I am suspicious....the "Rich" are taking Convalesent COVID 19 plasma/ antibodies.

[FarPoint]

Our cowardly leaders, tRump, Pence...GOP'ers ….I sense their arrogance with the COVID 19 Virus is because they are receiving the COVID-19 antibodies...I sense there is a big secret amongst them...they have some protection….while we are NOT protected and are just " nobodies" to them...

Just a thought...I sense Boris Johnson received the antibody plasma too...before he needed to be intubated...then recovered in 3 days in ICU..

Pence said openly yesterday at the Mayo Clinic..." I get tested for COVID-19 all the time, I don't have it"...hell, we can't get tested once! They get tested because they know it is lethal...just saying.

It is just a speculative thought...

[Vinca]

1. Why is that not "business as usual?"

The rich never have to worry about their health care. On the other end of the spectrum, many people will be finding themselves in medical bankruptcy and the whole thing will have ruined their lives. Actually, that's not the other end of the spectrum, it's the entire spectrum except the wealthy. Everyone needs equal access to medical care without fear of ruination.

[riverwalker]

7. Like Cheney's heart transplant

I’ve always wondered how he leap frogged his way to the top of the recipient waiting list.

[canuckledragger]

25. I beleive it had something to do with availability

Something about nothing stopping him for signing up on every waiting list he can, with the catch being you have to be there, at location in a flash, when an opening becomes available.

Something the poor can't do but Cheney can, having private jets and all...

[dawg day]

2. They can be the Guinea pigs

If it's a dangerous treatment, they can find out first.

[FarPoint]

5. Immunoglobulin is given daily to most autoimmune comprimised clients...

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This is a very common practice, home infusions for CIDP, multiple autoimmune diseases, Gillian Barre Syndrome...very well proven to be a safe infusion under strict protocols...I believe COVID-19 hospital patients were the first test subjects...for the COVID-19 antibodies...

Maybe I need to clarify....it is possible, with consent that some COVID 19 patients were given the COVID-19 antibodies to see if it would stop the virus progression...

[ecstatic]

3. They definitely have a back up plan, that's for sure. Nt

[FarPoint]

4. I feel it too.

These cowards are just too arrogant with this Virus...the dots just do not connect....

[brooklynite]

6. Whats the difference between a "speculative thought" and a "conspiracy theory"?

[FarPoint]

8. I base this on my clinical experience...

So it is my speculation... Connecting the dots now.. There cavalier attitude just is too comfortable for them.

[jimfields33]

9. Read number 5. Oops.

[FarPoint]

11. I don't get your point?

What do you mean?

[jimfields33]

13. We're giving the antibodies to all patients.

[FarPoint]

15. I don't believe so...

Still not getting your drift...

[jimfields33]

16. In post 5 it clearly says they are.

[FarPoint]

18. I added a clarification...

Did that help?

[jimfields33]

24. Yes. Thank you!

Have a great day!!!!

[Texin]

30. No, they're not. The use (and the availability) of convalescent antibodies is minimal.

There aren't enough overall tests as yet to test a wide range of people to determine who has been infected and "recovered" or never sickened to provide a large pool of collectible antibodies for use. It's just not widespread enough yet. I fully expect that government "officials" and the wealthy have access when needed to the antibody regimen.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. Your facts are wrong and you have NO evidence. Please don't spread baseless conspiracy theories.

Boris Johnson was never intubated.

Your baseless speculation is not helpful. Less than useless.

[FarPoint]

12. Correct...

Boris Johnson was not intubated; I said, I believe he got the plasma before he got to the intubation phase thus recovered...I don't care if you view this as a conspiracy theory...It is a sense of assessment, connecting the dots for me...

I just thought I'd share this thinking others may feel this too...To be honest, I don't even want to debate it...Either you find it interesting or you don't...

Everyone wants to " fight" suspect trolls...making DU not a comfortable discussion site for me much anymore.

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from OP..

.I sense Boris Johnson received the antibody plasma too...before he needed to be intubated...then recovered in 3 days in ICU..

[harumph]

14. I think your feeling is probably right

I was also commenting on the cavalier attitude of the white house - and said
that even if they did contract it - Trump or Pence would have the best care
whether it was plasma or an experimental anti-viral and folks from
Johns Hopkins secretly consulted. If you don't think that's the way these
guys operate - you're dreaming. We can all just fuck off and die.

[FarPoint]

17. That is my spectulative conclusion...

It just is way too arrogant of these " Leaders"... they are not brave individuals...they obviously are terrified being tested all the time...maybe that testing is understandable for any political leader...but the arrogance, not wearing masks , minimizing the lethality and trying to intentionally show their bases..." All is good, no mask for me, lets open up all of America"...just feels staged and manipulative to me...

