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Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:03 PM May 2020

We are going to win the whole shebang.. the Presidency, the House, the Senate.. and even some of the

state houses.. Oh there are thirty percent or so of the Turnip faithful who will howl at the moon..but we are going to win this.

And you would think things would lighten up for us a little.

Get ready my friends.. the squirrels that will be left in the house and senate and state houses.. will try and block us 24 ways of Sunday in the Courts.

And what has the senate been doing non stop for three years.. stacking the decks in the courts.

It will be interesting.. and President Biden will get about a year to get things through.. and this time, we need to keep the pressure on our senate and house to back him up.. we need to solidify things in law and not just executive actions..

And we cannot do everything and guess what, we are going to have the mess of all time to clean up.

So with that in mind.. I hope we can do this:

Solidify Obamacare

Infrastructure with a jobs program to place people who will not get their jobs back

Roll back the tax cuts for the wealthy.

Roll back the attacks on the environment by this administration.

If we can get that through.. Joe can use the next three years to rebuild our International alliances.. because they will tie everything up in the courts..

And keep an eye on the judges they have put in. So many have been subpar.

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We are going to win the whole shebang.. the Presidency, the House, the Senate.. and even some of the (Original Post) Peacetrain May 2020 OP
Pack the Supreme Court with 4 more Justices. Hardball time. bullimiami May 2020 #1
+1 SunSeeker May 2020 #2
Your lips to Gods ears!!! Peacetrain May 2020 #3
Yes! badseedboy May 2020 #5
Yes! MoonRiver May 2020 #10
Yes, absolutely. It just has to be done. gristy May 2020 #15
This. Start with Goodwin Liu. kairos12 May 2020 #38
Barack Obama would make a great SC Justice. LudwigPastorius May 2020 #39
AND Merrick Garland! lastlib May 2020 #42
Hillary would have some years ago, but we need younger justices, so they will have many tblue37 May 2020 #60
Yes! Add 3-4 more SC Justices! We win! machoneman May 2020 #41
Just so you know... killaphill May 2020 #62
I know I am cutting in but.........Get rid of the electoral college! Maraya1969 May 2020 #64
Constitutional Amendment is the only way. n/t whopis01 May 2020 #65
28 USC 1 Mike Niendorff May 2020 #68
May all gods bless you! badseedboy May 2020 #4
I agree with all of that. Concise, fundamentals. Walleye May 2020 #6
Not just roll back taxes in the wealthy, we are going to raise them. roamer65 May 2020 #7
That's a good start moose65 May 2020 #21
Agree. Income tax is for losers. How about VAT? erronis May 2020 #32
how about fiets noneof_theabove May 2020 #48
I'm glad to see the UBI gaining traction. This along with universal health care would get US into erronis May 2020 #34
People at the poverty level and below do not pay income tax. former9thward May 2020 #55
The suggestion was no tax for people below the poverty line whopis01 May 2020 #67
We Also Need A Reckoning Of Barr & All Other Villians Me. May 2020 #8
+1. So much to do, but this item is very high priority. Set examples by harsh prosecutions. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #27
Happily For Us If All Predictions Come True Me. May 2020 #28
Short term memory failing you a bit? 2016 ring a bell? Ms. Toad May 2020 #9
A little optimism from time to time is a good thing. gristy May 2020 #17
My point is that the unbridled optimism in 2016 Ms. Toad May 2020 #18
I agree with you moose65 May 2020 #22
I don't think the third party candidates swung the Electoral College and the fix. erronis May 2020 #35
+1000 DesertRat May 2020 #70
Dis you see that betting odds apparently have trump winning? N/t Ms. Toad May 2020 #71
Ugh DesertRat May 2020 #72
Yes long past doom and gloom. LakeArenal May 2020 #11
Absolutely!! or as my hubby said Peacetrain May 2020 #12
Yup! Just like we did in 2016!! Ms. Toad May 2020 #19
My mother said, if you don't have something nice to say, hold your tounge. LakeArenal May 2020 #23
You were agreeing with a post that declared flat out that we were going to win. Ms. Toad May 2020 #29
give it a rest. It can't be gloom and doom ALLLLLL the time. flying_wahini May 2020 #36
❣️ LakeArenal May 2020 #52
Happy talk is fine. Ms. Toad May 2020 #54
Yep that's right. Peacetrain is right. LakeArenal May 2020 #51
I certainly hope so, but... Rollo May 2020 #13
No one is saying that..but move with confidence.. our message is right.. Peacetrain May 2020 #14
Exactly. LakeArenal May 2020 #53
Yep.. Have a go get them state of mind is not Peacetrain May 2020 #57
AND REINSTATE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, with some new laws that outline what kinds BComplex May 2020 #16
And media ownership rules kimbutgar May 2020 #47
Deport Murdoch ,toss him out like yesterday's trash. I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #50
Something Biden can actually do on Day 1: world wide wally May 2020 #20
I think I read that the (r)epuglicons are trying to stop rescinding executive orders. erronis May 2020 #37
Between the election and inauguration Freddie May 2020 #24
K and R Stuart G May 2020 #25
In today's America, it's no longer enough to win just the election DFW May 2020 #26
It will be a once in a lifetime chance for substantive change Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #30
Great post, thanks! La Lucha Continua! ancianita May 2020 #31
Green New Deal too, please! OMGWTF May 2020 #33
One solution would be ChoosenWisely May 2020 #40
I hope we can vote IronLionZion May 2020 #43
Yes! We need to impeach all those young, unqualified Republiscum judges! Use their ABA.... machoneman May 2020 #44
I believe part of the GOP's plan will be to go after the blue states that are in debt from the virus C Moon May 2020 #45
I am hoping, praying and wishing this to be true. kimbutgar May 2020 #46
poll finds Trump leading in battle ground states greenman3610 May 2020 #49
Mammoth has Biden ahead. By 8 vercetti2021 May 2020 #61
Prosecute every Trump enabling staffer into the dust. Do not "move on" or "let it go". meadowlander May 2020 #56
We might -- but only if we do the hard work necessary struggle4progress May 2020 #58
+100000 Celerity May 2020 #59
Agree, and get the children out of those cages. Joinfortmill May 2020 #63
I hope you're right. musicblind May 2020 #66
In addition to the SCOTUS ... Mike Niendorff May 2020 #69

