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lapucelle

(18,356 posts)
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 01:23 PM Jun 2020

Three Headstones in American Military Cemeteries Bear Swastikas

More than 1,300 veterans have been laid to rest in the Fort Douglas Post Cemetery in Salt Lake City since it was established in 1862. Each of these graves, of course, tells a story. But one of them, on its own, complicates the entire narrative.

The headstone belongs to Paul Eilert—a German prisoner of war who died in Utah in 1944. It is marked with more than the average epitaph. Eilert’s headstone, in an American military cemetery, is inscribed with a finely carved swastika. It’s small but unmistakable, and until recently, there were no plans whatsoever to address it, let alone remove it.


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Three Headstones in American Military Cemeteries Bear Swastikas (Original Post) lapucelle Jun 2020 OP
What the hell?! allnews Jun 2020 #1
They were German WW II POWs. N/T lapucelle Jun 2020 #2
Those headstones are in the process of being replaced. LeftInTX Jun 2020 #3
Good to know. N/T lapucelle Jun 2020 #4
I seem to remember a proviso in the Geneva Conventions regarding the burial of POW's. Aristus Jun 2020 #5
Germany won't take them. LeftInTX Jun 2020 #6
Headstones are not statues in public places. milestogo Jun 2020 #7
True, a headstone for a soldier sarisataka Jun 2020 #10
I would leave them alone. LuvNewcastle Jun 2020 #8
Headstones respresent the person buried there. NutmegYankee Jun 2020 #9
I Completely Agree RobinA Jun 2020 #11
There were POW camps all over the USA. NutmegYankee Jun 2020 #12
Mostly from Rommel's Afrika Korps Ex Lurker Jun 2020 #13
Many German and Italian POWs sarisataka Jun 2020 #14

LeftInTX

(25,589 posts)
3. Those headstones are in the process of being replaced.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:07 PM
Jun 2020

New headstones will not have swastikas. They may just have birth and death dates. I think we should at least ID them as POWs, so the public knows why they are buried there.

Aristus

(66,468 posts)
5. I seem to remember a proviso in the Geneva Conventions regarding the burial of POW's.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:10 PM
Jun 2020

That they were to be buried according to the regulations of their own military service. Which in this case, is the swastika.

I wonder if his remains can be repatriated to Germany. Let them deal with the conflict between the Geneva Convention and Germany's ban on the swastika.

LeftInTX

(25,589 posts)
6. Germany won't take them.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:13 PM
Jun 2020

Remains of other POWs were repatriated, but a handful could not find anyone willing to except.

These headstones are in the process of being replaced. The swastikas will be gone.

sarisataka

(18,792 posts)
10. True, a headstone for a soldier
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:14 PM
Jun 2020

That died on US soil during the war is very different than putting a statue of Wilhelm Keitel in downtown Berlin, Wisconsin

LuvNewcastle

(16,858 posts)
8. I would leave them alone.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:20 PM
Jun 2020

They could carve "German POW" on each tombstone. I think that's sufficient explanation. Do we really want to spend money on new tombstones that hardly anyone is going to see, anyway? Waste of funds and effort.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
9. Headstones respresent the person buried there.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 02:29 PM
Jun 2020

As soldiers of the German Army serving under the swastika flag, that would have been and still is appropriate by international law.

RobinA

(9,896 posts)
11. I Completely Agree
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:15 PM
Jun 2020

That was the legitimate symbol for this guy’s military affiliation at the time. If you don’t want an enemy soldier in you graveyard, send prisoners home alive.

Plus, they’re people. If my family hadn’t come here to escape Louis XIV that soldier might be my relative. We all might have been on different sides than we ended up on.

Wait, we brought German soldiers back to the states?

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
12. There were POW camps all over the USA.
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:23 PM
Jun 2020

Britain sent there’s to Canada. The goal is get them far enough from the lines so that they can’t be easily liberated or escape.

Ex Lurker

(3,816 posts)
13. Mostly from Rommel's Afrika Korps
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:27 PM
Jun 2020

Plus a few UBoat crews. There were thousands of them housed in camps all over the country. There's a story about some of them housed in the South. They were on a a work detail outsude the camp. At lunchtime they were allowed to eat at a local diner. The Black soldiers guarding them had to wait outside.

sarisataka

(18,792 posts)
14. Many German and Italian POWs
Fri Jun 12, 2020, 03:36 PM
Jun 2020

Were brought to the US.

They only needed to be lightly guarded as even if they escaped they could not return to combat

Many were given the opportunity to be farm laborers and receive pay for their work. This was popular especially in the midwest where a lot of farmers were first and second generation German immigrants. They shared a common language with the POWs.

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