Please tell me my fears are irrational

[hamsterjill]

We’re all stressed to the max right now, right? Tired, angry, irritated and frightened.

But I’m actually having fears that Trump is going to succeed in having Obama and Hillary arrested and charged with something. Yes, that’s completely absurd. And it would be unfathomable under NORMAL circumstances. But these times we are living are not normal times.

All of the cabal, New World Order conspiracy theorists are calling for Obama and his administration to be investigated. Video and audio is being manipulated and shared on social
media furthering the cause. And IDIOTS ARE BELIEVING IT and falling in line.

When I see the armed terrorists in the Michigan State Capitol threatening the rule of law, I truly wonder what the rest of us are going to have to do to fight against the craziness.

Yes, we stay sane. We use science and facts. But in the end, if there are more of them than us, if they are willing to kill us and we are not willing to kill them, if they yell louder than we do and spread their lies effectively - please tell me how we survive.

We’ve got to face reality and this shit needs to be dealt with before complete crazy takes over. I’ve waiting years now for Trump to be exposed. Every time I think “that’s it, the final straw”...nothing happens to him.

Will we, can we, stand up against this shit and make it stop?

[Bettie]

1. I would put nothing past them.

Honestly, Barr will probably do whatever he is asked to do.

[hamsterjill]

13. Barr was put in that position because Trump knows he will do what he's told.

As you state, Barr will do whatever Trump instructs. They aren’t even trying to hide it any more.

[brooklynite]

2. Yes, your fears are irrational...

In his 3 1/2 years, Trump has talked tough and never actually gone through with any of his threats.

[GriffenRamsey]

5. I agree, but...

He has other people to carry out his threats. Look at Barr. Look at the armed yutzes.

[brooklynite]

12. Okay, which of Trump's enemies has Barr indicted?

[GriffenRamsey]

14. He just let Flynn off.

I think he has made his pliability clear. Also, Barr's investigations are the foundation of such an indictment.

I hope you are right of course.

[hamsterjill]

18. The armed yutzes are who scare me.

Like Michael Cohen explained, they “know” what Trump is telling them without Trump actually saying the words.

As far as Trump indicting his enemies, that hasn’t happened yet. But he will be emboldened by getting Flynn off the hook, and I would not be surprised at what he (Trump) tries next.

[dawg day]

6. Andrew McCabe would be in jail now --

A grand jury refused to indict him, but Trump and Barr sure tried to put him in jail.

[EndlessWire]

26. OMG

What do you think the meaning of the Ukraine scandal is? He did that!

[stillcool]

3. I hope your fears are irrational..

because mine are the same. We are lawless, and powerless.

[Nature Man]

4. Second such post like this that I've read

hmmmm?

[mr_lebowski]

7. Maybe because a lot of people are pretty damn worried?

Over the years I've seen 100's of posts like this ... I rarely assume they are dishonest, esp. not when coming from members w/a ton of posts.

[Nature Man]

15. Never a good idea to promote or worry about right wing conspiracy theories

I'd worry about this as much as I'd worry about chemtrails, george soros pizzerias, 5G, Bill Gates enslaving us with vaccines, Hillary's emails, or any other such nonsense. And that's all it is: NONSENSE.

[hamsterjill]

10. What does that mean?

n/t

[Nature Man]

16. see above

[hamsterjill]

19. So I posted something like someone else had posted

And that makes me suspect or something? I’m not understanding your point.

[hamsterjill]

21. I'm not suggesting otherwise.

My post clearly explains that. I’m merely saying that I see it gaining traction on social media and that concerns me.

We no longer have the luxury of not paying attention to this crap. We know it’s not true but the crazies don’t. If a crazy picks up a gun and shoots someone, the crazy isn’t going to be enlightened with facts, etc.

This needs to be discussed in my opinion - not be hidden under the rug. I note your disagreement, and hope you are correct in that we have nothing to worry about.

