Counting this election, Democrats will have won the popular vote in 7 of the last 8 presidential...

[Yavin4]

elections.

Of course, Republican will say that the popular vote is meaningless, and that it's an electoral strategy, and if needed, they could pull more votes in states like TX...blah, blah, blah.

Don't buy that b.s. for a second. Nothing is stopping Repubican voters in red states for voting for president if they wanted to. In one of those elections, 2000, TX's "favorite son" Bush II was on the ballot. So why didn't they come out in droves to vote for him?

On a national scale, the will of the people favors the Democratic party and has consistently done so since 1992. The people understand the need for effective, well-run government, and they want an effective, competent leader of their government.

We're not as divided as the media portrays us to be.

[Hortensis]

1. And we're still the people who elected Obama twice by large margins.

Republicans can only win national elections by stealing them. Even their big electoral college advantage won't do it for them alone.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

2. Past due to get rid of the Electoral College. Small states already have Senatorial advantage. . nt

[Hortensis]

5. Yes! But effectively impossible. We can get rid of the

winner-take-all delegate allocation system I think 48 (?) states use in the GE. That'd make the process a lot more democratic right there and could be done by state legislatures. Independently, too, over time as their situations allowed.

Most observers seem to feel SCOTUS will rule in the case heard last week that states can require electors to cast their votes in accordance with state election laws/results, though from what I've read textualists and originalists should seemingly favor the constitutional instruction that electors are to vote. Whatever, in either case best if states require allocating electors proportional to the votes they receive from the electorate.

[dugog55]

3. I don't think there has been an "honest" election for President

since 1996. Every one since then has had some sort of GOP induced black cloud shrouded over them. The Supreme Court giving BushII the election in 2000, Karl Rove and hackable voting machines in 2004 and the same machines again in the two Obama elections. Then of course the Russian trolls in 2016, not mention a two decade campaign by the GOP for voter suppression and their supposed battle of voter fraud. Kemp in Georgia took it to extremes with his purging of the voter rolls. And the list goes on and on.

The one, most important brick of Democracy in fair, free and open voting, and we have not had it for years. This year looks to be even worse.

[bearsfootball516]

4. What about 2008?

Obama won INDIANA. That wasn’t a fair election?

[Polybius]

6. I think Republicans tried to get more votes in Indiana by messing with the computers

Perhaps they were practicing, but they did something wrong and it backfired, causing Obama to win despite all polls showing otherwise. In 2012 Romney won by 11. Indiana 2008 is very odd.

[Polybius]

7. 2008 and 2012 were pretty honest, for the most part at least

Obama won twice pretty handily, and the polling was very accurate.

[dugog55]

10. Do you really think with all the various ways of cheating

the GOP just sat by and watched a black man win the Presidential election? They still purged voter rolls, shut down polling sites in heavily Democratic areas, and really, can any voting machine that is connected to the internet be considered safe? Obama won both elections and I believe they would have been by a huge margin if things were run completely honestly and fair. They cheated, just not good enough. But they learned from their mistakes and made sure Trump won in 2016.

I can only imagine what this country would have been like now had Gore taken the 2000 election. Probably no 9/11, then no wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, probably no stock market crash. It was as much a possible life changing moment for this country as when JFK was assassinated. That was a huge turning point in this country too. It is funny how the turning points, three times now in 60 years always seem to favor the Conservatives. Three for three, almost seems a little fishy.

[genxlib]

8. The one that they won

Was the re-election of an incumbent who didn't actually win the popular vote.

You could make the argument that they would have lost that one as well if the incumbency wasn't conferred by the Electoral College.

Just imagine what the Supreme Court would look like if we had a passing resemblance to a real democracy.

[JCMach1]

9. Get rid of electoral college asap and add Senators for DC

Puerto Rico, VI, Guam and American Samoa.

Enough is enough.