[Texin]

31. I seem to recall that news reports indicated he'd received the antibody infusion.

[FarPoint]

19. Why are you so aggressive?

You use to engage in healthy discussion but this feels like you believe me to be a troll...a turn off for me.....Just thought you might appreciate the feedback...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

29. It's not you. You are not a troll, but we do not need conspiracy theories with NO evidence

It's not you. Usually I read your posts with interest. That how I started reading this thread. I'm not angry, just determined to help the DU community stay grounded in facts and reason and not go off on a jag based on purely idle speculation.

"Connecting the dots" is how the RW arrives at their conspiracy theories. You are obviously not RW or a troll, but the lack of logic is the same. I would like to illustrate using a prominent RW CT or two that connect the dots in the same fashion but I fear I would only anger you, which I do not want to do, because you have maintained an even keel in our discussion.

Your theory is conceivable. But that is a far leap from "likely". A leap that has no logical foundation or support. And your theory suffers from the main flaw that kills almost all conspiracy theories: too many people involved, too many moving parts. Serum donors, doctors diverting serum, shippers, doctors administering serum, hundreds or thousands of rich people and their families including kids receiving, etc. All with no leaks.

There is no question you have proposed a conspiracy theory. You propose a conspiracy of rich people to obtain and use serum in secret. It is at best a theory but is actually less than theory because you have no evidence. All you have are surmises. You don't have witnesses or whistleblowers or even anonymous sources. You have no reporting to base it on other than arrogant Pence in a roomful of masked people but he is not wearing one, which is easily explained when one considers the economic thrust of tRump's re-election campaign. None of the reporting that WaPo or NYT or Guardian would be hot on the trail if it existed, like financial records, shipping manifests of diverted serum, key doctors pushing the serum idea showing up at back doors of VP residence, rich trust kids making mysterious suggestive tweets, cleaning staff noticing serum bags in trash, etc.

It is useless conspiracy theories that clog up discussions, have to be refuted, and suck oxygen out of discussing REAL conspiracies like what Kushner, Pence, and tRump are doing with vital PPE and supplies and Mnuchin and Barr are doing with disbursing billions of dollars.

[Hortensis]

33. Or characterize treatment as a an evil conspiracy.

People need to fight tendencies to conspiracism. It's not just a dangerous rabbit hole for individuals to disappear down, but proliferating conspiracism has become dangerous to democracy. Mostly on the far right, but also the far left. And this seems designed to appeal to both.

"There are plenty of conspiracy theories on the left—centred on dark money, finance, the secret machinations of capitalists, the military and so on.

But the new conspiracy without the theory is coming mainly from the right. That’s in part because it takes aim at the regulatory state and at credentialed experts (economists, climate scientists), and so aligns with absolutist anti-governmentalism as well as with those who view expertise as intrinsically elitist."

FarPoint, to believe wealthy people have secret cures they're hiding from everyone else, you have to believe that our liberal Democratic leaders are on it too.

See the danger to democracy?

Btw, this is also a grave insult to all the caring researchers and others around the planet who are working passionately to develop much better antibody treatments. Good people aren't about to all sell out in a murderous scheme like you imagine. And if a baaad research team somewhere did it, all the others would still be working to develop treatments for all of us.

[McKim]

20. I Have Long Suspected...

I have long suspected the same thing. They have some special medicine or early vaccine that makes them fearless. This then makes them appear more manly or god-like to their followers.
Pence at the Mayo Clinic yesterday was really a tip off. I as a 74 year old am afraid to schedule my cataract surgeries next month because it means spending time in a hospital. Yet Pence visits a health care facility with no protection. I agree with the poster, something else is going on.

[Orrex]

21. Bill Gates protects them with his weaponized 5G RFID chips

[ramen]

22. I think their stupidity is a far more likely explanation than your speculation,

given every other action ever taken by this administration. Without evidence, speculation can verge on conspiracy theorizing if one is not really careful, and I haven't bumped into any sources that suggest what you are seeing is currently happening. I think that the simplest explanation (idiocy rather than some sort of actual plan) is more likely here.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. I wouldn't doubt it. They don't seem to be worried personally at all.

[ooky]

26. I would bet on it. nt

[Initech]

27. I suggest googling "the adrenochrome theory".

There's a theory out there that celebrities were purposefully taking tainted batches of adrenochrome to purposefully infect themselves with COVID so they could gain immunity.

I wish I were making this up, but it's originating from the Q Anon idiots. Yeah that is a thing that exists.

[IronLionZion]

28. It will trickle down to the rest of us eventually

just like tax breaks and trillions in stimulus

[dawg]

32. Probably just a combination of vigorous testing of everyone who will come into contact with them ...

plus the entitled self-delusion of so-called "great" men that nothing bad can ever happen to them, charmed lives and all.

[Yavin4]

34. Literal blood sucking from the masses?

Has it come to this?

[HotTeaBag]

35. I have no doubt that most of the big players in the administration are being given things

as a precaution that are out of reach to most everyone else.

And I would want/demand the same for Obama or Biden or any other President.

I will add however, that I would certainly not be upset if Trump or Pence or Ivanka or Jared or McConnell or Miller or, or, or all contracted it.