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Celerity

(43,386 posts)
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:33 PM May 2020

The Atlantic - David Frum : Trump Has Lost the Plot

The president is talking about things most Americans can’t comprehend, let alone care about.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/trump-has-lost-plot/611548/



A couple of years ago, BuzzFeed asked a former White House official to explain the logic behind some bizarre Trump action. The official responded with one of the master quotes of the Trump era. President Trump, the official said, is not playing “the sort of three-dimensional chess people ascribe to decisions like this. More often than not he’s just eating the pieces.” Over Mother’s Day and then through Monday—and who knows, perhaps continuing today—Trump has fired off hundreds of rounds of weapons-grade lunacy on Twitter. When Trump does this kind of thing, many are ready with an explanation: He’s rallying his base; he’s distracting his critics; he’s challenging the existence of reality itself.

But these explanations miss the point. Trump horribly and uniquely bungled the coronavirus crisis. The human result is mass death and Great Depression–scale unemployment. The political result is that while leaders in Britain and almost everywhere else in the democratic world have been boosted by a surge in public support and approval, Trump has not. The governors who have clashed with Trump have seen their poll numbers rise; New York Governor Andrew Cuomo may now be the most popular politician in the country. Governors who support Trump, like Florida’s Ron DeSantis and Georgia’s Brian Kemp, have seen their numbers tumble.

Trump trails Joe Biden in national polls by at least five points, as he has done all year. Trump is even lagging behind in swing-state polls. He is down by three points in Florida, five in North Carolina, and seven in Pennsylvania and Michigan. An internal Republican National Committee poll of the 16 least-decided states shows Trump behind in virtually all of them—so much so that he seems likely to drag the Republican Senate majority down with him, The Washington Post reported.

Trump’s psychology is defined by his terror of rejection. The most stinging insult in his vast vocabulary of disdain is loser. And yet every poll, every powerful Biden TV ad, forces Trump to contemplate that he is headed toward a historic humiliation. He’ll stand with Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover, the incumbents rejected because they failed to manage economic crises. Trump failed to prevent the crisis. Out of envy and spite, he dismantled the pandemic-warning apparatus his predecessors had bequeathed him. Trump failed to manage the crisis. At every turn, he gave priority to the short-term management of the stock market instead. Trump failed to message the crisis. He not only lacks empathy; he despises empathy.

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The Atlantic - David Frum : Trump Has Lost the Plot (Original Post) Celerity May 2020 OP
One must have before one can lose. JenniferJuniper May 2020 #1
I'm not sure I'd lump Jimmy Carter in with Herbert Hoover. Hugin May 2020 #2
Frum is a wonderful ally right now. I embrace that. BUT, BadgerMom May 2020 #20
I agree! yardwork May 2020 #26
The conclusion is perfect: hatrack May 2020 #3
The only job loser45 can do is to cheat at golf. n/t Lock him up. May 2020 #28
Ex-Bush adviser comparing Trump to Jimmy Carter? Gimme a break. Midnight Writer May 2020 #4
He'll never link bu$h 1 and hoover together of course... n/t Lock him up. May 2020 #29
trump even got rid of the onsite specialist(s) on the ground in China, and then try to blame... SWBTATTReg May 2020 #5
Yep. In a nutshell.... Sogo May 2020 #25
You forgot one: Tweeting absolute trolling material 99% covfefe... n/t Lock him up. May 2020 #30
"Trump failed to message the crisis. He not only lacks empathy; he despises empathy." Stuart G May 2020 #6
Those pictures of him make me want to vomit! kimbutgar May 2020 #7
Every time I see his face colorado_ufo May 2020 #9
Agreed kimbutgar May 2020 #34
That idiot has no business in the same sentence with Jimmy Carter. Tipperary May 2020 #8
I agree but stupid ass Trump doesn't know who Hoover was, of that I am sure. Pepsidog May 2020 #16
Isn't that a vacuum cleaner? leftieNanner May 2020 #21
K&R spanone May 2020 #10
Man, that's brutal. Read the whole thing.... Hekate May 2020 #11
"Eating the pieces" BadgerMom May 2020 #22
Carter didn't cause an economic crisis. GWB, like tRump, gave billions to the wealthy flibbitygiblets May 2020 #12
He forgot one-term bu$h 1 had a recession too... Lock him up. May 2020 #32
First pic: He has the creepiest smile I've ever seen. chia May 2020 #13
Dear DUers: Frum is not saying Jimmy Carter was the same as Hoover.... Hekate May 2020 #14
Carter lost because of the Iranian Hostage situation. lunatica May 2020 #19
Among other things, yes indeed. I have not forgotten any of that, truly. Hekate May 2020 #23
I know you haven't forgotten lunatica May 2020 #24
There he is.. Nasty Assface. I wonder who has Lost the plot Cha May 2020 #15
David Frum is one of those people who sometimes lunatica May 2020 #17
Nope, he's not that deep. He's a garden variety psychopath. littlemissmartypants May 2020 #18
Actually, I read that as Frum's point. yardwork May 2020 #27
LOSER! BlueJac May 2020 #31
Not just "short term management of the economy", but short term political campaigning for the 2020 Nitram May 2020 #33
I put NOTHING past him for the election, nothing. He will try and pull every single illegal trick. Celerity May 2020 #35
You can bet on it. The Publicans game the system every way they can. Nitram May 2020 #37
trump's money-lending daddy conditioned him to hate "Loser" -- USE IT Hermit-The-Prog May 2020 #36
K&R demmiblue May 2020 #38
K&R. Outstanding, decisive article. (nt) Paladin May 2020 #39

Hugin

(33,148 posts)
2. I'm not sure I'd lump Jimmy Carter in with Herbert Hoover.
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:46 PM
May 2020

and no mention of GHWB? What about that one termer who lost because people read his lips?

