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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat do the 58K Americans dead in the Vietnam War have in common with the 58K dead from COVID-19?
donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)Too bad he couldn't turn his back on his fear, but.alas, he is too weak.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)That is the difference.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)NotHardly
(1,062 posts)... however, if it keeps going exponentially, that number will be closer to 1 million Americans dead while the Trump Administration, all his agency heads, and all the agencies DO NOTHING while they continue to steal equipment and protective gear from the states.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)(a Captain who died in a training accident). The first combat casualties appear in 1959.
The last date is May 15, 1975.
Wounded Bear
(58,668 posts)tiptonic
(765 posts)U nailed it, Semper Fidelis!!
crickets
(25,981 posts)LakeVermilion
(1,042 posts)survived their time in Viet Nam, only to die a horrible death here because Trump's mind never honored them.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)Early and middle baby boomers.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)DBoon
(22,367 posts)The ones who blame the boomer generation for all manner of policy failures including global warming.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)That went through their own hell and back.
And at the end couldn't have their families around them when they died.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)That creature squatting in the WH has blood on his hands.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)All concerned were going to put on One Last Grand Show ((as the youngest US vet should have been born about 1933-4)) in DC.
ashredux
(2,606 posts)We lost...now we buy T-shirts made there and vacation there as well
No one can tell me why anyones son needed to die there
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Outrageous, and sickening lies and secrecy that allowed for the killing of thousands of my generation,
several of my close friends...
ashredux
(2,606 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)I drew 350.
Those years - what should have been the "best years of our lives"- totally sucked thanks to Kennedy, and mostly, Johnson and Nixon,
McNamara, et al.
ashredux
(2,606 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)ashredux
(2,606 posts)iluvtennis
(19,863 posts)JDC
(10,129 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Hotler
(11,425 posts)the whole repug party turned a back, the kings of selfishness and their "I have mine, fuck the rest of you." crowd.
majdrfrtim
(318 posts)though at least some in the former category may have died surrounded by their comrades-in-arms.
Also: Tragic, needless deaths, all.
flying_wahini
(6,606 posts)sandensea
(21,639 posts)Perfect!
IronLionZion
(45,454 posts)out of regret for his terrible mistakes. That's another big difference.
former9thward
(32,023 posts)He withdrew because he didn't think he could win. He supported a pro-war candidate, Humphrey, to take his place.
IronLionZion
(45,454 posts)in 1972 he endorsed McGovern, who opposed the war and wanted to end it.
Historians have debated his motivations.
I'll cherry pick this excerpt from his speech announcing it
https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/presidential-speeches/march-31-1968-remarks-decision-not-seek-re-election
former9thward
(32,023 posts)The peace agreement was signed two months later in January, 1973 five days after LBJ died. I would expect a former Democratic president to endorse a Democratic candidate for president no matter what anyway.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)debates.
Nixon was also trailing LBJ early on in the polls, so nominating someone closely aligned with LBJ would make sense.
The race between Nixon and HH wound up being very close, so there may have been something to that.
And yes, LBJ would have endorsed any eventual Democratic nominee.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)With Americans growing weary of the Vietnam War and increasingly discontent with his leadership, Johnson in his characteristically solemn style reiterated why the United States was fighting there and offered an olive branch to North Vietnam. He announced a halt to air and naval attacks north of the area immediately above the demilitarized zone and urged the Communist government in Hanoi to enter peace talks.
We are prepared to move immediately toward peace through negotiations, the president said.
I have concluded that I should not permit the presidency to become involved in the partisan divisions that are developing in this political year, Johnson said. With Americas sons in the fields far away, with Americas future under challenge right here at home, with our hopes and the worlds hopes for peace in the balance every day, I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes, or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office the presidency of your country. Accordingly, I shall not seek, and will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/03/31/a-pearl-harbor-in-politics-lbjs-stunning-decision-not-to-seek-reelection/
Understanding when one's campaign will do more harm to the country than good to one's own ambitions is something we could use more of, not less. Humphrey was his VP, so it was natural that he thought Humphrey would be qualified and would oppose any attacks on his signature legislation. He did, however refuse to compromise on the party plank with those who opposed the war. Lack of ability to reasonably compromise doesn't bode well for any politicians efficacy - either in office or on the campaign trail.
Like FDR, his presidential legacy is complicated - he produced Medicare, Medicaid and the Great Society Legislation.
FDR did get our economy back on track, and expanded government programs, but turned away thousands of Jews to their deaths because of anti-semitism, and incarcerated Asians.
There will never be a progressive politician with a spotless record, at least not one who was effective.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 30, 2020, 10:06 AM - Edit history (1)
Like FDR, his legacy is mixed with huge victories and horrible mistakes that took many lives.
LBJ didn't decide not to run out of regret, he decided to run because he thought he couldn't win. And he stated one could not be effectively trying to end a war while campaigning.
With Americans growing weary of the Vietnam War and increasingly discontent with his leadership, Johnson in his characteristically solemn style reiterated why the United States was fighting there and offered an olive branch to North Vietnam. He announced a halt to air and naval attacks north of the area immediately above the demilitarized zone and urged the Communist government in Hanoi to enter peace talks.
We are prepared to move immediately toward peace through negotiations, the president said.
I have concluded that I should not permit the presidency to become involved in the partisan divisions that are developing in this political year, Johnson said. With Americas sons in the fields far away, with Americas future under challenge right here at home, with our hopes and the worlds hopes for peace in the balance every day, I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes, or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office the presidency of your country. Accordingly, I shall not seek, and will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2018/03/31/a-pearl-harbor-in-politics-lbjs-stunning-decision-not-to-seek-reelection/
IronLionZion
(45,454 posts)His immigration reform and Medicare allowed my doctor grandparents to immigrate to America.
Indeed, things were looking bleak in 1968 with the Democratic Party deeply divided over various important issues including the war and civil rights. I doubt any Democrat could have won that year.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He was charismatic, passionate and inspiring, however, the things he participated in behind the scenes with his brother, in his less than popular actions, such as the Bay of Pigs invasion would have come out much sooner. I'm sure that organized crime would have been more than happy to be working against his victory, as Russia was with HRC.
The JFK gloss didn't always guarantee victory for his brothers.
There was also the backlash against all of the civil rights victories of the LBJ administration - LBJ himself stated, "Democrats have lost the South forever," about signing the Civil Rights act - a precursor to the backlash against eight years of a Black man in the White House.
Bobby was making it clear he would take those policies even further forward.
The 1968 race between Humphrey and Nixon wound up being very close.