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(85,998 posts)
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:13 PM Jan 2012

Santorum Accuses Pres. Obama Of 'Hubris' And 'Snobbery' For Wanting All U.S. Kids To Attend College

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from Sam Stein at HuffPo: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/07/rick-santorum-barack-obama_n_1191265.html?ref=politics


The most animated exchange of former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum's Saturday morning event in Manchester, N.H. came when he called out President Obama for his "hubris" and "snobbery" for proclaiming that all U.S. children should get a college education.

"I was so outraged by the president of the United States for standing up and saying every child in America should go to college. Well who are you? Who are you to say that every child in America should go to college? I mean, the hubris of this president to think that he knows what's best.

I have seven kids. Maybe they will all go to college. But if one of my kids wants to go and be an auto-mechanic, good for him. That's a good paying job: using your hands, using your mind. This is the kind of snobbery that we see from those who think they know how to run our lives. Rise up America, defend your own freedoms. And overthrow these folks who think they know how to orchestrate every aspect of your lives."

It was a memorable moment during the 30-minute question and answer session with the Pennsylvania Republican, winning him a nice applause from the crowd. The argument feeds into several narratives, whether it is Obama's alleged elitism or the intrusion of government into different facets of personal life. But Santorum could have chosen a better setting to unveil the new line. The event took place at St. Anselm's college.


read/watch: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/07/rick-santorum-barack-obama_n_1191265.html?ref=politics


President Obama has repeatedly said he wants the United States to have the highest proportion of college graduates in the world by 2020.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/education

Earlier this year, while announcing plans to reform "No Child Left Behind," Obama also said he intends for every student to graduate "career and college ready."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/03/14/president-obama-calls-congress-fix-no-child-left-behind-start-next-schoo

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Santorum Accuses Pres. Obama Of 'Hubris' And 'Snobbery' For Wanting All U.S. Kids To Attend College (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2012 OP
I don't know the Prez's quote, but I'm guessing he said that... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #1
Yes, he said in June that everyone should have the opportunity . . . Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #6
sanatorium wouldn't know hubris if it bit him on the ass, repeatedly. hobbit709 Jan 2012 #2
I'd bet that what the president said was that every child should have the "OPPORTUNITY" PA Democrat Jan 2012 #3
National Journal doubts whether Pres. Obama actually said what Romney accuses him of bigtree Jan 2012 #18
You want to orchestrate every aspect of my SEX life, sir. rocktivity Jan 2012 #4
I just took a look at St Anselm's.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #5
How is it snobbery to want all kids to go to college? liberal N proud Jan 2012 #7
It's just a bad plan. All kids don't want to go to college, and many won't be well served there. nt Romulox Jan 2012 #8
What plan? arcane1 Jan 2012 #13
If all of Rick Santorum's kids want to go to college, they'll have the opportunity. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #9
What a moron. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2012 #10
"folks who think they know how to orchestrate every aspect of your lives" arcane1 Jan 2012 #11
Hypocrisy is a Republican virtue grillo7 Jan 2012 #14
Dumbass has a point, although he is clueless. The college track for all is a mistake. WingDinger Jan 2012 #12
I agree, but everyone should have the OPPORTUNITY if they choose. NYC Liberal Jan 2012 #15
Just a pathetic little man. wandy Jan 2012 #16
Sam Stein just tweeted: "he (Obama) doesn't believe in free people" Santorum says. Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #17
Wow - more - Sam is tweeting all of this: Pirate Smile Jan 2012 #21
Wanting everyone to have the opportunity to go to college is the exact opposite of snobbery. drm604 Jan 2012 #19
He honestly doesn't know that one can both go to college and be an auto mechanic? RB TexLa Jan 2012 #20
Good point DesertRat Jan 2012 #30
santorum is the embodiment of hubris noiretextatique Jan 2012 #22
I think our education system should be more like the UKs justiceischeap Jan 2012 #23
WHAT IS IT that these Dumb Fuck GOPers say the most STOOPIDEST Things ON TV NO LESS?? opihimoimoi Jan 2012 #24
Consequences of the GI Bill prove Santorum wrong ProgressiveEconomist Jan 2012 #25
I remember older cousins talking about the older senior class..(men returning from WW2 and monmouth Jan 2012 #26
yeah because IcyPeas Jan 2012 #27
As A Child, I Never Thought About College otohara Jan 2012 #28
Spoken by a guy with a B.A., M.B.A. and a J.D. DesertRat Jan 2012 #29
The times I've seen Obama speak about education fujiyama Jan 2012 #31
Everyone shoud have the opportunity, if they want. But there are many people who shouldn't go to Brickbat Jan 2012 #32
Its going to take a college education to figure out how to make a living in a country rgbecker Jan 2012 #33

ClassWarrior

(26,316 posts)
1. I don't know the Prez's quote, but I'm guessing he said that...
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:17 PM
Jan 2012

...all kids should have the opportunity to go to college.