[abqtommy]

8. I don't think your fears are irrational. I don't put anything out of play for these ratfucking

reTHUGS. However, I think a better focus for our energy is to push back and go on the attack and
make THEM worry about just what WE are gonna do... Remember, WE are the majority and we can kick their collective asses to hell and leave them there... It's all looking at perspective and so I sleep
well at night.

[hamsterjill]

11. I agree totally.

But I don’t see that happening right now. I’m not sure how we start doing that, but we need to start fighting back somehow.

[maxsolomon]

9. If he's re-elected, yes, your fears are rational. Barr has no scruples and will conduct Show Trials.

Till then, Trump can and will make this a centerpiece of his campaign, and drag Biden into the Conspiracy as well.

Nothing can make that stop; the entire RW Propaganda Apparatus is already driving that narrative, with they hyperbole turned up to 11.

[Midnight Writer]

22. Exactly. If he wins another four year term, nothing is out of bounds. He will be totally unshackled.

[Solomon]

35. Yep. They will go after them. They always need all of

the distractions they can get.

[world wide wally]

17. Trump may very well try to do this, because he is a desperate cornered rat, but

I am not so sure it will be easy to get a former President arrested.

[EndlessWire]

25. But, don't you see?

He is clearly setting up a scenario where he can declare Obama a traitor. If he orders him to be arrested, he will be arrested. This is what he is starting to set up right now.

He has had Barr exonerate Flynn. Flynn was supposed to be in jail for lying to Pence, but Pence has now said he did not. Don't you think that this is all highly peculiar?

The rule of law we HAD is gone, buddy. You can't rely on it. What we think we should get is not what we will get if Trump is reelected.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Obama family casually move to some other country. Honestly, I'd rather see them go than to see Obama arrested for some charge that is phony.

[ArizonaLib]

32. Exactly

Anyone doubting, should read about how any democracy turned into a dictatorship. They can pick any one. They all have fundamental similarities. Once it is done - it is over. It doesn't go back if it goes back at all until after massive bloodshed and death.

[hamsterjill]

36. Yes! This!

And right now, things are headed in that direction. Trump is getting away with things he should not be getting away with.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

23. Your fears are irrational

Most fear is irrational to begin with. You are wasting your time worrying about something that is not likely to happen. If it did happen, you are not empowered to do anything about it. Just vote when the time comes and take care of yourself.

[ArizonaLib]

31. How about concern for likely threats?

He is likely going to try and pull whatever crap he thinks he can get away with.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

33. The poster wanted to be told their fear was irrational.

Worrying over something that might never come to pass is irrational. Put your energy into doing what you can to make things better. Either forget about or do something about it. Ruminating just makes you miserable and does nothing to solve any problem.

[ArizonaLib]

37. It is nothing to blow off

'Irrational' refers to groundless, baseless, unfounded, illogical, etc. Trump regularly acts irrationally, and is a position to negatively affect the entire country in ways that have long lasting consequences. His irrationality has become routine.

[EndlessWire]

24. You are NOT irrational.

You are doing what you should be doing, exercising your brain cells. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

We all speculated what would happen after he was let off by the Senate. He had a head rush right after that and started acting tough. He actually did that.

You can see him evolving. He has been putting in place those traitors that will do anything they are told. Barr is one of them. Trump is still putting his regime together, but he has a vast number of toadies in place. He knows that he can damn well do what he wants, which is to ignore the rule of law.

He thinks himself more a king or dictator than a pRes. Ask yourself: what pRes would ever have acted like this, bullying the states and stealing their supplies, ursurping the education and expertise of MDs while urging people to take worthless cures, and suggesting that maybe a swig of Lysol would work. Who would do that?? Trump would.

You have a brain, ears, and eyes to see with. You make your own judgment. Think about these two facts:

Something is truly wrong with Trump, and IMO Trump is not capable of changing his tone or optics under any circumstances.

