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Peacetrain

(22,879 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:51 PM Apr 2020

I am sorry, but the Reade story is changing and growing by the minute and I do not buy it

for a second.

As a survivor of sexual assault.. after 27 years, you know what happened or did not happen.. it does not grow and change with the wind.

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I am sorry, but the Reade story is changing and growing by the minute and I do not buy it (Original Post) Peacetrain Apr 2020 OP
Research all of Trump's BittyJenkins Apr 2020 #1
Trump saw his failing poll numbers and is freaking the fuck out C_U_L8R Apr 2020 #2
That is exactly what I have been saying. My story has not changed in 40 years! Maraya1969 Apr 2020 #3
Biden needs to address it NOW. milestogo Apr 2020 #4
He already denied it I-am-sancho Apr 2020 #5
Bingo! marble falls Apr 2020 #9
You are right still_one Apr 2020 #12
I agree subana Apr 2020 #41
Welcome to DU wryter2000 Apr 2020 #49
What is he supposed to do? Walleye Apr 2020 #6
He is going to address it tomorrow on Morning Joe PatSeg Apr 2020 #45
He is? Where'd you hear that? Too early for West Coast! nolabear Apr 2020 #52
On MSNBC and on DU PatSeg Apr 2020 #53
Thanks. I'm seeing more about it now. nolabear Apr 2020 #54
You're welcome PatSeg Apr 2020 #55
I don't give it any thought. Think Benghazi or e mails? pwb Apr 2020 #7
This is one of those things... stillcool Apr 2020 #10
Do your own thing. pwb Apr 2020 #11
You don't praise your assaulter's quest against violence against women Hav Apr 2020 #8
Bingo still_one Apr 2020 #13
exactly!! subana Apr 2020 #43
Your story may not have changed as you've told it to others over the years. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #14
How common is it to go Hav Apr 2020 #15
Pushing fingers into a genital area is a pretty common consensual activity as well as a not WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #16
Sure, victims may tell their stories in parts Hav Apr 2020 #17
Why bring Bernie into it? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #18
Because that is around the time her story changed Hav Apr 2020 #20
No, I'm just making the point that her story was one thing until it was another, which is not WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #22
Could it be possible that she read her father's book, and picked up storylines from it ? OnDoutside Apr 2020 #51
Lets get real here...most are promoting the story in the hopes that somehow it will hurt Biden Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #27
And many are are embracing rhetoric that hurts all victims in an effort to support Biden. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #33
Tara and her supporters are the ones hurting all victims. BlueLucy Apr 2020 #36
By pushing lies hurts real victims. rockfordfile Apr 2020 #58
sure but she didn't do that qazplm135 Apr 2020 #19
. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #21
You really think a woman would say a man who raped her is good on Violence against Women? Do you Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #26
I'm not defending her. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #34
That's not true rockfordfile Apr 2020 #59
Exactly PatSeg Apr 2020 #46
have you tried a case? qazplm135 Apr 2020 #30
When this happened, we all wore panty hose. Old Terp Apr 2020 #37
Except she is not a victim. Drahthaardogs Apr 2020 #56
true rockfordfile Apr 2020 #60
She also praised Biden on this very issue...violence against women. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #28
I am the victim of assault and remember every detail. My story has never changed...that is what Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #23
My experience as well. salin Apr 2020 #44
From USA Today. The author goes through her story piece by piece. AJT Apr 2020 #24
i refuse to even read about it... samnsara Apr 2020 #25
Stop convicting people over mere allegations zak247 Apr 2020 #29
Seem that only Democratic politician Kaiserguy Apr 2020 #31
And ever since the #MeToo movement took off, PatSeg Apr 2020 #48
You speak elequently for me as well. pazzyanne Apr 2020 #32
Unlike with trump's many accusers, it doesn't ring true. mwb970 Apr 2020 #35
I am a sexual assault survivor. BlueLucy Apr 2020 #38
I'm not sorry. This woman thinks she's a lying bitch. we can do it Apr 2020 #39
I believe Joe videohead5 Apr 2020 #40
I agree. bluescribbler Apr 2020 #42
Honestly, is there anyone here that really thinks this accusation against Biden hadEnuf Apr 2020 #47
This. Just this. TygrBright Apr 2020 #50
Ths story has far too many holes and changes to be credible Gothmog Apr 2020 #57
Great statement by Joe Gothmog May 2020 #61
Unfortunately, all they need is for it to be the lead story Bettie May 2020 #62
She's a liar. Happy Hoosier May 2020 #63
Mika went through a recap of all the ins and outs of this Tara Reade/Joe Biden matter. Gothmog May 2020 #64
Finally.. glad Mika caught up with what all the rest of us were seeing Peacetrain May 2020 #65

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
2. Trump saw his failing poll numbers and is freaking the fuck out
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:57 PM
Apr 2020

That's the only reason this tractionless smear is getting any attention at all... from paid bots.