gristy

(10,667 posts)
15. Yes, absolutely. It just has to be done.
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:32 PM
May 2020

Can Biden get it done? I don't know. Where's Lyndon Johnson when you need him?

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
60. Hillary would have some years ago, but we need younger justices, so they will have many
Sat May 9, 2020, 09:11 PM
May 2020

years on the SCOTUS.

Obama would be great, but I don't think he wants any further public office.

Maraya1969

(22,500 posts)
64. I know I am cutting in but.........Get rid of the electoral college!
Sat May 9, 2020, 11:29 PM
May 2020

Don't know how to do that but I am sure it can only be done when Democrats have all the power.

badseedboy

(174 posts)
4. May all gods bless you!
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:07 PM
May 2020

I raised my kids with one guiding fact: Optimism is logical.
Lately, I've forgotten that mantra, and you recalled it for me.
Thank you.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
7. Not just roll back taxes in the wealthy, we are going to raise them.
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:18 PM
May 2020

We have many programs to fund, like a new UBI program.

Minimum 45 pct tax on anyone making $1M up to $10M.

Top tax rate of 60 pct on anyone making more than $10M.

No tax on anyone making less than poverty level.

I also want national luxury item tax. A sales tax on non-essential goods.

moose65

(3,168 posts)
21. That's a good start
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:44 PM
May 2020

However, it’s long been my belief that the vastly wealthy really don’t give a shit about income tax rates. What they really care about is the capital gains tax and the estate tax, both of which need to be revised and raised. In the Clinton years, capital gains were taxed at the same rates as ordinary income, IIRC.

erronis

(15,335 posts)
32. Agree. Income tax is for losers. How about VAT?
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:41 PM
May 2020

The wealthy can hide their income easily. Not so the the ordinary wage-earners.

The wealthy also buy much more expensive shit. Tax those purchases.

noneof_theabove

(410 posts)
48. how about fiets
Sat May 9, 2020, 05:14 PM
May 2020

Financial Ingress Egress Tax System
EVERYONE PLAYS - BY THE RULES

1% going into bank [ingress] 1% leaving bank [egress] [might need to be 2 or 3% to start]
This is wall street, main street, rich, poor above poverty, Trump Properties, Amazon....EVERYONE !
No ifs or buts or kids or cars or houses.....ALL TAXING IN THE BANKING [Financial] SYSTEM.

On $50,000 income you get about $475/month by not paying anything out of pay check.

Don't spend the money [ or move to savings ] then no payments.

No we have enough in the Treasury to do SSI, Vets, Health/Wellness for all, infrastructure [bad bridges]

get the PDF at fiets.us [please get one copy and pass it around and don't kill my shared server - thanks]

Yes I did this in early 2017.

And get to Biden and and the rest.

erronis

(15,335 posts)
34. I'm glad to see the UBI gaining traction. This along with universal health care would get US into
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:43 PM
May 2020

the "developed" world category.

