too liberal is unconstitutional by definition. At that point we are no longer a democracy, by any reasonable definition IMO.

In any event, if the roles were reversed you can be certain that the GOP would not hesitate to use legislation to alter the composition of the courts. They proved how far they would go when they not only refused to confirm Merrick Garland, but were prepared to keep his seat open for the next 4 years.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
17. It would be easier to simply nullify all of Trump's appointments to all bodies,
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jun 2020

including but not limited to the courts.

jaxexpat

(6,853 posts)
21. Do this.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jun 2020

If it's possible, do this and THEN triple the number of DOJ investigators/prosecutors. Look under every rug and rock. Weed out and uproot all the misbegotten outcomes, free the innocent and imprison the guilty. Give the 99.9% a chance again. Eliminate the 0.1% by wealth taxation or whatever. If that doesn't happen, all the other good won't amount to anything.
You only get one shot per 50 years. Maybe 100. Maybe never again.

tritsofme

(17,403 posts)
24. Would it have been good in 2017 if it was easier for Trump to nullify all of Obama's appointments?
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 03:48 PM
Jun 2020

Doesn’t sound like a good idea.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
27. First of all, he had no need to.
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 04:47 PM
Jun 2020

The GOP was about to take control of the court without doing that.

Second, if they need to do that, at some point in the future, they will not hesitate to do so. There sense of entitlement, after Roe vs. Wade is overturned, will be off the charts.

Third, there isn't much choice at this point, IMO, because the GOP majority on the court is about to go wild after this election is over, win or lose.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
30. How, exactly, would that be done?
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:29 PM
Jun 2020

There's no Constitutional provision allowing for it. The Constitution gives Supreme Court justices and other federal judges lifetime appointments, which means no future president can fire them for any reason. Other appointments, such as cabinet members and other agency heads, yes, and that would happen anyhow; but not the courts.

world wide wally

(21,755 posts)
8. Something Biden could do in one day...
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 11:25 AM
Jun 2020

He could have every EO that fuckface has signed all lined up and turn them over one by one as he signs their repeals.
He can even hold them up to the camera just to rub it in.

tritsofme

(17,403 posts)
25. Why would you expect him to have the opportunity?
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 03:50 PM
Jun 2020

It is customary for outgoing Cabinet officials to resign.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
28. "Customary," yes. But since when did Trump's people follow customs or norms?
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 07:24 PM
Jun 2020

There is also often a permitted period of time after the new president takes office for departing agency heads to wind up their work, pack up their offices and leave gracefully. I do not want that to happen. I want Barr's fat ass sitting in the snow on the curb in front of his old office building by 5:00 pm on January 20.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. I suspect Biden's staff is already accumulating a list ready of all of trump's executive orders....
Sun Jun 14, 2020, 01:43 PM
Jun 2020

....and as soon as physically possible Biden will rescind them or issue executive orders reversing them.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
32. You're right, I'm not gonna do that. And it won't be a quick second thing, either. Still,
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 01:39 AM
Jun 2020

Congress can pass a new law redefining "speech," and assuming the President signs it, that could make the CU decision moot. And if it's challenged, SCOTUS can overturn it, sure. But Justice's dissents can offer new angles of challenge, however.

Still, the Supreme Court has overturned more than 200 of its own decisions. ... (CNN) As surprising as it might seem, it isn't uncommon for Supreme Court justices to change their mind. It only takes four of the nine to accept a case that revisits measurable harms done by CU.

A lot can happen in a new Democratic administration, and I'm probably wishful thinking. But new justices, expanding the court, the personal views of the justices, the justices' interactions, social forces and public attitudes, Congress and the president can have some effect on revisiting CU.

I'm no lawyer and this is just my opinion.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
33. Biden needs to ram through every judge he can
Mon Jun 15, 2020, 04:16 AM
Jun 2020

No more Mr. Nice Guy. Schumer needs to ask (in private), every older Dem judge to retire NOW. We can sit around waiting. Things need to get done before the midterms.

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