I-am-sancho

(2 posts)
5. He already denied it
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:05 PM
Apr 2020

There’s nothing more to say on it. Any statement is just opening himself up for new lines of attack. Refer to the original statement, and don’t give it anymore attention than it deserves.

wryter2000

(46,082 posts)
49. Welcome to DU
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 05:39 PM
Apr 2020

You are so right. Plus, he has to be extra careful not to insult her or say anything that would accuse her of making it up. That's what real perpetrators have done (successfully) in the past. He mustn't seem to be putting her down or calling her crazy. The best he can do is assert his innocence.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
52. He is? Where'd you hear that? Too early for West Coast!
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 06:11 PM
Apr 2020

I guess I’ll record it but I hate getting everything three hours late.

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
53. On MSNBC and on DU
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 06:13 PM
Apr 2020

I used to be in California and I sometimes recorded Morning Joe. Now I'm on the East Coast, but I still rarely get up that early, so I set it to record.

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
55. You're welcome
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 06:26 PM
Apr 2020

I'm glad he is responding to this. The story is starting to get too much attention and needs to be snipped in the bud.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
8. You don't praise your assaulter's quest against violence against women
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:09 PM
Apr 2020

and you don't praise him for other topics until he decides to run against your preferred candidate, you don't choose not to talk to the press about it out of respect to the person who raped you and you don't say your story isn't a story about sexual misconduct when it's rape. You don't file a police report without naming the person you accuse while at the same time having no problem smearing that person in public.

Only those with bad intentions or those who didn't pay attention how her story changed over the last 2 months when a certain candidate got his ass handed to him can take her crazy claims seriously.
There isn't even any doubt that she's a liar. Her initial story literally said it's not sexual misconduct but about touching the shoulder.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
14. Your story may not have changed as you've told it to others over the years.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:25 PM
Apr 2020

It is not uncommon for other victims to have different experiences.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
15. How common is it to go
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:29 PM
Apr 2020

from "It wasn't sexual misconduct but he touched my shoulder and it made me feel uncomfortable" to "It was rape" with a scenario similar to a fictional assault depicted in a book by her father?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
16. Pushing fingers into a genital area is a pretty common consensual activity as well as a not
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:32 PM
Apr 2020

uncommon form of assault, no? The book by her dad is a weird thing to rope in, IMO.

Victims will often tell part of the story and then let more details drop over time. It happens.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
17. Sure, victims may tell their stories in parts
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:43 PM
Apr 2020

and I'd agree, lets forget about all the other side stories, but please explain how you can go from "It wasn't sexual misconduct" to "It's rape". How is pushing fingers into someone's genital area not sexual? It's not a question about how common her story is. It's that she literally said that it wasn't sexual misconduct until Bernie started losing.

Seriously, one can rationalize every inconsistency away but the holes in her story are so obvious and I'm amazed that many choose not to see it.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
20. Because that is around the time her story changed
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:51 PM
Apr 2020

but I regret mentioning that angle because you used that as yet another excuse to fully ignore the relevant points.
But I guess there's a reason why you don't want to answer how one could possibly go from "It wasn't sexual misconduct" to "It's rape".

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
22. No, I'm just making the point that her story was one thing until it was another, which is not
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:58 PM
Apr 2020

uncommon among victims.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
27. Lets get real here...most are promoting the story in the hopes that somehow it will hurt Biden
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:16 PM
Apr 2020

sufficiently for Sanders to become the nominee...won't happen of course. But even the effort only helps Trump.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
33. And many are are embracing rhetoric that hurts all victims in an effort to support Biden.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:39 PM
Apr 2020

That's what I'm pushing back on.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
36. Tara and her supporters are the ones hurting all victims.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:45 PM
Apr 2020

The only people who believe this crap are people with an ax to grind.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
19. sure but she didn't do that
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:51 PM
Apr 2020

she didn't tell parts of the story, she told one person at the time it was some sort of rape, she told another person it was harassment.

She told the world she left for reasons unrelated to Biden, and then praised him repeatedly. Until 2018, the year after she declared bankruptcy, when she started to go after Biden politically and then followed it up with saying he harassed her via a touch, which she was adamant was non-sexual...her words.

