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"I will overide the governors" (Original Post) GreatCaesarsGhost May 2020 OP
Good luck with that, asshole. demmiblue May 2020 #1
And when asked how he would do that MurrayDelph May 2020 #28
He already abdicated Historic NY May 2020 #2
He can't. States' rights and all that. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #3
I believe he can. EndlessWire May 2020 #9
Emergency? Grifter preachers aren't getting enough contact with their marks? blm May 2020 #15
That doesn't override the Constitution. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #21
States' rights only apply to red states Retrograde May 2020 #31
He is trying to create upheaval rufus dog May 2020 #4
He Sees Religious People As A Voting Block And... global1 May 2020 #5
Well, if he opens up the churches... Salviati May 2020 #11
When Rome says "NO" to opening Churches, who's he gonna fight, the Pope? Don't think so. n/t monmouth4 May 2020 #13
Well, all the fundie whackadoo churches aren't going to listen to what the pope says. Salviati May 2020 #17
The fundies won't listen to the Pope, thank gawd but as you say, responsible Christians help others monmouth4 May 2020 #18
The only problem is that their bad behavior ruins things for the rest of us. Salviati May 2020 #29
From Holy Name Cathedral In Chicago - Their Plan For Re-0pening..... global1 May 2020 #27
Houston Catholic church closes after 5 leaders get COVID-19 BrightKnight May 2020 #33
... and he wants to kill them off. Oh, wait, the ones who go back are the ones who vote for him Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #23
Brilliant... SidDithers May 2020 #6
As Chump was making his pronouncement, Gov. Gina Raimondo Totally Tunsie May 2020 #7
NEXT: Trump orders governors to resume electric-chair executions dalton99a May 2020 #8
A bigish pile must have emergency landed on Death Count Donnie's offering plate? Brainfodder May 2020 #10
A president that can order all churches open could order all of them burned to the ground SoonerPride May 2020 #12
Separation of church and state keithbvadu2 May 2020 #22
Exactly! SoonerPride May 2020 #30
Just more red meat to the base. Liberal In Texas May 2020 #14
States arn't delivering enough dead people to the Altar of Trump. Elwood P Dowd May 2020 #16
They can read from the book of Covid lame54 May 2020 #19
not enough bdamomma May 2020 #20
Let the churches open up. avebury May 2020 #24
Sowing discord again dreamland May 2020 #25
Does Trump understand opening the churches will infect a large part of his base? dlk May 2020 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author BrightKnight May 2020 #32
I'm sure my church council won't be re-opening our church until they think it's safe struggle4progress May 2020 #34
A priest in SC just said that he would comply SCantiGOP May 2020 #35

MurrayDelph

(5,300 posts)
28. And when asked how he would do that
Fri May 22, 2020, 05:23 PM
May 2020

His latest spokes-Barbie, Kayleigh McInanity, said "We don't do hypotheticals."

EndlessWire

(6,562 posts)
9. I believe he can.
Fri May 22, 2020, 02:40 PM
May 2020

It would be part of his emergency powers. He already declared an emergency over the Trump Wall. When did that emergency go away? It did not. Still there.

But, if he wants, he can declare another emergency. There is no one to stop him.

blm

(113,083 posts)
15. Emergency? Grifter preachers aren't getting enough contact with their marks?
Fri May 22, 2020, 03:17 PM
May 2020

They can’t make a mortgage payment on their McMansion?

They can’t get their mistresses the boob jobs they promised?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,829 posts)
21. That doesn't override the Constitution.
Fri May 22, 2020, 03:49 PM
May 2020

Using a claim of emergency powers to promote religion is unlikely to survive a challenge under the First Amendment.

Retrograde

(10,152 posts)
31. States' rights only apply to red states
Fri May 22, 2020, 07:56 PM
May 2020

Dontcha know, when red states decide to allow open carry of automatic weapons and place insurmountable barriers on abortion providers, that's what states' rights are for. When blue states want to make voting easier or try to keep their residents alive, well - that's a matter for the feds to quash.

global1

(25,266 posts)
5. He Sees Religious People As A Voting Block And...
Fri May 22, 2020, 02:27 PM
May 2020

he's taking advantage of them to get their votes. All he's focused on is re-election. Doesn't care who gets hurt in the process.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
11. Well, if he opens up the churches...
Fri May 22, 2020, 03:11 PM
May 2020

... he's just cutting the throats of his own voting block.

Responsible churches, that care about the health of the community and their parishioners, will remain closed until health professionals advise otherwise.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
17. Well, all the fundie whackadoo churches aren't going to listen to what the pope says.
Fri May 22, 2020, 03:26 PM
May 2020

There are plenty of churches, run by charlatans and grifters who are champing at the bit to open their doors and start the collection plate going again.

Responsible churches are looking at what their parishioners can do to help others during the pandemic. Disreputable churches are the ones whinging about how they are affected by these public health responses.

monmouth4

(9,709 posts)
18. The fundies won't listen to the Pope, thank gawd but as you say, responsible Christians help others
Fri May 22, 2020, 03:30 PM
May 2020

in times like these.The charlatans and grifters are having a field day, let them be, their answers will come soon enough.

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
29. The only problem is that their bad behavior ruins things for the rest of us.
Fri May 22, 2020, 05:25 PM
May 2020

If they were the only ones to feel the consequences of their actions, then I'd be fine with just wishing a pox on their houses, literally. But their actions have an impact on the health professionals that will have to treat them, and the other people that they will inevitability infect.

