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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:00 PM Jun 2020

Robert Draper: Mattis is still holding back - says Trump's behavior is far worse than rpts say



Robert Draper ✔@DraperRobert

Mattis is still holding back, though. He's privately told friends that Trump's behavior is far worse than the reports & that the republic is on shaky footing. He knows so much more than he's currently divulging.

6:48 PM - Jun 3, 2020


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Robert Draper: Mattis is still holding back - says Trump's behavior is far worse than rpts say (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Jun 2020 OP
Kick dalton99a Jun 2020 #1
If ever there was a time to be truthful, it is now. fleur-de-lisa Jun 2020 #2
No shit DENVERPOPS Jun 2020 #30
What is he waiting for? NT enough Jun 2020 #3
THIS. MontanaMama Jun 2020 #22
Time's running out, General C_U_L8R Jun 2020 #4
Again mercuryblues Jun 2020 #5
My guess is that he has discussed this with some of the active generals, and his contacts in the BComplex Jun 2020 #6
Let us hope the military loyalty to the Constitution holds. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #9
Mattis can hold the Marines back Coleman Jun 2020 #13
It seemed to me like maybe Esper had advance knowledge that Mattis had Mike 03 Jun 2020 #11
Good catch! obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #51
We are in as dire a situation as we've ever been in. CrispyQ Jun 2020 #7
This is how he wants to treat American Citizens genxlib Jun 2020 #8
If the Republic is on shaky ground Polly Hennessey Jun 2020 #10
This! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2020 #41
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2020 #54
Mattis does not appear to be alone Jarqui Jun 2020 #12
I'm sure he's been deposed regarding Trump. Baked Potato Jun 2020 #14
Mattis hasn't told us enough yet about Putin's puppet's actions to weaken US and help Russia wishstar Jun 2020 #15
x 1,000 OMGWTF Jun 2020 #16
Trump just admires Putin; wishes he had the same power. oldsoftie Jun 2020 #31
tRump does loves dictators. Envy bigly. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2020 #42
Really, he DOES!! Look how he acts around them! oldsoftie Jun 2020 #43
We need every former high-level agency head to come forward and tell what they know about Trump. Lonestarblue Jun 2020 #17
Outlaw Non-Disclosure Agreements DallasNE Jun 2020 #18
Where is it written that former Administration members have NDAs? oldsoftie Jun 2020 #32
The NDA Does Not Expire When You Leave Office DallasNE Jun 2020 #48
And, as your link shows, they are illegal and cannot be enforced obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #53
They do not have NDAs obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #52
Thats what I thought oldsoftie Jun 2020 #56
And who's doing anything about it? Firestorm49 Jun 2020 #19
And here I thought Mattis was rising to the moment matt819 Jun 2020 #20
I feel sure Mattis IS doing what he believes he can. Hortensis Jun 2020 #21
This Is Why Trump Is Holding Back Because Mattis Is Holding Back DanieRains Jun 2020 #23
Good point. Trump always punches back GusBob Jun 2020 #26
trump HAS punched back. Even claims to have given him the "Mad Dog" name oldsoftie Jun 2020 #33
Ok, wait: How could his behavior be far worse than reports? GusBob Jun 2020 #24
Every protester should scream "25th amendment" at the top of their lungs, over and over again. n/t SpankMe Jun 2020 #25
KICK orangecrush Jun 2020 #27
Some fucking patriot CanonRay Jun 2020 #28
Someone needs to call and pressure him to spill it obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #29
WHY is he holding back? nt tblue37 Jun 2020 #34
Is this his Susan Collins moment? KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #35
Yes. He's done just zentrum Jun 2020 #38
I don't doubt that for a moment... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #36
7 Days in May, General Mousetis. zentrum Jun 2020 #37
only words so far. Let's pay attention to actions not words. AlexSFCA Jun 2020 #39
Oh really?? Where is the documentation wnylib Jun 2020 #40
That's a tweet from Robert Draper's verified account Dennis Donovan Jun 2020 #44
So the account is verified as belonging to wnylib Jun 2020 #46
Not the kind of guy that would stake his rep on "gossip" Dennis Donovan Jun 2020 #47
Retweeted! Cha Jun 2020 #45
Then ... Mattias is STILL a Coward !! flying-skeleton Jun 2020 #49
+1 uponit7771 Jun 2020 #55
Tick tock. Mike Niendorff Jun 2020 #50

DENVERPOPS

(8,844 posts)
30. No shit
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jun 2020

We have seen with Mueller "holding back", the grief that descended on America.....