Then a year later, she told the world the current version, which is completely different in every respect from when/where it happened to what happened.

So no, as someone who has actually put people in jail for sex assault, I deny your assertion that what she is doing is typical of women who are sexual assault victims. It's not common at all. It does not "happen."

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
21. .
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 03:58 PM
Apr 2020
she didn't tell parts of the story, she told one person at the time it was some sort of rape, she told another person it was harassment.
This is not uncommon.

She told the world she left for reasons unrelated to Biden, and then praised him repeatedly. Until 2018, the year after she declared bankruptcy, when she started to go after Biden politically and then followed it up with saying he harassed her via a touch, which she was adamant was non-sexual...her words.
This is also not uncommon when people are assaulted by someone they know and/or respect.

So no, as someone who has actually put people in jail for sex assault, I deny your assertion that what she is doing is typical of women who are sexual assault victims. It's not common at all. It does not "happen."


While I'm not a fan of cops, The International Association of Chiefs of Police published a paper stressing that no corroboration, story discrepancies over time and changing details are not evidence of a fabricated report and are common reactions to sexual assault.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
26. You really think a woman would say a man who raped her is good on Violence against Women? Do you
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:14 PM
Apr 2020

really think a woman who was raped would say anything nice about her rapist? You defend her because you want her story to be true because you don't like Biden, but it is a lie and that won't change. She is a politically motivate liar. And I despise her. Why you ask?The reason is that I am a victim of rape, and women like her who use sexual assault as political weapon are the reason women like me are not believed.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,448 posts)
34. I'm not defending her.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:40 PM
Apr 2020

I'm saying that it is not unusual for victims to have or express conflicting feelings about people who assault them, and that saying she's not acting like a "real" victim hurts all victims.

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
46. Exactly
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 05:26 PM
Apr 2020

Accusers like Reade not only ruin other people's lives and careers, they hurt victims of real sexual assault, who live in fear that they will not be believed. There is something really low about any woman who would lie about something like this. It trivializes something that is extremely serious and traumatic for so many women.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
30. have you tried a case?
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:23 PM
Apr 2020

No? Of course you haven't. So yes, it is uncommon.

And complete 180s and multiple versions are NOT common reactions to a sexual assault.

But I am curious what WOULD be evidence of a fabricated report...since you are the expert on this apparently?

Old Terp

(464 posts)
37. When this happened, we all wore panty hose.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:49 PM
Apr 2020

So, no, this would not happen in a busy Senate hallway. She also appears to be a scammer who does not stick close to the truth.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
56. Except she is not a victim.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 06:31 PM
Apr 2020

She is a Russian asset. Sorry, anyone who heaps effusive praise on Putin deserves to be viewed skeptically.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
28. She also praised Biden on this very issue...violence against women.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:17 PM
Apr 2020

That would never happen if her story was true.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
23. I am the victim of assault and remember every detail. My story has never changed...that is what
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:09 PM
Apr 2020

happens when one is telling the truth. Nor would I ever praise the man who assaulted me.

salin

(48,955 posts)
44. My experience as well.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 05:10 PM
Apr 2020

Although, I did try to down play it a bit, in the beginning, because it was so traumatic to work through. That said, the next morning I spoke with a room mate, and she brought to mutual friends to me to talk, who had also survived assault/rape. It told all three of them the whole story. In the 3+ decades since, the details have not changed. I just didn't talk much about in the period of time (several years after the rape) - which was my way of down playing it. I did not change details.

AJT

(5,240 posts)
24. From USA Today. The author goes through her story piece by piece.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:11 PM
Apr 2020

He was a prosecutor of sexual assaulters.

Sexual assault claim against Biden makes me skeptical: Ex-prosecutor

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

 

zak247

(251 posts)
29. Stop convicting people over mere allegations
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:20 PM
Apr 2020

I am for universally being impartial ON ALL allegations of crimes sex or not against people.

So, in this instance, politics gets involved and people aren’t partial at all.

I wasn’t for convicting Kavanagh, or other politicians Dem or GOP who are merely accused.

Either an investigation or hearing should be done in cases like this or they should be forgotten about since they can’t be proven one way or the other.

The lady didn’t go to the police at the time nor did she even report it to her own office.


We need to stop convicting people over mere allegations universally, in this case, and all others.

Kaiserguy

(740 posts)
31. Seem that only Democratic politician
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:32 PM
Apr 2020

are being convicted over allegations. How many women have accused Trump, and what was that Trump said he did to women on tape and yet he gets a free pass from Millions of American.