And, he is besties with dictators. He consults them, admires them, studies them, and wants to act like them. His demeanor is the same. He is a scowling, angry, hateful person with no intellectual capability, and he has complete power over us. No wonder we all have guilty thoughts.

OP, we need a Plan A, B, C, or even D. We can't watch him get elected on Nov. 3rd and say, "Now what?" We have to have a plan. This is going to be ugly.

It's okay for people to have the opinion that you are silly and shouldn't be devoting yourself to thinking and wondering. But, don't you be the one unprepared and aimlessly submitting to an obvious calamity. Don't be the one watching the water recede while everyone else is running to higher ground.

It is absolutely shocking what the GOP has enabled to happen to us. I'm not saying for you to tremble in your boots with fear. Stay calm, plan to vote, and help your neighbors.

But, those who will be most in need are those that are unprepared and don't know what to do, or what is happening. If it turns out that you don't need to do anything but vote Blue, then, good for us! We will have learned something.

But, I don't think that Trump will go quietly. I just don't. I don't think that mentally he can, and he has his spawn in there with people like McConnell backing him, and most important, we as citizens just sit around watching our country slip away, and we cry over it, but do nothing to save it.

So, I don't want you to go to bed thinking that you are being needlessly watchful, or silly, or whatever else was said upthread. You are a solid citizen, you have seen what Trump has done to tear apart our institutions and country, you have lived it, and you are allowed to have an opinion on this.

We are going to vote Blue, and then take it one step at a time.

#ImpeachmentNo.2

[hamsterjill]

27. Thank you. I know I'm one of the reasonable ones.

I appreciate your response, and I agree with you. I’m sane and I’m okay investigating my fears. My real fear is that we might not get to November.

For some of the responses here, I feel I must not have been clear enough in my OP. You obviously understood.

We do need a plan! We need to be doing something. As I said, facts are being manipulated to play into Trump’s narrative and people - A LOT OF THEM - are buying into it. They are either too stupid to see facts or else they simply hate the Left so much that they will be okay with lies being flaunted as fact. We are not doing enough to dispel the narrative. We didn’t in 2016 and we aren’t doing enough now. These are realistic concerns or else Hitler never would have made it to power.

As I said also in the OP, I keep waiting for something, someone, anyone to bring Trump into check and I have yet to see that happen. He’s getting away with whatever he wants right now because of the Republicans in Congress. He’s also desperate now because he knows what waits for him if he loses in November and I would not put anything past his vileness.

Thanks for understanding.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

28. I'm not afraid he'll arrest and charge Barack and Hillary, but ...

... I'm VERY afraid he might win in November.

If Biden wins, Barack and Hillary can clear out of their cells. Make room for Barr and Ivanka.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. The *degree* of your fears on this specific issue are irrational but you are not irrational. . . nt

[LuckyCharms]

30. Your fears are not irrational in the least.

I would be laughed off this site if I posted where I truly believe this country is headed.

You can count on something bad happening if a wild animal is cornered.

[hamsterjill]

34. Amen

And the orange turd is cornered.

[hadEnuf]

38. If the crazy really starts taking over then we should really be ready to defend ourselves.

We are Americans and we have the right to do so, if not the duty to do so. I think that part is a given.

As far as Obama and/or Hillary being arrested, I think something like that would be the last straw for most of the country. That would amount to nothing more than a totalitarian dictatorship eliminating the political competition in order to seize and hold on to total power. Besides the Trump nutcases, that is just not going to fly. Trump and the RWNJ's would create more resistance with an act like that than they could possibly imagine and it would basically leave removal or resignation as the only option for Trump.

[live love laugh]

39. It's anything but completely absurd...nothing can be counted out with the current administration.

McConnell saying Obama should’ve kept his mouth shut is a huge clue of some nefarious intentions IMHO.

[hamsterjill]

40. Plus Manafort getting out

That’s another clue IMHO.

Thanks for the response!