Do you know why there were no marches on state capitals to end rationing during WW2?

[Kyblue1]

Because all the REAL men and REAL patriots were carrying their weapons in battle against Nazis in Europe and the Japanese imperialists in the Pacific. During a real war, people suffered on the home front for years. I’m not denying that too many people are having a hard time during this epidemic, but the thugs who are brandishing guns in the state capitals are not helping in the “war” against Covid19

[captain queeg]

1. There were those in America that profited in one way or another

But since most families had someone in the service they kept their mouths shut.

[gratuitous]

2. Because we had leadership that sent a consistent message to the people

Instead of what we have now, which is a weather vane of an administration that turns one way today and turns the exact opposite way tomorrow.

[VarryOn]

3. People were more patriotic back then...

They sucked it up when it came to sacrifice.

[not fooled]

9. They had a government they could trust

FDR and the New Deal--the government worked for the people.

Now we have a cabal of criminals looting the nation, following 40 years of anti-government propaganda starting in earnest with that evil old bastard raygun, + billionaire money hoarders shoving the country off the cliff to the right.

[Archae]

13. For the white people, you mean.

The more I read about FDR and what he DIDN'T do before the war, (he helped block anti-lynching laws,) and what he did during the war. (Locking up Japanese-Americans.)

It wasn't until after the war, when Truman desegregated the troops that actual Presidential action started the destruction of white supremacy.

[MichMan]

15. Don't understand why the FDR legacy is given a pass by so many here

I had to reply to someone in our local news forum who said it was a good thing FDR imprisoned Japanese Americans because it was for their own safety. I replied that in no stretch of the imagination would it be said that he was really doing them a favor

[not fooled]

25. You are both right

The New Deal policies that helped only a segment of the population should have included everyone, FDR should not have interned Japanese Americans, and he should have moved the nation forward to fight racism and discrimination.

[GulfCoast66]

26. Everything you say is true. But context is important.

The largest block of FDRs congressional support was Southern Democrats. Who at the time were the same Democrats who supported secession in 1860. If he pushed anything that helped African Americans at all they would have stonewalled. Because they took segregation more seriously than anything. Social Security is the perfect example. The only way he could get it thru was by exempting farm workers and domestic help. Guess what a vast majority of African Americans did for a living in the 30’s. Especially in the South. So he comprised. But the alternative was no SS.

White Southerners loved all the big government programs which lifted the most impoverished region of the country out of third world conditions. Until the 60’s. When another Democratic President, ironically a southerner, extended those benefits and more to people of color. Those southern democrats now make up the Republican Party in the south. As in the 30’s they value their privileged place in society over a healthy society.

I give FDR a pass he played the hand he was dealt. Not saying he was a civil rights champion. But he initially wanted his program to cover everyone. He wife sure as hell did. And I type this as a 54 year old Southern White Male.

The internment of the Japanese Americans? No excuse for that. He did not need the support of Southern Democrats to keep it from happening.

[progressoid]

32. +1

[lastlib]

4. They're too dense to figure out....

that the party THEY VOTE FOR is the REASON so many working people are having a hard time right now!

THEIR party is the one that has FLATTENED WAGES for working people over the past forty years!
THEIR party is the one that has BLOCKED HEALTH CARE COVERAGE for working people over the past seventy years!
THEIR party is the one that has ROLLED BACK UNION RIGHTS and WORKER PROTECTIONS over the past forty years!
THEIR party is the one that has FATTENED corporate coffers over the past forty years! at THEIR expense.

They are protesting to the WRONG people! As Joy Reid, said this morning, "People who stand up to work all day are NOT the primary concern of the Mitch McConnells of the world."

[Boomerproud]

5. 100% correct

Hiding behind the flag as always. Despicable.

[doc03]

6. We didn't ever have a president that incited fools like that before. nt

[Oppaloopa]

7. They were all over my town on all major street corners with their huge Flags One lady had her car

in a Donald Trump wrap. his hair was on a American eagle. All waving flags and don't tread on me crap. Me and the kid in the next car next to me just let it rip. Her license plate said LV Trump You can only take so much.

[Augiedog]

8. They are a herd of wanna be warriors.

[nilesobek]

10. Remember your Good Book Militia Man.

Jesus commands you to obey the civil authority, in more than one verse.

[keithbvadu2]

11. The President(s) in WWll considered the Nazis to be the enemy.

The President(s) in WWll considered the Nazis to be the enemy.

[pansypoo53219]

12. years ago i did an estate sale of a woman who was a VOLUNTEER in japan post WW2.

i found a silkpilot's escape map & a plastic folder w/all her mimeographed pages of RULES etc she had. my god did they think of everything. due diligence. the moron is lazy know nothing.

