It is clear, We are Fucked!

[shockey80]

There are way too many stupid Americans to be able to reopen the economy safety. You say reopen to the millions of idiots in our country and they hear go back to normal. They are not wearing masks, they are not social distancing. They actually get mad at businesses that are trying to reopen correctly, safely.

The virus will continue to spread, the death toll will continue to rise. Places that are tying to reopen will have to shut down again. Many of our major industries will not be able to open until there is a vaccine. We are heading for a major, long lasting, economic catastrophe.

[uponit7771]

1. K&R, Chinese shut down in 5 people get infected in a city. We "open up" when we're at 30,000 a day

[dlk]

17. I'm not sure I would trust the accuracy of the Chinese reporting

They are not always honest brokers.

[uponit7771]

20. I trust the Chinese more than Trump admin, they've empirically lied less than Trump in same time spa

[Scarsdale]

21. Amen!

This administration is filled with scam artists, grifters and liars. They are tested before hiring, to be sure they possess those "qualities" No honest people, or intelligent people allowed.

[dlk]

22. I don't trust either one of them...

[rzemanfl]

2. Sadly, I agree with you. Furthermore, the solution will not be

"made in America."

[UCmeNdc]

3. It all comes down to leadership. Trump is an unorganized mess! He has no direction, no objective,

only his own re-election!


Get Trump, William Barr, and Mitch McConnell out of there.

[LiberalArkie]

8. This is the first time we have had a president that could not talk to the people not at them.

In the past we had presidents who could talk as an uncle or brother or grandfather etc, now we have one that only talks as the employer with no empathy at all for the person on the other side of the conversation.

Even GW Bush could talk to the people.

[dlk]

19. We don't have a president

We have a reality tv actor in the White House who is play-acting at being president. Thank you GOP!

[not fooled]

35. Yes

a new low for them--at least the previous GOPee actor in the White House was able to convincingly feign empathy.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. Which would have been guaranteed if he had done the right thing.

Sadly the only thing he is capable of doing is getting even, which is what his main goal always is.

[erronis]

49. That's totally on purpose. He is kept in an addle-pated state in order to nullify the US government.

There's probably more than just adderall in his daily/hourly meds.

May even be administered via an embedded pump via a signal from (somewhere.)

[Wounded Bear]

4. Yep! So far, I am surviving, but the future looks grim for the country...nt

[kentuck]

5. That does appear to be the case.

[dawg day]

6. They have gone along with Trump making what should be just sensible health decisions--

into an adolescent culture war. "You're not the boss of me! You can't tell me what to do!"

[CaptYossarian]

15. And I won't miss those maskless Trumplodytes one bit.

I was social distancing from them before the virus.

[Initech]

7. Coronavirus dropped an A Bomb on our economy.

It's going to take a long time to clean up the fallout from this disaster.

[Botany]

9. The real science says we are looking @ 18 months to 2 years.

Michael Osterholm @ the University of Minnesota is the go to man on the subject.

"The steps we will recommend will be based on our current reality and the best available data," ead the preface from CIDRAP Director Michael Osterholm. "Our goal is to help planners envision some of the situations that might present themselves later this year or next year so that they can take key steps now, while there’s still time."

The first report reflects on the COVID-19 pandemic so far and compares it to pandemics of the past, such as the 1918 Spanish flu. By looking at behavior patterns from past influenza outbreaks, CIDRAP experts believe the coronavirus pandemic may last 18 to 24 months. In the new report, CIDRAP outlined three possible scenarios.

https://www.fox9.com/news/university-of-minnesota-infectious-disease-experts-outline-3-scenarios-for-covid-19-pandemic

[Canoe52]

45. Good article, thanks for posting!

[Alex4Martinez]

10. Thinning the herd. The smarter among us stay safe and aware.

It's not fair to the children of the sheeple but as mom and dad go, so must you.

We never learn except through irreversible error, and even then we drift back to our collective stupor.

[RoadRunner]

11. Looks like you're right

For me and my family, we’re considering this stay-at-home lifestyle to be permanent. Unlike most other people, we actually like to be at home and have no intentions of ever changing.

[czarjak]

12. The Dark Ages only lasted 400 years, so...

[karin_sj]

13. Unfortunately...

It will also hurt the smart and good people who can't afford to stay home. Many of us are fortunate to be able to work at home indefinitely and only go out when absolutely necessary. Many more people rely on minimum wage or low wage jobs to support themselves and their families and must get back to work before it's safe to do so. That's one of the the saddest things of all. The Trumpist idiots are making their own ill-informed choices, but others don't have those options. I'm just glad I live in California where our governor is really trying to do the right thing.

[47of74]

26. And of course there will be plenty of people on DU

Who will look down their noses at the ones who would stay home if possible but have no choice but to go out and work.

[northoftheborder]

14. It does not work if I have on my mask, but the fellow next to me does not.

[noneof_theabove]

34. correct

they have found cv19 surviving around/on the eyes for up to 40 days.

So the idiot not having a mask will disperse in aerosol the virus
which only a N95 mask can stop.

The percent of asymtomatic people is on the rise as we get better and more testing.
These are the one most needed to wear a mask.

[patphil]

16. It's as if a whole segment of the American population is determined to win the Darwin Award.

[live love laugh]

54. "Masks aren't for your protection they are for your submission"

From a right wing site. The panDUMBic is raging.

[Bettie]

18. Chances of a vaccine are not good

I've read several articles about this; here's one of them:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/will-there-be-a-coronavirus-vaccine-maybe-not.html

Here's another: https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

Professor Frazer was involved in the successful development of the vaccine for the human papilloma virus which causes cervical cancer — a vaccine which took years of work to develop.