On edit: I'd particularly not lump President Carter in with the Liposuction Clinic Dumpster Fire.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
20. Frum is a wonderful ally right now. I embrace that. BUT,
Tue May 12, 2020, 04:19 PM
May 2020

he’s a neocon. That’s the lens through which he sees the past and probably the hopefully less chaotic future.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
3. The conclusion is perfect:
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:56 PM
May 2020

Trump is all about Trump. That’s always been true. For three years, though, Trump was protected from himself by the prosperity he inherited from others. Trump has squandered that prosperity, as he previously squandered the fortune bequeathed by his father. The consequences are here. The fairy tales Trump tells on Twitter will not conceal those consequences from the voters Trump needs.

They weren’t listening before. Now they are. And what they hear is not: Obama was mean to me. What they hear is: I cannot do this job.

SWBTATTReg

(22,129 posts)
5. trump even got rid of the onsite specialist(s) on the ground in China, and then try to blame...
Tue May 12, 2020, 03:07 PM
May 2020

China for the mess. Warnings were coming in from many different directions and the idiot was out having rallies and playing golf instead of being on the job instead.

rump and ALL of his cronies have mismanaged everything...

Sogo

(4,986 posts)
25. Yep. In a nutshell....
Tue May 12, 2020, 04:35 PM
May 2020

"Warnings were coming in from many different directions and the idiot was out having rallies and playing golf instead of being on the job..."

Stuart G

(38,427 posts)
6. "Trump failed to message the crisis. He not only lacks empathy; he despises empathy."
Tue May 12, 2020, 03:13 PM
May 2020

Above 2 sentences say everything.
.Last 3 words completely describe Donald Trump...... "he despises empathy."

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
11. Man, that's brutal. Read the whole thing....
Tue May 12, 2020, 03:36 PM
May 2020

"He's not playing three-dimensional chess. He's eating the pieces."
And
"They (Repub voters) are not hearing: 'Obama was mean to me,' they're hearing: 'I can't do this job.' "

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
12. Carter didn't cause an economic crisis. GWB, like tRump, gave billions to the wealthy
Tue May 12, 2020, 03:50 PM
May 2020

right before an economic crash.
GWB, like trump, was arrogant and hopelessly incompetent.
GWB and tRump (and their party) swaggered onto the political scene, dismissing and denigrating the work and record of those who came before them. And then had no goddamn clue what to do when disaster struck.

So they did what they always do, they gave more money to the wealthy and patted themselves on the back for a job "well done".

Point being, the Carter comparison coming from David Frum, is myopic and self-serving.

Lock him up.

(6,929 posts)
32. He forgot one-term bu$h 1 had a recession too...
Tue May 12, 2020, 05:14 PM
May 2020

Is this guy Canadian then American (or both?).
The rest is quite accurate.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
14. Dear DUers: Frum is not saying Jimmy Carter was the same as Hoover....
Tue May 12, 2020, 04:00 PM
May 2020

...or, God forbid, Trump. Frum analyzes what he sees.

You do know Jimmy Carter lost bigly, right? Frum -- in context of pointing out how badly Trump has bungled both the economy and the health crisis -- says Hoover and Carter both lost because they could not handle their respective economic crises.

I love Jimmy Carter. He is the best former president ever. But guys, there were multiple reasons he lost, and lost badly. Don't blame Frum for noticing -- it's his job, regardless of party.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
19. Carter lost because of the Iranian Hostage situation.
Tue May 12, 2020, 04:16 PM
May 2020

And Reagan rode in wrapped in the American flag of military might. Americans love kicking ass.

Cha

(297,253 posts)
15. There he is.. Nasty Assface. I wonder who has Lost the plot
Tue May 12, 2020, 04:03 PM
May 2020

for him.. Stephen Miller? Or is trump spewing out all his own

Mahalo for this from Frum, Well Done!,

BeSafe, Celerity!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
17. David Frum is one of those people who sometimes
Tue May 12, 2020, 04:11 PM
May 2020

sound sane and reasonable, but then inevitably trips over his own dick. His remark about Carter shows profound ignorant bias. All semblance of balance vanishes.

littlemissmartypants

(22,667 posts)
18. Nope, he's not that deep. He's a garden variety psychopath.
Tue May 12, 2020, 04:15 PM
May 2020

I'm annoyed by the attempts by the author to somehow elevate him to a ridiculous, phony, low level loftiness. His words are wasted on this crap president. The entire piece, full of form but void of content could be distilled down to four words, "Trump is a loser."

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
27. Actually, I read that as Frum's point.
Tue May 12, 2020, 04:43 PM
May 2020

He says Trump isn't playing multi-dimensional chess. He's eating the pieces.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
33. Not just "short term management of the economy", but short term political campaigning for the 2020
Tue May 12, 2020, 05:46 PM
May 2020

election.

Celerity

(43,386 posts)
35. I put NOTHING past him for the election, nothing. He will try and pull every single illegal trick.
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:59 AM
May 2020

McTurtle and Barr will have his back.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,347 posts)
36. trump's money-lending daddy conditioned him to hate "Loser" -- USE IT
Wed May 13, 2020, 03:54 AM
May 2020

Loser Donnie Bodybags can't handle ridicule. That's been obvious since the 2016 campaign. He telegraphs it daily.

If you make him lose his shit over it, there'll be nothing left but a tuft of fake hair on a pile of fake orange hide.

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