A VAT might be the same as a luxury item tax.

whopis01

(3,523 posts)
67. The suggestion was no tax for people below the poverty line
Sun May 10, 2020, 08:24 AM
May 2020

People at that level may not pay Federal income tax but they still pay payroll tax (7.65%) as well as state and local taxes.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
8. We Also Need A Reckoning Of Barr & All Other Villians
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:20 PM
May 2020

even if we can only do investigations, it will bring dirty deeds into the light. Also, those who willfully stole money by taking advantage of desperate states like the one NY (on recommendation) paid 62 million for PPE and re'cd nothing because it was a scam and still hasn't been able to recover the money.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
28. Happily For Us If All Predictions Come True
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:25 PM
May 2020

The work can be divided up between the Senate, House & 'purged' Justice Dept.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
9. Short term memory failing you a bit? 2016 ring a bell?
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:21 PM
May 2020

Please don't get cocky - people felt exactly the same way in 2016, and we were blessed with 4 years of Trump - in part - because we didn't respect Trump's appeal to far too many people. That appeal is still there for far too many people.

gristy

(10,667 posts)
17. A little optimism from time to time is a good thing.
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:35 PM
May 2020

As far as 2016 is concerned, we then had the flawed Clinton and the unperceived flaws of Trump.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
18. My point is that the unbridled optimism in 2016
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:40 PM
May 2020

Led some democrats to vote for third party candidates to send a message to "president" clinton.
People already inclined to vote for a third party candidate - who would have voted for Clinton had they not been bamboozled into believing that Trump could never win - voted third party without any wrestling with their conscience at all
And - I had conversations with a number of people who planned to switch parties in the primary so they could vote for Trump to ensure an easy win for Clinton. (I don't know whether any did, or not. My spouse was one of them, but she does have memory issues and by now doesn't even remember the conversations in which I begged her to take Trump more seriously.)

We can't afford to make over the top predictions about a Biden win, unless we want history to repeat itself.

moose65

(3,168 posts)
22. I agree with you
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:48 PM
May 2020

No one thought Trump could win (even him) and so a third-party vote seemed like a safe bet. That won’t happen this time around. Trump is no longer an unknown quantity - we’ve SEEN how he behaves as President. Republicans got the shit kicked out of them in 2018 when Trump wasn’t on the ballot. How much worse will it be for them this time around? Trump isn’t going to win any more voters than he already had, while the younger electorate grows more diverse by the month. A little optimism is a good thing.

Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
12. Absolutely!! or as my hubby said
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:30 PM
May 2020

to someone who was not social distancing..

"Six week back, or six feet under.. the choice is yours"


Time to back these arrogant SOB's out of office... Yes they are noisy.. but that is about it.. they are the most inept group of people to have ever held office.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
19. Yup! Just like we did in 2016!!
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:42 PM
May 2020

That turned out well - I want a repeat.



(Sorry - I'm one of the folks who urged caution in 2016, so it scares me to death when I see the same overconfidence repeating itself.)

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
23. My mother said, if you don't have something nice to say, hold your tounge.
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:59 PM
May 2020

I did not say overconfidence. I said confidence and faith.

Confidence doesn’t mean ignore the bullshit. It means what they handout we will stand up to. Faith is faith in good over evil.
Faith is in knowing you are on the right side of history.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
29. You were agreeing with a post that declared flat out that we were going to win.
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:26 PM
May 2020
We are going to win the whole shebang.. the Presidency, the House, the Senate.. and even some of the

state houses.. Oh there are thirty percent or so of the Turnip faithful who will howl at the moon..but we are going to win this.


That's the overconfidence I find terrifying, because it is virtually identical to the posts here before the election in November 2016. (And anyone even suggesting to the contrary was called a troll). I would not have commented on an independent post suggesting we need to shift our attitude. It was that it was offered supporting the same kind of over-the-top posts I saw in 2016 that triggered my comment.

flying_wahini

(6,651 posts)
36. give it a rest. It can't be gloom and doom ALLLLLL the time.
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:47 PM
May 2020

I like hearing something that would make us all happy.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
54. Happy talk is fine.
Sat May 9, 2020, 07:10 PM
May 2020

But asserting that we are going to win, and win big encourages people to think that we don't need every single vote - and we do. Trump is every bit as dangerous as he was in 2016. If we treat him in 2020 as the non-threat we treated him as in 2016, history will repeat itself.

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
51. Yep that's right. Peacetrain is right.
Sat May 9, 2020, 07:03 PM
May 2020

Sorry you feel such dread. But I refuse to be swayed.

We are going to win.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
13. I certainly hope so, but...
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:31 PM
May 2020

This is no time to sit back and let others carry the cause forward.

Just sayin'. It's not over until the fat bastard is out of the White House.

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
53. Exactly.
Sat May 9, 2020, 07:08 PM
May 2020

Also nobody including you is saying sit back and let others carry the load.

