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Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
Mon May 11, 2020, 11:47 AM May 2020

Maybe small businesses & gig work should not be the backbone of an economy for 328 million people?

I'm not saying that we should not have small businesses at all. We should. Gig work is fine as well. I'm just saying that these businesses should not be the economic lifeline for 25% of all US laborers.

What should we do instead? How about breaking up some of these monopolies, or near monopolies, into multiple medium sized businesses. Dust off those anti-trust laws and break up the Amazons, Facebooks, WalMarts, Home Depots, and other near monopolies into medium sized companies.

Less monopolies mean more medium sized companies which means more stable jobs. Jobs that won't disappear in a flash when there's a crisis. And wages would rise due to the increased number of businesses.

Let me repeat. I'm not saying that we should not have small businesses or gig work. We should. They do provide much needed services. We should not be reliant on them to carry the economy for 328 million people.

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Maybe small businesses & gig work should not be the backbone of an economy for 328 million people? (Original Post) Yavin4 May 2020 OP
Amen...ANY new ideas are welcome and NOW is the time for them! Moostache May 2020 #1
Gig work lowers the UE rate Yavin4 May 2020 #2
Infrastructure and renewable energy jobs could revitalize the economy quickly nt Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #3
First, you'd have to get the money out of politics. procon May 2020 #4
I bet that is going to be changing in the next 6-18 months... Moostache May 2020 #5
Well, 15-25% of the American labor force is dependent on full government assistance to live Yavin4 May 2020 #6
Yes! TheFarseer May 2020 #7
I like the idea of breaking up the mega corporations. In addition, how about instituting both c-rational May 2020 #8
A National Service is a great idea. It should be coupled with climate change. Yavin4 May 2020 #9
Agreed, and I like your list. This was one of my first posts on DU and at the time I was surprised c-rational May 2020 #10
How a bout tax policy that gives money back to gov OR forces JCMach1 May 2020 #11
Or force some sort of minimal mfg here in the U.S. Yavin4 May 2020 #12
This was a big part of America's expansions in 1950s and 1960s JCMach1 May 2020 #17
I don't see how breaking up larger businesses would change the percent of jobs tied to small dsc May 2020 #13
If you broke up Amazon, you could create multiple online retailers. Yavin4 May 2020 #14
It might affect at the margins dsc May 2020 #15
You would be surprised at how much consolidation that there is in corporate America Yavin4 May 2020 #16

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
1. Amen...ANY new ideas are welcome and NOW is the time for them!
Mon May 11, 2020, 12:02 PM
May 2020

The thing that has me the most befuddled during this entire event is the slavish devotion to the former status-quo and the mistaken belief that says the "economy" is going come roaring back in short order.

This is of course hand-in-hand with the worst of Trump's gaggle of lies: 'he' built the world's greatest economy in history. That rancid piece of fiction is allowed to be repeated with no corrections, no context and no objective evidence at all. IF - and I do NOT believe this at all - but IF the 'Trump' economy was in fact so goddamn great, then why did a single event bring it to its knees, cripple the population and crash and burn like another "greatest of all-time", the Hindenburg?

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
2. Gig work lowers the UE rate
Mon May 11, 2020, 12:08 PM
May 2020

If you've been employed at all within the time frame of the UE survey, you're counted as employed even if all that you did was drive an Uber for a night.

That makes it seem like the economy is roaring, but it's not. We have papered over the problems in our economy with temp jobs and low level service sector jobs.

We're seeing now that in an emergency those jobs all vanish, and it's the govt that has to take care of 15-25% of the labor force.

procon

(15,805 posts)
4. First, you'd have to get the money out of politics.
Mon May 11, 2020, 12:13 PM
May 2020

As long as corrupt politicians are allowed to enrich themselves under our system of legalized bribery, the giant corporations will grow larger and more powerful still.

Our form of laissez-faire capitalism does not mix well with democracy, but at present, there's no will to change it.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
5. I bet that is going to be changing in the next 6-18 months...
Mon May 11, 2020, 12:33 PM
May 2020

Things are going to get desperate FAST for alot of Americans. Food insecurity is going to drive home the fact that no matter how good it feels to "own the libs", it doesn't stop the hunger pangs or cries of starving children.

Our system has a whole lot of baked in cruelty to appeal to people who are getting fucked over by giving them a target to blame and to gloat over. Gloating is not as much fun on an empty stomach.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
6. Well, 15-25% of the American labor force is dependent on full government assistance to live
Mon May 11, 2020, 12:39 PM
May 2020

Even if we re-open, those small service businesses won't be back. Either lack of customers or a re-occurence of the virus will knock them out.

We're being forced to re-evaluate and change whether there's big money in politics or not.

c-rational

(2,595 posts)
8. I like the idea of breaking up the mega corporations. In addition, how about instituting both
Mon May 11, 2020, 01:34 PM
May 2020

minimum income coupled with a required two years of national service. There is a lot that needs to be done and a lot of people who would either want to do it or need the work.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
9. A National Service is a great idea. It should be coupled with climate change.
Mon May 11, 2020, 01:39 PM
May 2020

We should develop a National Service Corp. to plan for and deal with the effects of climate change and other national crisises like this one.

Some can train for forrest fire fighting. Some can train for emergency services for a hurricane. Some can do climat change infrastructure projects. Some in health care. Some in manufacturing. The list is almost endless.

We need to reframe our national prepardness away from defending against foreign armies or invading nations to preparing for national emergencies.

c-rational

(2,595 posts)
10. Agreed, and I like your list. This was one of my first posts on DU and at the time I was surprised
Mon May 11, 2020, 01:47 PM
May 2020

by the blow back. I also wanted it coupled with voter registration and civics lessons. The times they are a changin.

JCMach1

(27,568 posts)
11. How a bout tax policy that gives money back to gov OR forces
Mon May 11, 2020, 02:37 PM
May 2020

Wealthy individuals and corporations to actually build out and up their companies/ businesses in THIS country.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
12. Or force some sort of minimal mfg here in the U.S.
Mon May 11, 2020, 02:40 PM
May 2020

Create a list of essential goods that need to be made here in the US. Don't outsource everything.

JCMach1

(27,568 posts)
17. This was a big part of America's expansions in 1950s and 1960s
Mon May 11, 2020, 06:52 PM
May 2020

All the investments had to be at home though, or no way to lower your tax obligation.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
13. I don't see how breaking up larger businesses would change the percent of jobs tied to small
Mon May 11, 2020, 02:43 PM
May 2020

businesses. To do that you would have to have them consolidate.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
14. If you broke up Amazon, you could create multiple online retailers.
Mon May 11, 2020, 02:49 PM
May 2020

Instead of a one stop shop retail, Amazon's online retial business could be broken up into separate units for clothing, books, household products, etc.

Doing so would create multiple businesses which would each need their own web developers, accountants, IT staff, admins, HR, etc.

That would move people away from the small businesses to more medium sized businesses.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
15. It might affect at the margins
Mon May 11, 2020, 03:01 PM
May 2020

but I doubt that any break up would result in more than say a 5% increase in total employees.

Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
16. You would be surprised at how much consolidation that there is in corporate America
Mon May 11, 2020, 03:15 PM
May 2020

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