We need to try to limit their bad behavior, for everyone's sake, but I refuse to have pity for fools who are suffering for the consequences of their bad decisions that they are fighting so hard to make in the face of all sane advice.

global1

(25,266 posts)
27. From Holy Name Cathedral In Chicago - Their Plan For Re-0pening.....
Fri May 22, 2020, 05:09 PM
May 2020

As many of you heard, Cardinal Cupich shared the exciting news with all of us on Wednesday evening that we may begin our first step in reopening the doors of the Cathedral. I know this is not going to bring us back to our pre-Stay-at-Home days, but it is a positive step in reopening.

We will begin implementing the guidance from the Archdiocese, starting with sacramental events like weddings, baptisms, and funerals – all limited to groups of 10 or less. We will also begin offering the sacrament of reconciliation. These sacraments are all considered to be Phase I.

Following this, in Phase IA, we will also begin opening the Cathedral for private prayer, limited to 10 people or less. Both parts of Phase I & IA will require new procedures to ensure the safety of all who come into the Cathedral. In anticipation of this, our Reopening Task Force has been working on pre-opening preparations, hopefully, to begin Phase I by the end of the month.

To finalize specific dates for these initial steps, we are required to be certified by the Archdiocese, including new training for staff and volunteer ministers. All of this will begin today. We will keep you updated on the timelines for the various parts of Phase I. Given the size of our Faith Community, we know this will be a challenge to stay limited to small groups, but we are committed to keeping you safe and fully informed on our plans and new procedures.

Thank you in advance for your patience and prayers as we work to bring us back together again.

BrightKnight

(3,567 posts)
33. Houston Catholic church closes after 5 leaders get COVID-19
Sat May 23, 2020, 10:56 AM
May 2020

HOUSTON — A Catholic church in Houston has closed its doors after five of its leaders tested positive for COVID-19, including two priests who had helped celebrate public masses which had resumed earlier this month.

The closure and positive tests come after a priest from Holy Ghost parish, 79-year-old Donnell Kirchner, died last week. He was diagnosed with pneumonia, but health officials are determining whether he might have contracted the virus before he died May 13.
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The Catholic Church has demonstrated responsible Christian leadership up until this. Corporate worship is more essential to them but I still have no idea what they were thinking. IDK, Sometimes Churches pander to the local political climate.

It has been a long time and I can understand the need to responsibly do the phase 1 things.


My Church is delivering the sacrament to people at home without contact and conducting the Eucharist via Zoom. It is not perfect but Jesus does not spread disease.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,033 posts)
23. ... and he wants to kill them off. Oh, wait, the ones who go back are the ones who vote for him
Fri May 22, 2020, 04:43 PM
May 2020

Other churches, more blue, are still going to be closed and so fewer of them will die.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
6. Brilliant...
Fri May 22, 2020, 02:32 PM
May 2020
https://www.axios.com/cdc-arkansas-church-coronavirus-outbreak-fb265e5a-5db7-4ace-9bc4-098e0d09e7fd.html

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6920e2.htm?s_cid=mm6920e2_w

CDC: Arkansas coronavirus outbreak linked to church services

35 of the 92 people (38%) who attended services at a rural Arkansas church March 6–11 tested positive for the coronavirus, ultimately killing three, according to a case study released Tuesday by the CDC.





Sid

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
7. As Chump was making his pronouncement, Gov. Gina Raimondo
Fri May 22, 2020, 02:37 PM
May 2020

of RI was in the midst of her daily TV briefing announcing that all houses of worship should not open until at least May 30. She's not about to be bullied or overridden by an incompetent president. Small, but mighty, she is!

dalton99a

(81,569 posts)
8. NEXT: Trump orders governors to resume electric-chair executions
Fri May 22, 2020, 02:40 PM
May 2020

Because state governors report to the president



Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
10. A bigish pile must have emergency landed on Death Count Donnie's offering plate?
Fri May 22, 2020, 02:51 PM
May 2020

Now, how much $ does he shill out for on this?

So that amount/how many more die due to this action = way too low a number?

Just another extremely bad one by the walking dick move, but consequences, that's paid by others?




SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
12. A president that can order all churches open could order all of them burned to the ground
Fri May 22, 2020, 03:14 PM
May 2020

I don’t think the right wing has thought this through

keithbvadu2

(36,886 posts)
22. Separation of church and state
Fri May 22, 2020, 04:33 PM
May 2020
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/americas-true-history-of-religious-tolerance-61312684/?no-ist=

Madison also made a point that any believer of any religion should understand: that the government sanction of a religion was, in essence, a threat to religion. "Who does not see," he wrote, "that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?" Madison was writing from his memory of Baptist ministers being arrested in his native Virginia.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
16. States arn't delivering enough dead people to the Altar of Trump.
Fri May 22, 2020, 03:18 PM
May 2020

Jam packed churches and sports stadiums are needed by his lardship ASAP.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
24. Let the churches open up.
Fri May 22, 2020, 04:48 PM
May 2020

It is called cleaning out the gene pool. Just avoid them at all cost.

If people are going to die from the virus let it be his supporters.

dlk

(11,575 posts)
26. Does Trump understand opening the churches will infect a large part of his base?
Fri May 22, 2020, 04:48 PM
May 2020

He really doesn’t think anything through.

Response to GreatCaesarsGhost (Original post)

struggle4progress

(118,332 posts)
34. I'm sure my church council won't be re-opening our church until they think it's safe
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:32 AM
May 2020

It's an older and educated congregation, with lots of retired doctors and nurses and public health folk

SCantiGOP

(13,873 posts)
35. A priest in SC just said that he would comply
Sat May 23, 2020, 11:52 AM
May 2020

with Trump’s order just as soon as he gets the memo from the Pope that Trump has been appointed Bishop of his diocese.

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