PatSeg

(47,609 posts)
48. And ever since the #MeToo movement took off,
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 05:34 PM
Apr 2020

there have been republican operatives ready and willing to use it against Democratic politicians. Roger Stone and his pals took down Al Franken, so now they will use it every chance they get.

BlueLucy

(1,609 posts)
38. I am a sexual assault survivor.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:50 PM
Apr 2020

We don't go from scared to talk to screaming rape to the world in the way that she did ever. Not ever.

videohead5

(2,181 posts)
40. I believe Joe
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:54 PM
Apr 2020

It's just plain and simple. Joe has never been known as a womanizer. I just believe he would never cheat on Jill or even try.

hadEnuf

(2,213 posts)
47. Honestly, is there anyone here that really thinks this accusation against Biden
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 05:29 PM
Apr 2020

is NOT a cooked up smear by the scumbag right wing? How many times have they pulled this shit before?

Reade's story is all over the place and is not credible. End of story. It's all right wing bullshit.

Period.

TygrBright

(20,771 posts)
50. This. Just this.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 05:54 PM
Apr 2020

You may remember a few more peripheral details... whether the curtains were open, the color of the floor tiles...

But you never forget a nanosecond of what you endured and what your assaulter was doing to you and saying, etc.

This is an opportunist seeking attention and validation and probably lucrative media contracts.

wearily,
Bright

Gothmog

(145,618 posts)
57. Ths story has far too many holes and changes to be credible
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 08:51 PM
Apr 2020



►People who contradict Reade’s claim. After the alleged assault, Reade said she complained about Biden's harassment to Marianne Baker, Biden’s executive assistant, as well as to top aides Dennis Toner and Ted Kaufman. All three Biden staffers recently told The New York Times that she made no complaint to them.
And they did not offer the standard, noncommittal “I don’t remember any such complaint.” The denials were firm. “She did not come to me. If she had, I would have remembered her,” Kaufman said. Toner made a similar statement. And from Baker: “I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct (by Biden), period." Baker said such a complaint, had Reade made it, "would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager.”
►Missing formal complaint. Reade told The Times she filed a written complaint against Biden with the Senate personnel office. But The Times could not find any complaint. When The Times asked Reade for a copy of the complaint, she said she did not have it. Yet she maintained and provided a copy of her 1993 Senate employment records.
It is odd that Reade kept a copy of her employment records but did not keep a copy of a complaint documenting criminal conduct by a man whose improprieties changed “the trajectory” of her life. It’s equally odd The Times was unable to find a copy of the alleged Senate complaint.
►Memory lapse. Reade has said that she cannot remember the date, time or exact location of the alleged assault, except that it occurred in a “semiprivate” area in corridors connecting Senate buildings. After I left the Justice Department, I was appointed by the federal court in Los Angeles to represent indigent defendants. The first thing that comes to mind from my defense attorney perspective is that Reade’s amnesia about specifics makes it impossible for Biden to go through records and prove he could not have committed the assault, because he was somewhere else at the time.
For instance, if Reade alleged Biden assaulted her on the afternoon of June 3, 1993, Biden might be able to prove he was on the Senate floor or at the dentist. Her memory lapses could easily be perceived as bulletproofing a false allegation.
►The lie about losing her job. Reade told The Union that Biden wanted her to serve drinks at an event. After she refused, "she felt pushed out and left Biden's employ," the newspaper said last April. But Reade claimed this month in her Times interview that after she filed a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate personnel office, she faced retaliation and was fired by Biden’s chief of staff.
Leaving a job after refusing to serve drinks at a Biden fundraiser is vastly different than being fired as retaliation for filing a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate. The disparity raises questions about Reade’s credibility and account of events.
►Compliments for Biden. In the 1990s, Biden worked to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade retweeted or “liked” praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: “My old boss speaks truth. Listen.” It is bizarre that Reade would publicly laud Biden for combating the very thing she would later accuse him of doing to her.

Bettie

(16,129 posts)
62. Unfortunately, all they need is for it to be the lead story
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:05 AM
May 2020

on every newscast.

It was the lead on the top of the hour AP newsbreak.

Happy Hoosier

(7,395 posts)
63. She's a liar.
Fri May 1, 2020, 10:19 AM
May 2020

I am a survivor of childhood sexual assault. That "Tick Tock" tweet killed her credibility for me. No victim is that calculating about their trauma, in my experience.

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