NGU.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
6. Yes, he said in June that everyone should have the opportunity . . .
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:21 PM
Jan 2012

He did say that everyone should pursue post-high school education or training, but didn't specify college. He also said that everyone should have the opportunity, and we should as a society see that avenues are available to assure those opportunities.

How radical.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
3. I'd bet that what the president said was that every child should have the "OPPORTUNITY"
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:18 PM
Jan 2012

to attend college. Of course, Rick would disagree with that as well, even though he himself was the beneficiary of Pell Grants.

College is not for everyone . Santorum is one of those people on whom it was wasted. After more than 7 years of college, he is still a moron.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
18. National Journal doubts whether Pres. Obama actually said what Romney accuses him of
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:17 PM
Jan 2012

____ Whether Obama said that is ambiguous. The president has said that America should be "graduating students who are ready for college and a career" which is a bold statement suggesting they should be qualified to attend college but not that they should necessarily go.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/santorum-slams-obama-hubris-and-snobbery--20120107?mrefid=election2012

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
4. You want to orchestrate every aspect of my SEX life, sir.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:19 PM
Jan 2012

So I'll guess I'll overthrow you first.


rocktivity

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. I just took a look at St Anselm's..
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:20 PM
Jan 2012

It definitely doesn't look like the sort of place that wants a lot of riff-raff running loose on campus..

And I say that as a raffish individual in good standing.

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)
7. How is it snobbery to want all kids to go to college?
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:23 PM
Jan 2012

I think it snobbish to exclude people from opportunity.

Why is college reserved for the rich kids?

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
9. If all of Rick Santorum's kids want to go to college, they'll have the opportunity.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:26 PM
Jan 2012

His RW benefactors will see to that. But not everyone can count on RW benefactors to pay these expenses. What a prick.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
10. What a moron.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jan 2012

Most of the mechanics we hire now have at least associates degrees and we have two with bachelors degrees. Working on a car isn't how it use to be, there are electronics in these things that you need an education to figure out.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
11. "folks who think they know how to orchestrate every aspect of your lives"
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jan 2012

My head hurts. Isn't this the same dipshit who wants to prevent me from using contraception, and inserts his opinion into whether or not I'm married if I'm having sex???

 

WingDinger

(3,690 posts)
12. Dumbass has a point, although he is clueless. The college track for all is a mistake.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:30 PM
Jan 2012

As Mike Rowe, of dirty jobs has been fighting, apprenticeship, and vocational training, are vital. Leaving only college for all, or poverty, is cruel, and misguided. And leaves many of the more specialized, and difficult professions, unmanned.

For instance, my trade. Moldmaker. Tool and die, has an average worker age set at 63. What that says, is we are unable to supply ourselves with the things we need and want. this is really a national security concern. How?

We cannot even build the bombs we are so proud of, without chinese parts.

My trade takes most twenty years to become well rounded, if ever. That requires forethought.

My teacher, at NTMA, was the man who testified in congress, for the need to fund specialties necessary for our survival as a first world power. they listened. but, only because of the cold war. Now, they just lobby to replace all those lazy bastards with H1B's.

Asinine culture we gots here.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
16. Just a pathetic little man.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 01:52 PM
Jan 2012

Sure rickey, once the 'proles can't afford to send their kids to collage why you'll be the bestes of them all! Come forth my subjects and kiss the ring of you're most holey. Bask in my blessed Santorum.

I tried, I realy tryed. It's just this fool discusts me.

Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
17. Sam Stein just tweeted: "he (Obama) doesn't believe in free people" Santorum says.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:03 PM
Jan 2012

Stein added &quot kind of a crazy accusation)”. Understatement.