Mueller could have jumped in big time with both feet. He didn't.

I can only conclude that the didn't want to see the Entire Republican Party crash and burn, since he himself was a lifetime Republican. He did enough to rationalize to himself that he did something, but not near the amount dictated in performing the job he was tasked with completing......

If only he had secretly mailed a copy of his report to the Washington Post.......but he didn't, did he.....

WASF

mercuryblues

(14,537 posts)
5. Again
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jun 2020

this should have been said over 3 years ago, when something could have been done. Fuck him.

I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic


Mad dog cut and ran when the country needed him most.

BComplex

(8,059 posts)
6. My guess is that he has discussed this with some of the active generals, and his contacts in the
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jun 2020

alphabet agencies.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
9. Let us hope the military loyalty to the Constitution holds.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:17 PM
Jun 2020

And they don't swear allegiance to a new emperor.

Coleman

(854 posts)
13. Mattis can hold the Marines back
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jun 2020

But I don't know if the other services have a person that is so beloved that he could stop them. The army has had a few (MacArthur, Patton) but they are all dead. The navy is the same, but McRaven(?)

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
11. It seemed to me like maybe Esper had advance knowledge that Mattis had
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:31 PM
Jun 2020

something coming; thus, his race to "set the record straight." Same for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and also the statement released by the head of the National Guard.

CrispyQ

(36,492 posts)
7. We are in as dire a situation as we've ever been in.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jun 2020

This will be the ugliest and most chaotic election in our history. 2000 will pale in comparison. They have five months. Five months of the Con lying and distracting while Barr uses the DOJ to work against the People and McConnell stacks the courts with young right wing ideologues. I give our republic about a 20% chance of surviving Trump/Barr/McConnell. It's a bummer being a pessimist.

genxlib

(5,528 posts)
8. This is how he wants to treat American Citizens
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:15 PM
Jun 2020

You can only imagine the kind of vile shit he has asked about doing to other Countries.

I have no doubt he has asked military leaders about all manner of illegal and evil options in foreign Countries like Syria and Iran.

wishstar

(5,271 posts)
15. Mattis hasn't told us enough yet about Putin's puppet's actions to weaken US and help Russia
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 12:50 PM
Jun 2020

Considering how Trump has been dismantling all of our Democratic alliances while cozying up to the dictators, Mattis should come out now and throw some cold water on the Senate Repubs and Barr's attempts to discredit the Russia investigation.

Mattis of all people should surely be able to explain that Obama Admin was correct to be concerned and FBI had justification to investigate Trump & Co's relationships with Russia in light of the Trump Admin attempts to remove sanctions, weakeness our alliances and carry out Putin's objectives.

oldsoftie

(12,583 posts)
31. Trump just admires Putin; wishes he had the same power.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:08 PM
Jun 2020

Thats the hold Putin has. I really dont think theres any blackmail stuff. He's just jealous that HE cant quiet ANY dissent the way Putin does.

Lonestarblue

(10,038 posts)
17. We need every former high-level agency head to come forward and tell what they know about Trump.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:12 PM
Jun 2020

Mattis, Kelly, Coats—anyone who had direct contact with Trump and knows what an evil SOB he is. They owe it to the country and to voters. They all know that we cannot survive four more years of Trump. Now is not the time to stay silent.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
18. Outlaw Non-Disclosure Agreements
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:19 PM
Jun 2020

He can't speak out without breaking the law. These things should be banned. Transparency is not possible because of them. Same with dark money. Drain the swamp

oldsoftie

(12,583 posts)
32. Where is it written that former Administration members have NDAs?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jun 2020

I've only heard of that in private businesses

obamanut2012

(26,094 posts)
52. They do not have NDAs
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 05:49 AM
Jun 2020

IF they were made to sign one by Trump, it literally holds no water. Public officials cannot be made to sign NDAs, but if forced to, it literally holds no water. It is not a legal document.

