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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am sorry, but the Reade story is changing and growing by the minute and I do not buy it
for a second.
As a survivor of sexual assault.. after 27 years, you know what happened or did not happen.. it does not grow and change with the wind.
BittyJenkins
(411 posts)victims and then bring up Reader. First Come first serve.
C_U_L8R
(45,021 posts)That's the only reason this tractionless smear is getting any attention at all... from paid bots.
Maraya1969
(22,504 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)I-am-sancho
(2 posts)Theres nothing more to say on it. Any statement is just opening himself up for new lines of attack. Refer to the original statement, and dont give it anymore attention than it deserves.
marble falls
(57,257 posts)still_one
(92,419 posts)to deny it now would make it into a bigger story than it is! It would accomplish nothing!
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)You are so right. Plus, he has to be extra careful not to insult her or say anything that would accuse her of making it up. That's what real perpetrators have done (successfully) in the past. He mustn't seem to be putting her down or calling her crazy. The best he can do is assert his innocence.
Walleye
(31,062 posts)PatSeg
(47,609 posts)nolabear
(41,991 posts)I guess Ill record it but I hate getting everything three hours late.
PatSeg
(47,609 posts)I used to be in California and I sometimes recorded Morning Joe. Now I'm on the East Coast, but I still rarely get up that early, so I set it to record.
nolabear
(41,991 posts)PatSeg
(47,609 posts)I'm glad he is responding to this. The story is starting to get too much attention and needs to be snipped in the bud.
pwb
(11,292 posts)Same same.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)where the mind says 'just say no', but I click anyway.
pwb
(11,292 posts)I feel been there saw that not again Vlad.
Hav
(5,969 posts)and you don't praise him for other topics until he decides to run against your preferred candidate, you don't choose not to talk to the press about it out of respect to the person who raped you and you don't say your story isn't a story about sexual misconduct when it's rape. You don't file a police report without naming the person you accuse while at the same time having no problem smearing that person in public.
Only those with bad intentions or those who didn't pay attention how her story changed over the last 2 months when a certain candidate got his ass handed to him can take her crazy claims seriously.
There isn't even any doubt that she's a liar. Her initial story literally said it's not sexual misconduct but about touching the shoulder.
great observations!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)It is not uncommon for other victims to have different experiences.
Hav
(5,969 posts)from "It wasn't sexual misconduct but he touched my shoulder and it made me feel uncomfortable" to "It was rape" with a scenario similar to a fictional assault depicted in a book by her father?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)uncommon form of assault, no? The book by her dad is a weird thing to rope in, IMO.
Victims will often tell part of the story and then let more details drop over time. It happens.
Hav
(5,969 posts)and I'd agree, lets forget about all the other side stories, but please explain how you can go from "It wasn't sexual misconduct" to "It's rape". How is pushing fingers into someone's genital area not sexual? It's not a question about how common her story is. It's that she literally said that it wasn't sexual misconduct until Bernie started losing.
Seriously, one can rationalize every inconsistency away but the holes in her story are so obvious and I'm amazed that many choose not to see it.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)Hav
(5,969 posts)but I regret mentioning that angle because you used that as yet another excuse to fully ignore the relevant points.
But I guess there's a reason why you don't want to answer how one could possibly go from "It wasn't sexual misconduct" to "It's rape".
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)uncommon among victims.
OnDoutside
(19,974 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)sufficiently for Sanders to become the nominee...won't happen of course. But even the effort only helps Trump.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)That's what I'm pushing back on.
BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)The only people who believe this crap are people with an ax to grind.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)qazplm135
(7,447 posts)she didn't tell parts of the story, she told one person at the time it was some sort of rape, she told another person it was harassment.
She told the world she left for reasons unrelated to Biden, and then praised him repeatedly. Until 2018, the year after she declared bankruptcy, when she started to go after Biden politically and then followed it up with saying he harassed her via a touch, which she was adamant was non-sexual...her words.
Then a year later, she told the world the current version, which is completely different in every respect from when/where it happened to what happened.
So no, as someone who has actually put people in jail for sex assault, I deny your assertion that what she is doing is typical of women who are sexual assault victims. It's not common at all. It does not "happen."
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)While I'm not a fan of cops, The International Association of Chiefs of Police published a paper stressing that no corroboration, story discrepancies over time and changing details are not evidence of a fabricated report and are common reactions to sexual assault.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)really think a woman who was raped would say anything nice about her rapist? You defend her because you want her story to be true because you don't like Biden, but it is a lie and that won't change. She is a politically motivate liar. And I despise her. Why you ask?The reason is that I am a victim of rape, and women like her who use sexual assault as political weapon are the reason women like me are not believed.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)I'm saying that it is not unusual for victims to have or express conflicting feelings about people who assault them, and that saying she's not acting like a "real" victim hurts all victims.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)It's clear you're defending
PatSeg
(47,609 posts)Accusers like Reade not only ruin other people's lives and careers, they hurt victims of real sexual assault, who live in fear that they will not be believed. There is something really low about any woman who would lie about something like this. It trivializes something that is extremely serious and traumatic for so many women.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)No? Of course you haven't. So yes, it is uncommon.
And complete 180s and multiple versions are NOT common reactions to a sexual assault.
But I am curious what WOULD be evidence of a fabricated report...since you are the expert on this apparently?