He said the challenge is that coronaviruses have historically been hard to make safe vaccines for, partly because the virus infects the upper respiratory tract, which our immune system isn't great at protecting.

And while we have vaccines for seasonal influenza, HPV and other diseases, creating a new vaccine isn't as simple as taking an existing one and swapping the viruses, said Larisa Labzin, an immunologist from the University of Queensland.

"For each virus or different bacterium that causes a disease, we need a different vaccine because the immune response that's mounted is different," Dr Labzin told ABC Science.

[getagrip_already]

24. all part of the plan.....

Cause a disruption in life critical resources - like food, water, and electricity. Ration them to to friendlies and restrict them to critics. Purge the unwanted populations.

Start over.

That actually is a stated plan in some circles, and it appears to be one that is actually being carried out, though luckily not efficiently or with competent managers. At least not yet.

[erronis]

51. A very cynical viewpoint. But, I think it is probably correct.

As the oligarchs like to say, "No pain, no gain."

[jaxexpat]

25. It has been a while but I recall videos of Asian people disinfecting the pavement.

I guess they thought that infected people left virus in their tracks. We are told that the virus cannot stand exposure of more than a few days? hours? minutes? Was their effort a waste of time and energy? Was street spraying a step too far? I haven't heard.
I do, however, expect to hear that the White House is a new hot spot for infection. That would be a bit of news which makes perfect sense.

[Baclava]

33. There was a study that showed half the people in an ICU had infected soles of shoes, spraying street

Might not have been a bad idea

[jaxexpat]

42. Well then that's one bar we've failed to meet.

[Evolve Dammit]

27. And we are being pitted against each other, to make it worse. We need a sanity injection and it

needs to come now. Not sure who is going to stand up and call it out. Almost hoping the Pentagon does at this point.

[AlexSFCA]

28. plus our foreign adversaries are hard at work to ensure maximum damage

[Roc2020]

46. yah. no country is feeling sorry for us

as bad as their country maybe they would like to see nothing more than the pandemic destroy the U.S

[Yeehah]

29. So true. These self-proclaimed "patriots" have no concept of acting in the common good

They are selfish freaks brainwashed by Limbaugh and Fox "News."

[matt819]

30. You're probably right

That picture from the restaurant in San Antonio last week and the TJ Maxx in Arkansas this weekend are horrifying.

The US is going to hit 80,000 Covid-19 deaths today, and you know full well we're never going to get the truth about infections in the White House.

You know how people say that things are going to get worse before they get better? It's a popular line in sci fi and horror movies. I'm increasingly getting the feeling that it's going to get worse. And worse. And worse. And he'll still poll at 40%+. And Republican politicians will still remain silent.

[eppur_se_muova]

31. This is a societal catastrophe, of which the economic damage is only a part.

The loss of human potential and experience is of far greater value than the loss in mere trade, not to mention the emotional losses suffered by hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

Compared to that, the obsession with monetary losses seems inappropriate.

[yonder]

52. +1. That nail was hit square.

The loss of those with the "how to" and those who would learn the "how to" is an underappreciated loss. I believe many think we can simply plug in a new "unit" and all will be good as new.

[c-rational]

32. The virus will continue to spread as a society we are doing too little to prevent it. We have

forgotten the old adage,an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I have read that if 80% of the population wore masks, the number of cases would plummet. In Japan, they did not need to shut down to the extend that we did because they respect their fellow citizens and wear masks. Maybe it has something to do with how homogeneous a society they are. This same principle applies to global warming. We need leadership.

[Baclava]

39. A single cough from a maskless infected can travel well beyond 6 ft, that could be spread to dozens

And researchers found that people touch the face 16 times an hour, most never realize it. Thats why handwashing is important

[Dukkha]

36. Secession is the only solution

America is permanently broken and permanently divided, pandemic or not. Rather than trying to force the bottom 30% to conform with the rest of civilization, make them exist in their own libertarian shithole and let them self-destruct. Good riddance to them all.

[AllaN01Bear]

37. this.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13422636

[turbinetree]

38. Well we are going to see who "wins" libertarians, capitalists, insanity....sanity........

or a virus........so far a virus is leading know matter what happens, until there is a vaccine..............

[pbmus]

48. Bingo...

[turbinetree]

50. Wado---------------thank you

[orangecrush]

40. Sad but true

[iluvtennis]

41. Agree with you shockey80. End of May / early May

many states that didn’t reopen per CDC guidelines will be transitioning back to lockdown. We’ll lose all the gains made with the initial lockdown. It is so sad.

[spinbaby]

43. Around here they're bragging about not wearing face masks

I follow our local (western PA) Facebook group, where people are yelling about “freedoms” and claiming face masks make you sick. Many locals say they’re going to West Virginia to shop because West Virginia isn’t making them wear face masks.

[Roc2020]

44. Unfortunately you could be right

especially seeing just how difficult the most successful countries are in controlling the pandemic. s.korea over the pass 48hrs have moved to shut down all nightclubs. germany the 'r' infection rate is shooting back up. Singapore is in trouble. If those countries are having a tough time it's almost impossible in america where some days people can't agree on the weather.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

47. You're right. No way to open the economy safely now. Prepare for the second wave.

[cayugafalls]

53. Here in north Houston on Saturday it was business as usual.

Super busy and while there were people still wearing masks, it was a lot less than before.

The amount of traffic and people congregating was incredible. We just drove around a bit and dropped off some mail, then went home, dismayed at the foolishness.

While our numbers here are not outrageous, yet, with this level of a lack of concern we fear it will jump again soon.

[flibbitygiblets]

55. In rural Oregon, maybe 1 in 5 people were wearing masks last weekend in retail stores

Some bringing their entire unmasked families in. When they start getting too close, I just start loudly coughing.