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Suburban Warrior

(405 posts)
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 01:35 AM Apr 2020

Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor

Michael J. Stern
Opinion columnist

During 28 years as a state and federal prosecutor, I prosecuted a lot of sexual assault cases. The vast majority came early in my career, when I was a young attorney at a prosecutor’s office outside Detroit.

A year ago, Tara Reade accused former Vice President Joe Biden of touching her shoulder and neck in a way that made her uncomfortable, when she worked for him as a staff assistant in 1993. Then last month, Reade told an interviewer that Biden stuck his hand under her skirt and forcibly penetrated her with his fingers. Biden denies the allegation.

When women make allegations of sexual assault, my default response is to believe them. But as the news media have investigated Reade’s allegations, I’ve become increasingly skeptical. Here are some of the reasons why:

►Delayed reporting … twice. Reade waited 27 years to publicly report her allegation that Biden sexually assaulted her. I understand that victims of sexual assault often do not come forward immediately because recounting the most violent and degrading experience of their lives, to a bunch of strangers, is the proverbial insult to injury. That so many women were willing to wait in my dreary government office, as I ran to the restroom to pull myself together after listening to their stories, is a testament to their fortitude.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

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Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor (Original Post) Suburban Warrior Apr 2020 OP
This is a very compelling article Gothmog Apr 2020 #1
Do you believe that Tara Reade's claim would have shown up during that vetting if true? Gothmog Apr 2020 #16
Read the entire article. Yes, it was weitten by an attorney, but one with prosecuting sex assault napi21 Apr 2020 #2
The police have moved it to inactive. Historic NY Apr 2020 #3
If I didn't know he was otherwise occupied canetoad Apr 2020 #4
And Putin's fingerprints. She is now all-in praising Putin, reportedly even writing in Russian. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #7
Roger has protoges. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2020 #13
Thanks for the new word-impecunious. panader0 Apr 2020 #14
Thank you for posting this Vogon_Glory Apr 2020 #5
She went from "uncomfortable touching" to"vaginal rape" Teisofo Apr 2020 #6
That was a good article and I'm glad he wrote it. I haven't found Reade credible from the Vinca Apr 2020 #8
Good opinion, but not exactly non-partisan. jmg257 Apr 2020 #9
True but a good argument Hav Apr 2020 #10
Agree - He posted this thread on twitter, so his leanings are eveident. jmg257 Apr 2020 #11
Jill Wine Banks disagrees with your opinion Gothmog May 2020 #19
Larry Tribe agrees with this article Gothmog May 2020 #18
more........ riversedge Apr 2020 #12
more.......... riversedge Apr 2020 #15
Legal experts confirm that the allegations against Joe Biden aren't remotely credible. Gothmog May 2020 #17
Jill Wine Banks agrees with this article Gothmog May 2020 #20
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2020 #21
Great statement by Joe Gothmog May 2020 #22
Mika went through a recap of all the ins and outs of this Tara Reade/Joe Biden matter. Gothmog May 2020 #23

Gothmog

(145,610 posts)
1. This is a very compelling article
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:07 AM
Apr 2020

Last edited Thu Apr 30, 2020, 08:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Here is more from this article




►Missing formal complaint. Reade told The Times she filed a written complaint against Biden with the Senate personnel office. But The Times could not find any complaint. When The Times asked Reade for a copy of the complaint, she said she did not have it. Yet she maintained and provided a copy of her 1993 Senate employment records.
It is odd that Reade kept a copy of her employment records but did not keep a copy of a complaint documenting criminal conduct by a man whose improprieties changed “the trajectory” of her life. It’s equally odd The Times was unable to find a copy of the alleged Senate complaint.
►Memory lapse. Reade has said that she cannot remember the date, time or exact location of the alleged assault, except that it occurred in a “semiprivate” area in corridors connecting Senate buildings. After I left the Justice Department, I was appointed by the federal court in Los Angeles to represent indigent defendants. The first thing that comes to mind from my defense attorney perspective is that Reade’s amnesia about specifics makes it impossible for Biden to go through records and prove he could not have committed the assault, because he was somewhere else at the time.
For instance, if Reade alleged Biden assaulted her on the afternoon of June 3, 1993, Biden might be able to prove he was on the Senate floor or at the dentist. Her memory lapses could easily be perceived as bulletproofing a false allegation.
►The lie about losing her job. Reade told The Union that Biden wanted her to serve drinks at an event. After she refused, "she felt pushed out and left Biden's employ," the newspaper said last April. But Reade claimed this month in her Times interview that after she filed a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate personnel office, she faced retaliation and was fired by Biden’s chief of staff.
Leaving a job after refusing to serve drinks at a Biden fundraiser is vastly different than being fired as retaliation for filing a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate. The disparity raises questions about Reade’s credibility and account of events.
►Compliments for Biden. In the 1990s, Biden worked to pass the Violence Against Women Act. In 2017, on multiple occasions, Reade retweeted or “liked” praise for Biden and his work combating sexual assault. In the same year, Reade tweeted other compliments of Biden, including: “My old boss speaks truth. Listen.” It is bizarre that Reade would publicly laud Biden for combating the very thing she would later accuse him of doing to her.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
2. Read the entire article. Yes, it was weitten by an attorney, but one with prosecuting sex assault
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 02:12 AM
Apr 2020

cases. He explained his reasons for skepticism with facts.

canetoad

(17,192 posts)
4. If I didn't know he was otherwise occupied
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 04:19 AM
Apr 2020

I'd say this has Roger Stone's filthy fingers all over it.