The garbage they spew is just bizzare. They always phrase it like "He doesn't believe" or "love" or "know" etc.

Pirate Smile

(27,617 posts)
21. Wow - more - Sam is tweeting all of this:
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:32 PM
Jan 2012

@samsteinhp santorum, not caring at all about Michigan votes, told Ron Fournier he is "sorry to hear" that he's from Detroit. then mocks auto bailout

drm604

(16,230 posts)
19. Wanting everyone to have the opportunity to go to college is the exact opposite of snobbery.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:25 PM
Jan 2012

Of course I wouldn't expect Ricky to be able to grasp that.

 

RB TexLa

(17,003 posts)
20. He honestly doesn't know that one can both go to college and be an auto mechanic?
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:28 PM
Jan 2012

He really thinks a person can't do that?

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
22. santorum is the embodiment of hubris
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:32 PM
Jan 2012

Hubris: extreme haughtiness, pride or arrogance. Hubris often indicates a loss of contact with reality and an overestimation of one's own competence or capabilities, especially when the person exhibiting it is in a position of power.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
23. I think our education system should be more like the UKs
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:37 PM
Jan 2012

Some kids go to University, other's go vocational schools and those vocational schools start their freshmen year.

opihimoimoi

(52,426 posts)
24. WHAT IS IT that these Dumb Fuck GOPers say the most STOOPIDEST Things ON TV NO LESS??
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:39 PM
Jan 2012

One more sign to 86 the dude....he ain't worthy of shit....

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
25. Consequences of the GI Bill prove Santorum wrong
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 02:54 PM
Jan 2012

Consequences of the GI Bill prove Santorum wrong. In an MSNBC commercial, Lawrence O'Donnell points out that before the post World-War II GI Bill, only six percent of American adults were college graduates. Yhe GI Bill, which paid for veterans' educations, tripled that rate.

By the 1960s, when the vets' careers begain to peak, a tsunami of creative accomplishements had been unleashed. Just consider technology. Why do most airports still use antiquated equipment from the 1960s? Why are B-52 bombers still capable of generating "shock and awe".

The answer: This ingenious equipment worked so well no one could improve upon it for decades.

IMO, investment in education and infrastructure for the future is the best possible use of tax dollars, rather than additional tax breaks for worthless nincompoops like the Walton children and Paris Hilton.

monmouth

(21,078 posts)
26. I remember older cousins talking about the older senior class..(men returning from WW2 and
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 03:11 PM
Jan 2012

completing high school). They had quit school but thought better of it when the matured..Then onto college with the college loan for vets.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
28. As A Child, I Never Thought About College
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 05:46 PM
Jan 2012

because we were poor.
Knowing my chances were slim to none, I didn't do very well in school.
I did get pretty good jobs in radio and record biz, but was never paid well because I didn't have a college education and
they took advantage of that.

What a dick this man is.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
29. Spoken by a guy with a B.A., M.B.A. and a J.D.
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:12 PM
Jan 2012

and he's outraged that the President wants kids to go to college?!

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
31. The times I've seen Obama speak about education
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:27 PM
Jan 2012

he's mentioned that everyone should have the opportunity to study something beyond HS whether it means vocational training or academic four year degree programs. And any skilled labor job nowadays requires some training beyond HS. Companies rarely just train people for jobs coming straight out of school.

Santorum is the embodiment of hubris and nastiness. He's also stupid if he thinks you can just become a mechanic (at least a good one) with just HS diploma. It takes education, typically in the form of a vocational or junior college training. But whatever, don't tell this idiot that. Cars aren't just mechanical. To really be able to work on them now, you need some level of electronics training, which means EDUCATION.

Santorum does prove his own point in a sense. All these degrees were a waste on him. A BA, JD, MBA. It's amazing with all those initials, how little he understands about well...anything.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
32. Everyone shoud have the opportunity, if they want. But there are many people who shouldn't go to
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 06:29 PM
Jan 2012

college, or who want to. The point then is to make sure there are jobs for them too -- jobs that can support a family. Too bad we sent them all to China.

rgbecker

(4,831 posts)
33. Its going to take a college education to figure out how to make a living in a country
Sat Jan 7, 2012, 07:56 PM
Jan 2012

that has sent all the jobs overseas.

Santorum is so typical of the usual Right Wing shitheads.

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