Just saw this on another site. Comments?

[dhol82]

CNN just reported that George Floyd's autopsy results showed that strangulation was not the cause of his death, but an air choke, manual strangulation, is usually diagnosed by a M.E. because it more often than not results in a fractured hyoid bone; however, a blood choke is accomplished by the compression of the carotid arteries, which run up either side of the neck, so a blood choke doesn't break the hyoid, and that is how Chauvin murdered George Floyd. Chauvin even adjusts his knee to make sure it is on the carotid, and that is why he keeps pressure on his neck for two and a half minutes after George stops struggling--he was making sure he was dead by keeping blood flow to the brain restricted. It should be 1st not 3rd degree murder, because it was premeditated and deliberate, and Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing, for cops are taught basic jiujitsu. The carotid arteries are attacked in a technique that is called a "rear naked choke" to render someone unconscious, and all cops are familiar with the rear naked choke; it is also sometimes referred to as a "sleeper hold" by catch wrestlers.

[empedocles]

1. Thank you

[Hoyt]

2. I doubt policeman even knows what the carotid artery is, he was just enjoying

holding a handcuffed man down, particularly a Black man. Either way, I hope he ends up behind bars.

[Corgigal]

4. Policeman, in large agencies

are taught first responder medical procedures. They also all worked in the ME office to witness a autopsy. They all know where the carotid artery is, and what it does.

Makes it worst, much worst actually. They will pull his education folder.

[Hoyt]

6. Well, he did it wrong by using a knee. He murdered him sure as chit,

but not trying to pinch one carotid artery with a knee.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. They are also trained that neck restraint is dangerous. One officer on scene even says so; overruled

[Corgigal]

32. Yeah,

I thought choke holds were illegal now. Now, this new hold is suppose to be used ?

Been out of 911 for 15;years, I’m so behind.

[Voltaire2]

8. Perhaps, but MMA is big in cop culture.

So lots of them know how to choke people out, and how to do it without crushing the larynx.

[uponit7771]

37. +1

[scarletwoman]

3. K&R - that cop is an evil fuck. Murder One, dammit! (nt)

[Miigwech]

5. Maybe the officer would allow kneeling on his neck

for 9 mins. and explain how it ain't that bad a thing to do that ... proper policing procedures. PLEASE, Milwaukee PD, do a demo and lets watch the officer, with a knee on his neck, tell us it is OK to watch him being choked out for 9 mins. and murdered. Can't wait. What? The fucking officer would never allow such a test because it might kill him. This test is only for Black and Brown ... you pass if you are DEAD.

[live love laugh]

7. A knee on the back of the neck is not strangulation. nt

[Voltaire2]

10. The video clearly shows George Floyd with his

head turned sideways, with a knee pressed against the side of his neck. Blood chokes are lethal. Thanks for playing.

[RhodeIslandOne]

9. First we've got to get the ME to give it up about "heart disease"

I mean, really.....

[rocktivity]

12. The preliminary autopsy reports "no physical findings that support

a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation,” while the Hennepin County Attorney criminal complaint says that the "combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by police, his underlying health conditions...including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease...and any potential intoxicants in his system...”

So a healthy, sober, unrestrained man can survive having a knee pressing down on side of his neck for six minutes? That should be easy enough to prove!

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/29/george-floyd-died-police-restraint-combined-health/


rocktivity

[NutmegYankee]

25. Irrelevant.

Google "Eggshell Skull Doctrine".

[Cha]

11. The Murder by Cop of George Lloyd on live TV

or cell phone camera.. not sure which.

I haven't been able to watch.

TY dhol

[lunatica]

26. A Seventeen year old girl took the video

If she hadn’t had the guts to do that George Floyd would be just another dead Black man “resisting arrest”.

[Cha]

27. ❤TY, lunatica..

I was thinking it was probably something like that.

But for the bravery of the 17 year old girl.. Derek Chauvin would be free to do it again

As it is.. All Hell Righteously Broke Loose.

[lunatica]

29. I'm watching the coverage of many cities

There are hundreds of thousands of people out protesting all over the country. Much more than last night.

