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The Judiciary are going to deliver a big time blow to this despicable monster (Original Post) malaise May 2020 OP
from your lips ..... demtenjeep May 2020 #1
Hopefully both SCOTUS and Judge Sullivan! leftieNanner May 2020 #2
When do you think we will hear from Judge Sullivan??? a kennedy May 2020 #21
If they don't CanonRay May 2020 #3
I hope so, because what I'm seeing Bettie May 2020 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2020 #33
Luckily all Roberts has to do is go with judicial precedent from previous cases... cbdo2007 May 2020 #5
This is my hope. onecaliberal May 2020 #6
Yep malaise May 2020 #7
I love safeinOhio May 2020 #13
Petard, meet Hoist. OMGWTF May 2020 #40
Roberts isn't sounding like that. BComplex May 2020 #12
will they drop a nuclear weapon or can they push it into a black hole? mopinko May 2020 #8
I don't want to count any chickens... Squinch May 2020 #9
What info makes you think this? Nt USALiberal May 2020 #10
Listening to the oral arguments. kairos12 May 2020 #11
Breyer didn't dissent in Clinton v. Jones. onenote May 2020 #22
Thanks for the correction. kairos12 May 2020 #24
SCOTUS seems more concerned with PR than The Law these days. sop May 2020 #14
Perhaps, but... JHB May 2020 #15
So let it be written ornotna May 2020 #16
I sure hope you are right. panader0 May 2020 #17
I'm with the experts who suggested that a split decision is likely malaise May 2020 #29
That would be interesting Proud Liberal Dem May 2020 #34
I hope you are right. Jamastiene May 2020 #18
Blind faith. OneBro May 2020 #19
Regardless, they have been party over country 99% of the time since Gore v. Bush dalton99a May 2020 #20
Let's hope so but... Catherine Vincent May 2020 #23
Bingo CV DENVERPOPS May 2020 #26
I agree Auggie May 2020 #31
yes, sadly I agree as well. Tumbulu May 2020 #39
I like your optimism. SunSeeker May 2020 #25
his buddies will come through for him, the court is rigged. nt yaesu May 2020 #27
The conservative justices face a dilemma dlk May 2020 #28
It's worse than that malaise May 2020 #32
Yes, that is, no doubt, in the back of their minds dlk May 2020 #37
The President's Fee-Fees *shouldn't* be any sort of consideration Proud Liberal Dem May 2020 #36
It's the rage attack following the hurt "fee fees" that's the problem dlk May 2020 #38
Let's face it. The truth is so evil they can't tell us what it is. bucolic_frolic May 2020 #30
don't depend on this slimy SCOTUS zak247 May 2020 #35
Wanna' bet? Grins May 2020 #41
God willing with his/her thumb on the scale for truth benld74 May 2020 #42

Response to Bettie (Reply #4)

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
5. Luckily all Roberts has to do is go with judicial precedent from previous cases...
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:59 AM
May 2020

so he doesn't really have to make a decision. I think that's our best bet.

malaise

(269,004 posts)
7. Yep
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:02 PM
May 2020

Clinton v Jones was the biggest mistake of ReTHUGs lives.
They fucked themselves big time back then.

BComplex

(8,053 posts)
12. Roberts isn't sounding like that.
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:06 PM
May 2020

He's cutting off trump's lawyers when they do badly, and let them go on & on when they are hitting hard.

mopinko

(70,109 posts)
8. will they drop a nuclear weapon or can they push it into a black hole?
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:02 PM
May 2020

rooting for the black hole plan myself.

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
11. Listening to the oral arguments.
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:05 PM
May 2020

Kavanaugh is looking for a way to let Trump off. He is quoting Breyer's dissent in the Clinton-Jones case.

What a joke.

onenote

(42,703 posts)
22. Breyer didn't dissent in Clinton v. Jones.
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:34 PM
May 2020

He wrote a concurring opinion that distinguished between criminal cases and civil cases and concluded that "I agree with the majority that there is no automatic temporary immunity and that the President should have to provide the District Court with a reasoned explanation of why the immunity is needed."

sop

(10,187 posts)
14. SCOTUS seems more concerned with PR than The Law these days.
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:07 PM
May 2020

I hope they vote 5-4 to release Trump's financials, but it'll probably go the other way...to avoid bad publicity for Republicans.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
15. Perhaps, but...
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:11 PM
May 2020

...conservative partisans have never been shy about making power plays whenever the opportunity presents itself.

It ain't over 'till it's over.

malaise

(269,004 posts)
29. I'm with the experts who suggested that a split decision is likely
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:25 PM
May 2020

New York wins but Congress loses. I hope both win but right now I'll take any win.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
34. That would be interesting
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:38 PM
May 2020

Why would NY have a greater claim to be able to investigate the President than Congress?

dalton99a

(81,510 posts)
20. Regardless, they have been party over country 99% of the time since Gore v. Bush
Tue May 12, 2020, 12:29 PM
May 2020

and they will remain so until Democrats expand the court (or make a credible threat)


DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
26. Bingo CV
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:20 PM
May 2020

They haven't worked on this for forty years to lose when they are this close.

Get ready for things that TRULY, no one could have ever imagined. As if we haven't seen enough already......

dlk

(11,566 posts)
28. The conservative justices face a dilemma
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:25 PM
May 2020

If they decide in favor of Trump and the hypotheticals argument, they further erode their tattered legacy and truly look to be even more partisan hacks. If they decide against Trump, there will be vengeance from the White House. Rough day at the office...

dlk

(11,566 posts)
37. Yes, that is, no doubt, in the back of their minds
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:46 PM
May 2020

If they decide in favor of Trump, they are taking another giant leap toward an imperial presidency. It’s one thing when the president is from your party, but quite another when the president is from the other side. Will they take a step toward kneecapping their authority? They may. We’ll know soon enough.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
36. The President's Fee-Fees *shouldn't* be any sort of consideration
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:41 PM
May 2020

but alas we all know how it apparently works with Trump and his "Mean Girl" act

dlk

(11,566 posts)
38. It's the rage attack following the hurt "fee fees" that's the problem
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:48 PM
May 2020

This could easily push him completely over the edge.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
30. Let's face it. The truth is so evil they can't tell us what it is.
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:26 PM
May 2020

I mean, they laundered money? Where does all this cash flow originate? It's not just crude oil.

 

zak247

(251 posts)
35. don't depend on this slimy SCOTUS
Tue May 12, 2020, 02:39 PM
May 2020

They will find some deceptive way to support slimeball Trump. Those conservatives on the court are sinister.

That's why it was so vital to get Biden as the candidate( stupid progressives hear that) so the SCOTUS can be ballanced again or even just a small minority of Liberals maintained on it.

Grins

(7,217 posts)
41. Wanna' bet?
Tue May 12, 2020, 03:01 PM
May 2020

Been down this road too many times. Even here: “The lawyers/legal system/courts - got this”!

Bunk. Judge Walton was a disaster with Manafort. Mueller was a HUGE disaster. Judge Sullivan has been very good but now neutered by Bill Barr.

How many DoJ prosecutors resigned over Roger Stone? How many THOUSANDS of lawyers and FORMER DoJ career lawyers have screamed about Stone and Flynn? And got...what?

There is a reason the Reich spends more time packing the courts than they do on tax cuts.

PS: SCOTUS today heard the case of Congress’ demand for Trump’s tax returns. From what I have read so far, I’m betting Trump, 5:4 decision.

Care to bet...?

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