[bubbazero]

14. There were also "REAL MEN ( and WOMEN)" at home who contributed

I grew up with the privilege of the WWII generation as parents, uncles, neighbors-etc. The NATIONAL effort for that war extended all thru out society. Some farmers were exempt from service for food security, but lost all their help. One neighbor was famous for milking all his cows alone, twice a day, every day for 4 yrs with out a break. 16 hrs of dairying, every day for 4 yrs-wife was nurse-volunteered at vet recovery center every night. Consider the 'Blue Star/Gold Stars' in windows--I still remember these--Women in the work place, (Rosie the Riveter). Kids worked adult jobs before and after school, including things like steel mills and ship yards as young as 14. Railroad mechanics-often known as 'Bulls' came out of retirement, some in their 70's--damn old for the time. Merchant Marine--often using OLD men, formerly retired, along with kids as young as 15--awesome record. The point--our LEADERSHIP encouraged this effort--people wanted to help--EVERYONE felt the urgency, most felt the desire to do what one could, whatever that was. This IDIOT, Little Lord Tiny Hands, cares not for his countrymen, only for himself. This fight pits the 'Better Angels of our Nature' against the Natural Ugliness that Trump seems to be able to summon from his supporters. I don't fear the virus, or death from it if it happens, I fear for country to recover from the SICKNESS OF TRUMP.----------------sorry, long day

[MichMan]

16. There were sure a lot during the Vietnam war

[Major Nikon]

21. There were but that had nothing to do with rationing

Times were tough on the home front during WW2. So tough the government mandated certain nutrients had to be added to commercial bread because people were existing on little else.

[Kaleva]

23. Protests today have nothing to do with rationing either

[Major Nikon]

29. They are about claimed hardship

The parallel is those in WW2 endured far more hardship and didn’t piss and moan about it.

[Kaleva]

31. I think the WW2 gen would have engaged in armed rebellion had church services been suspended

[mwooldri]

17. Maybe we need to draft their asses....

... I'm sure the local morgue could do with a hand

[JI7]

18. That was before we had a black president and even before civil rights. These people are all the

result of a backlash against civil rights in this country.

[Thekaspervote]

19. Thank you! A voice of reality and sanity

[Hulk]

20. No...but the draft dodging coward and con artist is supporting

...the confused and dumb ass ignorant jackasses on.

A nation of fucking morons...led by the greatest moron of them all.

[nilesobek]

22. My father was born in 1933.

He told me the Nazis were hated in his little hometown.

If a drunk or subversive wannabe was spouting Nazi crap around town they got a visit from a Jeep load of Army guys with guns.

My grandfather served in both world wars. Merchant Marine in WW1 and Navy in the Pacific in WW2. My father and grandfather never talked about their military service unlike a lot of braggarts out there these days.

You did your service, you kept your mouth shut. After the war's over you still kept your mouth shut. If you didn't you would likely be be called out for it.

The culture has changed.

[Kaleva]

24. No state govt. during WWII would have dared to limit church services

That would have been a sure-fire way to instigate armed rebellion.

[GulfCoast66]

27. Of course not. Because it would not kill you.

But during the 1918 flu pandemic church survive was canceled all over the country. Legally, because in a pandemic that’s what you do. There were no armed protest.

[Kaleva]

30. State of Michigan didn't have authority to deal with the 1918 flu 'cept to quarantine known cases

That power rested with local health boards at that time.

[GulfCoast66]

33. You are correct. But since that is a totally ineffective way to deal with a pandemic,

Each city or county deciding it own rules when we no routinely drive thru multiple one daily, Governors were given that authority under Emergency Declaration laws.

I routinely go thru 5-10 different municipalities and 3 different counties. If one of them does not get with the plan everything is out the window.

[Kaleva]

35. And that explains why there were no protests and why the death toll was so high.

Local health boards had control over what measures were taken in dealing with the pandemic. Some boards closed down schools while others didn't. Some suspended church services and others didn't.

[GulfCoast66]

36. And stores. But if Mr and Ms Johnson could not get Milk or Jesus in their town.

They just went to the next one over. And like you said, high death toll.

Have you seen the PBS documentary on the 1918 pandemic? Someone posted a link last night. It went into this subject. October 1918 was horrendous. Like almost 200k Americans died in a population less than half of what we have now.

Mentioned on town in Utah that cut off all outside traffic. Except the mailman. Guess who brought it in? Scare times.

But that flu was more lethal than this virus by all apparent evidence. It killed those between 20-29 at the highest rate.

Have a nice evening.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. They stormed beaches under fire. Snowflakes are unable to sit on their couches playing shoot-em ups.

[Efilroft Sul]

34. We had a sense of duty and shared sacrifice. We would've lost the war with today's assclowns.