There is no NDA to break.

Firestorm49

(4,036 posts)
19. And who's doing anything about it?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:21 PM
Jun 2020

Are we going to accept watching ourselves go down in flames? I personally believe, with no insider information, that Trump is much worse than we know. We have a lunatic in the Oval Office who has appointed opportunists like Barr to fulfill his wet dream of being more corrupt and wealthy than Putin. Everything that he has done has been a anti-American. Why can’t we invoke the 25th amendment before it’s too late?

This coming election is our future. We need every vote, every devious back door plan - just as our counterparts do every day, every scheme, every voter drive, every piece of advertising to get this dictator and his bunch of ass kissers out of office.

This is it folks. America is on the line. Let’s hope we can make it to November without a military take over Of our cities, or some such BS that the traitor Republican Party can conjure up.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
20. And here I thought Mattis was rising to the moment
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:22 PM
Jun 2020

His comments are appreciated, but if there is still information that he hasn't revealed, that's despicable.

If there's an R after anyone's name, you can pretty much count on the absence of honor, regardless of one's career and general regard. In fact, it calls into question actions over the course of one's career. I suspect a deep dive will not be pretty.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. I feel sure Mattis IS doing what he believes he can.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:23 PM
Jun 2020

And that his judgement on this is incredibly better and better informed than all ours put together.

Speaking out at the wrong time could actually be disastrous if it gave the enemy opportunity and target to attack. They're very good at burying the nation in lies so that even those who believe they're dangerous don't know what to think. They're constantly creating new citadels on top of revelations of evil deeds to launch further attacks from.

Anyway, let's not imagine that most Americans would change current behaviors and attitudes in any way if he revealed depth of knowledge and strategy by speaking to us. If Trump invaded San Francisco and declared it a possession of the federal government without voting rights, that would change attitudes. If they announced black people and liberals were a violent threat to the nation and started rounding leaders up to ship to concentration camps (not a completely unimaginable thought given the extremism of the white power attitudes influencing Trump), it would change behaviors. But not just more words about possible misuse of power.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
26. Good point. Trump always punches back
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:44 PM
Jun 2020

maybe Fox hasn't reported what Mattis said yet so Trump doesn't know?

oldsoftie

(12,583 posts)
33. trump HAS punched back. Even claims to have given him the "Mad Dog" name
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:15 PM
Jun 2020

He cant think fast enough to insult two in a row I'm sure more will come the more press Mattis gets

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
24. Ok, wait: How could his behavior be far worse than reports?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:32 PM
Jun 2020

That would be in the supreme danger zone in my mind

obamanut2012

(26,094 posts)
29. Someone needs to call and pressure him to spill it
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jun 2020

It is literally his duty -- he swore an oath.

In laymen's terms, he is a mandatory reporter.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
35. Is this his Susan Collins moment?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jun 2020

Reserved and concerned while we drift into being a fascist plutocracy?..........

wnylib

(21,557 posts)
40. Oh really?? Where is the documentation
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:48 PM
Jun 2020

that Mattis is holding back? This sounds like the kind of rumor-mongering that starts with, "The sister of a friend of my cousin dates a guy who used to know the brother-in-law of a friend of Mattis, and she says....."

Also sounds to me like somebody's deliberate attempt to discredit Mattis for speaking out. I am not buying .what looks like an attempt to stir up the waters by muddying them.

Please don't be so quick to accept everything you read or hear without verification.

wnylib

(21,557 posts)
46. So the account is verified as belonging to
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:51 PM
Jun 2020

a known journalist, but Draper mentions, in a gossipy tone, without verification, that he has heard that Mattis has told some people that the situation with Trump is much worse than reported.

I have respect for some journalists. Like Bob Woodward and Rachel Maddow, for example. But I don't think either of them would make a comment like that without further info on the source of their info to validate what they say.

I've no idea what your Skippy reference is. Care to explain?

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