[Cha]

31. ❤warmng that so many People are Taking to the Streets!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13505838

[ProfessorGAC]

42. Wow! Geneva, IL

That city is about 92% white & 5% Latino. Roughly 2% Asian and less than 1% black.
So, that's a fairly affluent suburb (median household $105k) that's preponderantly white with a demonstration.
I did not expect that.

[bringthePaine]

14. Chauvin trying to "light the fuse" - time for a deep dive on his 'net history

[yaesu]

15. I agree and the other officers need to be charged with collusion. nt

[Blue_true]

43. Someone posted that one protested the knee on the neck and was overruled. nt

[yaesu]

44. this will come out in court. Protesting isn't enough when someone life is in danger

but the whole justice system needs to be overhauled.

[Blue_true]

45. Police forces are extremely hiearchical. A junior cop is low

on the totem pole relative to a 19 year cop.

[Demonaut]

16. and he felt the life ebb out of George, through his knee. it was premeditated

[Duppers]

33. I think so too.

[Joinfortmill]

17. Horrible.

Anyone who saw the video knew the were watching a murder. It's shocking. It was first degree murder and should include aggregating factors.

[demigoddess]

18. murder one in my opinion. Look on his face says it all.

[totodeinhere]

30. I don't think they can convict him based on a facial expression.

I think they would have a hard time proving premeditation beyond a reasonable doubt. And he will have a very good legal team behind him. With a high profile case like this lawyers will be fighting over getting to represent him.

[demigoddess]

46. Who said I was on the jury?

[dflprincess]

19. In Minnesota a Grand Jury has to return an indictment for 1st degree, the county attorney

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can't charge it.

I was surprised Freeman didn't ask for 2nd degree but going with a lesser charge to start with may be the smarter way to go. He can always up the charges later. Having to downgrade charges may indicate something was wrong with the case & been more upsetting to all.

[ancianita]

22. Cops are trained, and do know force holds; so yes, Chauvin knew exactly what he was doing.

First degree murder.

Wait until the protesters find this out. They'll be out until a trial ends, and no jury could help but know what the right decision is.

The only argument these cops have is that the whole country saw the video, which justifies a claim that they can't get a fair and impartial jury trial.

[lunatica]

28. Quite a few interviewed lawyers have said

that it is really hard to get a conviction on murder 1 because premeditation is so difficult to prove. That cops would have to have planned that murder beforehand.

Murder 2 does not entail premeditated planning, but the intent to kill happens in the moment like chasing someone down In a rage to kill them. Murder 3 is manslaughter, when a person kills another through their actions but there is no premeditated intent to murder. It’s much easier to prove.

It’s possible the cop planned the murder and just waited for the opportunity but proving that might be impossible.

[Duppers]

34. Any degree that gets him locked up 25yrs

He won't last that long inside. There will be a reckoning.

[frogmarch]

20. Thanks for your post! Even taking a carotid pulse

can be deadly. Many years ago when I was a nursing assistant at a VA hospital, I was taught to never take anyone's pulse at a carotid artery because doing so can stop the heart.

Chauvin knew he was killing George Floyd. The video proves it.

[Duppers]

35. Exactly! He KNEW it.

He kept his knee on George's throat after he went unconscious. He wanted to make sure he died.

[47of74]

21. I had my way after conviction he'd be stuck in general pop...

...he'd be hugely popular there.

[certainot]

23. black well known prosecutor says 3rd degree is best chance to ensure guilty jury

even tho it might be clear to us it has to get 12 votes on the jury and while that pic of chavin and the timing makes it clear with vid all it takes is one fucking dittohead on the jury

mike brown's killer's jury got months and months of jury tampering with limbaugh making excuses and calling him a thug from the start

when they pick these jurioes that have to ask jurists if they listen to talk radio

[Duppers]

36. ...

👍

[uponit7771]

38. +1

[keithbvadu2]

24. Kneeling on a suspect's throat for 15 or 30 seconds to calm down a struggling suspect can be underst

Kneeling on a suspect's throat for 15 or 30 seconds to calm down a struggling suspect can be understandable. 7 or 9 minutes is way beyond reason.

Then it has become deliberate.

[sheshe2]

39. Lest we forget...

He was already handcuffed and face down as well. He was no threat to them.

It was murder.

[keithbvadu2]

40. Yep! We agree.

[sheshe2]

41. Yep.