We (you and I specifically) say move forward with confidence. Not trepidation.
Stand up to them was my term. Don’t accept the bullshit as truth. Don’t let swiftboating work. Fear is a mindset.

Peacetrain

(22,878 posts)
57. Yep.. Have a go get them state of mind is not
Sat May 9, 2020, 08:59 PM
May 2020

sitting on our hands and letting the other side win.. People vote for a winner.. and Biden is a winner! which means getting out the vote.. "fired up... ready to go" LakeArenal

BComplex

(8,066 posts)
16. AND REINSTATE THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, with some new laws that outline what kinds
Sat May 9, 2020, 02:32 PM
May 2020

of programs can be called "news", and what their parameters must be. We have to stop the crazy-thinking shit that has been passing for news.

kimbutgar

(21,195 posts)
47. And media ownership rules
Sat May 9, 2020, 05:00 PM
May 2020

Sinclair broadcasting needs to be broken up anti trust wise. And we need to take down the Murdoch media empire.

erronis

(15,335 posts)
37. I think I read that the (r)epuglicons are trying to stop rescinding executive orders.
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:47 PM
May 2020

Didn't they do/try to do this in Wisconsin?

Freddie

(9,275 posts)
24. Between the election and inauguration
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:01 PM
May 2020

Write all our bucket list legislation.
Strengthen Obamacare and add a public option.
National mail voting
Tax the rich
Start cutting back the military
And many more

The minute the new regime is in place, pass all the legislation with no Republican votes. That’s precisely what they’d do to us.

DFW

(54,442 posts)
26. In today's America, it's no longer enough to win just the election
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:07 PM
May 2020

You have to win the counting of the votes as well.

As Stalin was supposed to have said:

"Those who cast he votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."

Or, just take it from the Republicans, themselves. They don't even try to hide it:



"We'll take care of the counting." And so they did. And so they still do.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,657 posts)
30. It will be a once in a lifetime chance for substantive change
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:32 PM
May 2020

After the pandemic, America will be ready for single payer healthcare, and we must push Biden to get it.

In addition, a tribunal to bring Trump and all his canal to justice must be formed on day one.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
31. Great post, thanks! La Lucha Continua!
Sat May 9, 2020, 03:37 PM
May 2020


None of this is over 'til it's over, and the fat lady isn't even backstage!

machoneman

(4,010 posts)
44. Yes! We need to impeach all those young, unqualified Republiscum judges! Use their ABA....
Sat May 9, 2020, 04:20 PM
May 2020

unqualified ratings to start the proceedings across the board. Make the RNC and Republiscum donorts spend their $ on trying to defend their picks. Even if we can't get them all out, we'll get some out and burn up their donor's dollars, not allowing those same $ to be used for political purposes.

C Moon

(12,221 posts)
45. I believe part of the GOP's plan will be to go after the blue states that are in debt from the virus
Sat May 9, 2020, 04:23 PM
May 2020

Along with killing voters with the virus (as Trump is now doing).
So, I say let's keep pushing this like we aren't going to win.

kimbutgar

(21,195 posts)
46. I am hoping, praying and wishing this to be true.
Sat May 9, 2020, 04:56 PM
May 2020

The repukes and their deranged cult leader have really exposed themselves for what they really are and they don’t care about the American people only money and power

greenman3610

(3,947 posts)
49. poll finds Trump leading in battle ground states
Sat May 9, 2020, 05:14 PM
May 2020
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-leads-joe-biden-six-battleground-states-poll-1502514


President Donald Trump is leading Joe Biden by two points in six battlegrounds states, a new poll has found.

The latest survey by Change Research and CNBC revealed that 47 percent of likely voters in Arizona, Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin would back the commander-in-chief if an election were held the same day.

By comparison, 45 percent told pollsters they would opt for former Vice President Biden. A further 4 percent said they would back a third-party candidate while 3 percent were unsure who they would back in November.

meadowlander

(4,406 posts)
56. Prosecute every Trump enabling staffer into the dust. Do not "move on" or "let it go".
Sat May 9, 2020, 07:37 PM
May 2020

They need to be made an example of or we're going to be right back here in 8 years as soon as the economy has recovered enough for the GOP to start whining about the National Debt again.

Mike Niendorff

(3,463 posts)
69. In addition to the SCOTUS ...
Sun May 10, 2020, 08:53 AM
May 2020

Dems should also be looking to expand the judiciary at all levels.

McConnell spent his career trying to corrupt and stack the courts? Make it meaningless. Expand them all.

And for god's sake, **PLEASE** start exercising the power of impeachment when a federal judge fails the "good behavior" standard.

The days for playing softball are far, FAR behind us.


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