Old Terp
(464 posts)So, no, this would not happen in a busy Senate hallway. She also appears to be a scammer who does not stick close to the truth.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)She is a Russian asset. Sorry, anyone who heaps effusive praise on Putin deserves to be viewed skeptically.
rockfordfile
(8,704 posts)Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)That would never happen if her story was true.
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)happens when one is telling the truth. Nor would I ever praise the man who assaulted me.
salin
(48,955 posts)Although, I did try to down play it a bit, in the beginning, because it was so traumatic to work through. That said, the next morning I spoke with a room mate, and she brought to mutual friends to me to talk, who had also survived assault/rape. It told all three of them the whole story. In the 3+ decades since, the details have not changed. I just didn't talk much about in the period of time (several years after the rape) - which was my way of down playing it. I did not change details.
AJT
(5,240 posts)He was a prosecutor of sexual assaulters.
Sexual assault claim against Biden makes me skeptical: Ex-prosecutor
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/
samnsara
(17,636 posts)zak247
(251 posts)I am for universally being impartial ON ALL allegations of crimes sex or not against people.
So, in this instance, politics gets involved and people arent partial at all.
I wasnt for convicting Kavanagh, or other politicians Dem or GOP who are merely accused.
Either an investigation or hearing should be done in cases like this or they should be forgotten about since they cant be proven one way or the other.
The lady didnt go to the police at the time nor did she even report it to her own office.
We need to stop convicting people over mere allegations universally, in this case, and all others.
Kaiserguy
(740 posts)are being convicted over allegations. How many women have accused Trump, and what was that Trump said he did to women on tape and yet he gets a free pass from Millions of American.
PatSeg
(47,609 posts)there have been republican operatives ready and willing to use it against Democratic politicians. Roger Stone and his pals took down Al Franken, so now they will use it every chance they get.
pazzyanne
(6,557 posts)Thank you, Peacetrain!
mwb970
(11,366 posts)BlueLucy
(1,609 posts)We don't go from scared to talk to screaming rape to the world in the way that she did ever. Not ever.
we can do it
(12,196 posts)videohead5
(2,181 posts)It's just plain and simple. Joe has never been known as a womanizer. I just believe he would never cheat on Jill or even try.
bluescribbler
(2,123 posts)My story hasn't changed by as much as a comma in the 50+ years since it happened to me.
hadEnuf
(2,213 posts)is NOT a cooked up smear by the scumbag right wing? How many times have they pulled this shit before?
Reade's story is all over the place and is not credible. End of story. It's all right wing bullshit.
Period.
TygrBright
(20,771 posts)You may remember a few more peripheral details... whether the curtains were open, the color of the floor tiles...
But you never forget a nanosecond of what you endured and what your assaulter was doing to you and saying, etc.
This is an opportunist seeking attention and validation and probably lucrative media contracts.
wearily,
Bright
Gothmog
(145,618 posts)Link to tweet
And they did not offer the standard, noncommittal I dont remember any such complaint. The denials were firm. She did not come to me. If she had, I would have remembered her, Kaufman said. Toner made a similar statement. And from Baker: I never once witnessed, or heard of, or received, any reports of inappropriate conduct (by Biden), period." Baker said such a complaint, had Reade made it, "would have left a searing impression on me as a woman professional, and as a manager.
►Missing formal complaint. Reade told The Times she filed a written complaint against Biden with the Senate personnel office. But The Times could not find any complaint. When The Times asked Reade for a copy of the complaint, she said she did not have it. Yet she maintained and provided a copy of her 1993 Senate employment records.
It is odd that Reade kept a copy of her employment records but did not keep a copy of a complaint documenting criminal conduct by a man whose improprieties changed the trajectory of her life. Its equally odd The Times was unable to find a copy of the alleged Senate complaint.
►Memory lapse. Reade has said that she cannot remember the date, time or exact location of the alleged assault, except that it occurred in a semiprivate area in corridors connecting Senate buildings. After I left the Justice Department, I was appointed by the federal court in Los Angeles to represent indigent defendants. The first thing that comes to mind from my defense attorney perspective is that Reades amnesia about specifics makes it impossible for Biden to go through records and prove he could not have committed the assault, because he was somewhere else at the time.
For instance, if Reade alleged Biden assaulted her on the afternoon of June 3, 1993, Biden might be able to prove he was on the Senate floor or at the dentist. Her memory lapses could easily be perceived as bulletproofing a false allegation.
►The lie about losing her job. Reade told The Union that Biden wanted her to serve drinks at an event. After she refused, "she felt pushed out and left Biden's employ," the newspaper said last April. But Reade claimed this month in her Times interview that after she filed a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate personnel office, she faced retaliation and was fired by Bidens chief of staff.
Leaving a job after refusing to serve drinks at a Biden fundraiser is vastly different than being fired as retaliation for filing a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate. The disparity raises questions about Reades credibility and account of events.
►Compliments for Biden. In the 1990s, Biden worked to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade retweeted or liked praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: My old boss speaks truth. Listen. It is bizarre that Reade would publicly laud Biden for combating the very thing she would later accuse him of doing to her.
Gothmog
(145,618 posts)Link to tweet
?s=20
Bettie
(16,129 posts)on every newscast.
It was the lead on the top of the hour AP newsbreak.
Happy Hoosier
(7,395 posts)I am a survivor of childhood sexual assault. That "Tick Tock" tweet killed her credibility for me. No victim is that calculating about their trauma, in my experience.
Gothmog
(145,618 posts)Peacetrain
(22,879 posts)thanks for posting