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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe one basic fact that is blocking all efforts to defeat the Corona virus:
Donald Trump is mentally ill, morally deficient and totally incompetent to go out in public without a minder, let alone act as POTUS.
The nation knows this.
The world knows this.
Until he is removed from power, nothing will be done in this nation to contain the pandemic or develop a cure or treatment.
That's a fact.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,702 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,898 posts)that's unwarranted.
A lot of other countries understand what needs to be done and are doing it. Trump is not single-handedly running things everywhere, not even in all parts of this country.
Research is going forward in many places for a cure or treatment. He can't stop that. He might try to keep a cure or treatment from being used here, but that effort will last about twenty minutes.
leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)will only be disbursed through his wallet. He will endeavor to find a way to profit on it.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,898 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,844 posts)He and his spawn already have amassed a fortune from the Virus. And, the Trumps and RepubliCONs are each currently working towards corruptly making hundreds of millions, or even billions more off anything to do with the Virus......
That is why Trump hesitated doing anything for so long. To give all the RepubliCONs and his family a head start opportunity to position themselves into any area to make immense profits off the Covid Nightmare.
This is by far the most thoroughly corrupt political party in the history of our nation, which have absolutely ZERO respect for the Rule of Law or the U.S. Constitution..........
WASF
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)"Do you really want this man, who handed out PPE and vents like a king, like they were his own personal property, in charge of doling out vaccines? A vaccine that could save the life of your loved one? "
leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Then he fenced the loot and made a killing. Literally.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)In my gut this is a winning issue. I have sent it to Biden campaign multiple times, all I get back is "give more money." Wish we were back in the days when you could actually communicate. Here at DU, there was a window when emails, many of them, could make a difference since it was the only communications vehicle except for snail mail.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)about the fact that I don't know when I will see my children again. If they get engaged, will we be able to have a wedding? If they have children, will I ever hug my grandbabies?
And then, with great clarity, I realized that with President Hillary Clinton in office, we would have knocked this virus out at the very beginning. We would have led the world in fighting this battle. We would be like New Zealand today - celebrating the fact that they HAVE defeated this illness.
The disgusting creature squatting in OUR Oval Office is incapable of doing anything to make even a dent in the infection rate.
It really is worse than we imagined it would be in November of 2016.
SMDH
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,898 posts)such inroads, had Hillary Clinton been in office, I really doubt we'd be virus-free at this point.
New Zealand is an island nation. Which makes it vastly easier to control who is allowed in.
Notice how many other countries, even ones with good health care systems, have deaths per one million population a whole lot larger than we have, at least at this point. Lots of researcher are desperately looking for a cure or vaccine, and neither of those would have miraculously happened under a President Clinton.
This is a novel virus, meaning no one on the planet started out with any kind of immunity. And it still differentially sickens and kills older people and those with underlying health issues.
leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)We would not be virus free like New Zealand.
But we would be in a hell of a lot better shape than 2 million plus cases and well over 100,000 deaths.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)I will not give Donnie any slack on this.
With any competent person in charge tens of thousands of US Citizens would still be breathing.
Fuck Trump. Fuck Republicans. Fuck MAGA... and Fuck those who try to give them the slightest bit of cover for their murderous lack of response to this pandemic. They have failed utterly.
murielm99
(30,763 posts)He said I was exaggerating. I have seen him. He brought us a cat.
His sisters live in Toronto and California. We keep in touch. I wonder if I will see them again.
Will I see my brothers, or my mother?
I despise you trump, and all the rest of your repiggie enablers.
KT2000
(20,587 posts)has become a badge of honor for some. Now those people will never admit they were wrong.
Vinca
(50,304 posts)a mask. He spews happy talk, they lap it up. You can tell the Trump supporters where I live by their lack of precautions. Maybe they'll all get it and drop dead. Just don't breathe on the rest of us.
luv2fly
(2,475 posts)And they do breathe on us, at the store, in lines, at workplaces, all over. I can't find a grocery store near me that will require people to wear a mask. They all "suggest" it, and employees do, but they won't make customers. And yet, if I tried to go in there without my shirt, I'd be told to leave. How fucked up is this.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)with them. The fact that I am a big athletic guy likely helped their respect for my boundaries, but it has been refreshing non the less.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)The most basic fact is Human Nature. Unless it happens to us, we can deny it.
2naSalit
(86,780 posts)I had to go out today and fewer folks are wearing masks. Some smarmy kids walked by on the sidewalk while I was putting my mask on and they glared through the windows... I pointed at them and mock laughed. If nothing else, they saw I wasn't going to accept their bs.
brush
(53,869 posts)maybe even before and has yet to establish a nationwide testing and contact tracing structure. That and everyone mandated to wearing masks in public and indoor public facilities shouldn't been the first things done.
