About those historical Confederate monuments ...

[marble falls]

To all the morons who think Confederate memorials are about "history", then put them into museums and see how many racist rednecks will show up to see them.

The big dirty secret about all these out of historical context so called monuments is that biggest number of them were erected out of historical context between 1900 and 1920 when Jim Crow was being established. These are not monuments to a mere five five years of history they are sticks in the eye monuments to racism, reminders for black folks to know to stay in their place.

[dalton99a]

1. Five years of treason and barbarity.

[Spider Jerusalem]

2. Five (more like four and a half) years of treason; four centuries of barbarity (n/t)

[unblock]

3. actually just shy of 4 years: april 12, 1861 - april 9, 1865

[Sneederbunk]

4. The Civil War did not end on April 9.

[unblock]

6. Lee's surrender at Appomattox is generally viewed as the end of the civil war

It's certainly true that there was further military action after that point (as is often the case in many wars), so a case could be made for various other dates. Mississippi fought on until June. Officially, lee couldn't surrender on behalf of the armies of other confederate states, only Virginia.

But whatever chance the confederacy had of winning went to zero when lee surrendered.

[ashling]

11. I went to school in Miss and have family there

My wife is from there. Believe me when I tell you

THEY HAVE NOT STOPPED FIGHTING IT YET!

[unblock]

15. indeed, i have heard more than once the argument that the civil war has yet to end

and donnie certainly bolsters that argument on a daily basis....

[keithbvadu2]

5. Those are democrat statues that Trump is defending.

Those are democrat statues that Trump is defending.


How about putting up some republican statues?


Like a statue of Gen Sherman in Atlanta?

[KS Toronado]

8. Your post inspired a google search, lots of info on the www

The Georgia Historical Society is to unveil its latest monument today in a small ceremony on the grounds of the Carter Presidential Library, a quiet, tree-studded sanctuary that was the site of Union Gen. William T. Sherman’s departure from Atlanta along a nearby road.

Entire article is here, monument no statue...........Nov 2014

https://www.savannahnow.com/article/20141112/NEWS/311129736

[keithbvadu2]

18. "departure"

"departure"

Someone probably thought that one out to be meaningful.

[IronLionZion]

7. You can't erase history!

from people who have scrubbed nonwhite history from textbooks and cut funding for libraries and public schools.

For example, many white Americans didn't know about the Tulsa race massacre before HBO's Watchmen. Same with the Rosewood massacre in Florida and many other historical events that some would like to erase.

[modrepub]

17. But You Can Deep-Six It

From SE PA. There was a lynching within 10 miles of where I grew up; literally the next school district over from me. I don't recall this ever being discussed in any classroom I attended through 12th grade. I noticed a new PA History Marker when I was driving near my father's house and the word "Lynching" popped out as I was passing it at 45+ mph. Looked it up and found out the man's name was Zachariah Walker. The incident is more fully described at the link below. Not something to be proud of but this shows these incidents are not isolated to one area of this country.


Link: https://timeline.com/the-forgotten-lynching-of-zachariah-walker-was-one-of-our-most-shameful-and-it-was-in-the-north-678871b13f2d

[DallasNE]

9. Nearly All Of Those Statues Were Erected 40-50 Years

After the end of the Civil War, which would have put it right in the middle of Jim Crow. In other words they are a relic of Jim Crow and white supremacy segregation. They should have been removed in the 1960's - or never erected in the first place.

[Scruffy1]

10. It's really just as much about maintaining the oligarchy/aristocracy.

Lyndon Johnson said it best: To paraphrase "If you can make the lowest white man feel that he is better than some one else you can pick his pocket He will even give you money to keep screwing him. The whole modern movement in the South grew from not so good old John C.Calhoun, the main fomentor of the Civil War. With the help of economists like James Buchanan the Koch brothers relaunched attack on the US Constitution because they agreed with Calhoun that property rights should be beyond any control, including slave ownership. They actually believer that it is wrong to pay any taxes for something you don't like etc. This is why I refuse to use the word "conservative" to describe a radical assault on majority rule. They have managed to win by stacking the Supreme Court in the last 30 years of the twentieth century. I am not surprised that a lot of working class white people are taken in by their subterfuge. It's been going on for over a hundred and fifty years. Just like the strange bedfellows of the fundie "christians" and the atheist Koch brothers. They were both into making big money with no accounability. In the end racism is one of the sharpest tools in their tool box. It divides the working class, gives them someone else to blame for besides the rich for economic conditions and makes the guy that gets screwed every day a reason to feel like he has some power.

[Ford_Prefect]

19. Too Right!!!

[Major Nikon]

12. You won't see any statues of confederate generals who supported reconstruction after the war

Kinda funny how that works.

[ancianita]

13. K & R

[The Mouth]

14. And a number of them on the centennial

which just 'happened' to be when the Civil rights movement was in full swing.

Personally, we should keep *ALL* of them, even put the ones back up.
-put require they be holding a white flag, and bearing the plaque ""LOSER".

[radical noodle]

16. Best idea ever! n/t

[mopinko]

20. .

https://www.amazon.com/Lies-Across-America-Historic-Sites/dp/0684870673

[marble falls]

21. Just ordered it used from Amazon for $5.00 delivered. Thanks!

[mopinko]

22. lies my teacher told me- also great.

taught my homeschoolers history from that book.

[marble falls]

23. Read that seven years ago and gave it to my history teaching daughter.