Reade is impecunious. They need to find out who's paying her.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,199 posts)
13. Roger has protoges.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 08:26 AM
Apr 2020

I’m sure there are many mini-Rogers out there, not to mention many others who are being put up to things by certain, ahem, foreign governments.

Vogon_Glory

(9,132 posts)
5. Thank you for posting this
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 05:00 AM
Apr 2020

The Reade allegations have been extremely unsettling, as have been the mainstream broadcast news articles about them. The most I’d seen was a “she said, he said” followed by a “she said, and her friends say she said”-type articles. We need more in-depth investigation. I am not a 24/7 news junkie and I would not have found this article if you hadn’t posted it.

 

Teisofo

(18 posts)
6. She went from "uncomfortable touching" to"vaginal rape"
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 05:23 AM
Apr 2020

Both versions after Biden ran for president 27 years after the alleged fact.
We need more articles like this.

Vinca

(50,310 posts)
8. That was a good article and I'm glad he wrote it. I haven't found Reade credible from the
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 07:34 AM
Apr 2020

beginning because of what she claimed Biden said after she first rebuffed him. This was after the first report of touching. She stated Biden started a response to her with "C'mon, man." That just doesn't ring true. Having survived the pink ghetto for a part of my younger days, I know men of Biden's age might have said "C'mon, honey" or "C'mon, sweetie," but they wouldn't say "C'mon, man" to a woman they were trying to make time with. I also think Reade upped the ante to digital penetration after the first claim flopped. She wants Bernie as a nominee and the only thing standing in his way is Biden.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
9. Good opinion, but not exactly non-partisan.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 07:43 AM
Apr 2020
Michael J. Stern
@MichaelJStern1
@USAToday
opinion columnist. Former Justice Department prosecutor. #Resisting all things Trump

Hav

(5,969 posts)
10. True but a good argument
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 08:00 AM
Apr 2020

should be judged on its own. We all have biases and although our experiences and sentiments influence us, we can still try to make objective observations. If someone can only counter arguments by pointing at the person's political leanings, then the argument pretty much won by default.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
11. Agree - He posted this thread on twitter, so his leanings are eveident.
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 08:04 AM
Apr 2020

Re: Not sure how much weight it will carry for those trump-leaning idiots who read it.

riversedge

(70,307 posts)
12. more........
Thu Apr 30, 2020, 08:09 AM
Apr 2020



►Missing formal complaint.
Reade told The Times she filed a written complaint against Biden with the Senate personnel office. But The Times could not find any complaint. When The Times asked Reade for a copy of the complaint, she said she did not have it. Yet she maintained and provided a copy of her 1993 Senate employment records.

It is odd that Reade kept a copy of her employment records but did not keep a copy of a complaint documenting criminal conduct by a man whose improprieties changed “the trajectory” of her life. It’s equally odd The Times was unable to find a copy of the alleged Senate complaint.

►Memory lapse. Reade has said that she cannot remember the date, time or exact location of the alleged assault, except that it occurred in a “semiprivate” area in corridors connecting Senate buildings. After I left the Justice Department, I was appointed by the federal court in Los Angeles to represent indigent defendants. The first thing that comes to mind from my defense attorney perspective is that Reade’s amnesia about specifics makes it impossible for Biden to go through records and prove he could not have committed the assault, because he was somewhere else at the time.

For instance, if Reade alleged Biden assaulted her on the afternoon of June 3, 1993, Biden might be able to prove he was on the Senate floor or at the dentist. Her memory lapses could easily be perceived as bulletproofing a false allegation.

►The lie about losing her job
. Reade told The Union that Biden wanted her to serve drinks at an event. After she refused, "she felt pushed out and left Biden's employ," the newspaper said last April. But Reade claimed this month in her Times interview that after she filed a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate personnel office, she faced retaliation and was fired by Biden’s chief of staff.

Leaving a job after refusing to serve drinks at a Biden fundraiser is vastly different than being fired as retaliation for filing a sexual harassment complaint with the Senate. The disparity raises questions about Reade’s credibility and account of events.

►Compliments for Biden.
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. +1000
Fri May 1, 2020, 04:38 AM
May 2020

I'm not buying her story at all. She is not a credible witness and this just smacks of a partisan hit job.

Gothmog

(145,610 posts)
23. Mika went through a recap of all the ins and outs of this Tara Reade/Joe Biden matter.
Mon May 4, 2020, 08:22 PM
May 2020

Mika is clearing up the record


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