We could've shut the virus down like New Zealand, South Korea and other nations have without 113k deaths.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)He doesn't even care.
Just_Vote_Dem
(2,820 posts)Don't forget that one.
sarge43
(28,945 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)all having an open border policy.
iluvtennis
(19,872 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)that over 300,000 people in the USA will die from the virus before Biden is sworn in as President.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)world wide wally
(21,754 posts)But we'll forgive you
Ford_Prefect
(7,919 posts)The Senate GOP and many GOP House members are treating this as a PR opp rather than a crisis. They are complicit in the obstruction from opportunistic to simply contrarian motives.
Barr added fuel to the fire propping up Trump's claims of executive authority.
If they're not stealing tax money they're busy attacking functioning aspects of good government.
They DO NOT CARE how many die, how many suffer side effects of the disease or treatment, how many lives are altered through financial or employment impacts or personal tragedy.
I know where the pitchforks are, and the rope. I don't want that to be the answer but some days it sure feels like that may be the only path left to us.
G_j
(40,370 posts)dont like to use the word evil, but...
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I think that the world, especially the West, has relied on the USA to lead since the end of WWII, when because we were not wrecked by war, we were able to rebuild all of Western Europe. So, the West was initially stunned when our country became a basket case of stupidity under Trump.
I really believe France and Germany, in particular, see this as an opportunity to form a new western alliance that is less dependent on the USA. Germany is making quiet, but solid progress against covid19 and toward a vaccine or cure. China is making progress along the same lines. If people in the country are stupid enough to re-elect Trump, we are going to find ourselves permanently sidelined in a way that we will never regain influence.
I can see signs of that happening now. For example, in the last three years the European Space Agency has fundamentally eclipsed NASA on cutting edge Spaces and climate research. The ES often work with USA universities, taking the role that NASA used to have.
We are headed for a future where 30% of the USA is so backward that it is worthwhile simply to work around them to progress with foreigners that aren't as dense. What will happen if we don't get Trump out of office fast is that our best minds will become euro-centric, working with organizations in Europe instead of hoping for responsible funding from the federal government.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Conservative's WANT an ignorant population - they want poor schools. They hate science. They want just a chosen few of their own to have an education.
This has been going on since 1980. We need to keep showing how bankrupt Conservatism really is.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)We have to push them into the background and never let them out.
kimbutgar
(21,188 posts)And attacking that 75 year old man is unhinged and imbecilic.
That guy was our grandpa, uncle, neighbor, or friend.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)indeed!
mountain grammy
(26,650 posts)Lobo27
(753 posts)I'm not a conservative, I don't throw rocks and then hide my hands.
ancianita
(36,133 posts)New supply chains and labs are being used.
New rules for keeping 30% greater capacity than is usually needed.
Ways of dialing up and down the governance to meet both spikes and outbreaks.
There has been much more learned and shared than if this man kept trying to bumble out BS and orders.
A lot will be done to contain future pandemics, as well as to develop cures.
It's a matter of shifting our perspective about leadership. Americans, corps and science are stepping up to become a new connected leadership, thanks to ongoing public platform discourse and media paying attention to the best of those ideas. Particularly when we have to face new events the world has scant experience with and information to go on.
As Governor Cuomo has said: People do not just follow leaders. Leaders must also follow the People.
Even now, all is not bleak. And the future is one that WE will build, not just one new leader in the White House.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)samplegirl
(11,502 posts)very right. I said before this virus stays as long as trump is in!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)100% guilty of negligent homicide, IMHO.
He caused the loss of life of countless people, who had to die alone. Not counting the life long trauma of loved ones not being able to comfort them.
He did this in three ways:
1. Not acting soon enough, in an intelligent, scientific way.
2. Not wearing a mask himself and making his followers think it wasn't macho.
3. Discounting CDC guidelines like "blah, blah, blah" and probably promising favors to red state govs to open ASAP
Initech
(100,102 posts)Can you imagine a stadium full of people shouting and screaming in a closed recirculated air space? File this under "things that do not end well".
homegirl
(1,434 posts)opportunity to gauge the strength of his followers. An accurate head count will verify his support-up or down!
DSandra
(999 posts)And nonwhites. And its passive revenge on people that did not vote for him and have been against his presidency.
It sounds sick but Trump and his followers have hated the scrutiny that he has had from day one (what the fuck made him entitled to not recieve scrutiny like any other presidential candidate and office holder? Rich white male Republican privilege?)
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,857 posts)The self-absorbed idiot.
TeamPooka
(24,254 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)with a conscience and a spine.