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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:05 PM Apr 2020

Masks are the latest political, cultural divide

Kevin Krannawitter won't wear a mask because he just doesn't think it's necessary, whatever the scientists say.
Marilyn Singleton won't wear one either, because she says it's un-American for the government to force people to cover their faces.
You won't see Ricardo Thornton in a mask because it reminds him of a time when he wasn't free to make his own decisions about his life.

Even as governors, mayors and the federal government urge or require Americans to wear masks in stores, transit systems and other public spaces to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus, the nation is divided about whether to comply. And it is divided in painfully familiar ways - by politics and by attitudes about government power and individual choice. Almost overnight, masks have become common in some places, even as they are still rare in others.

For Trump's supporters, declining to wear a mask is a visible way to demonstrate "that 'I'm a Republican,' or 'I want businesses to start up again,' or 'I support the president,' " said Robert Kahn, a law professor at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis who has studied Americans' attitudes toward masks. "Masks will quickly become the new normal in blue states, but if social distancing continues through 2022, the mentality among Republicans could well change, too: If I can go to work and the cost of marginal improvement in my life is wearing a mask, maybe Americans of both parties do accommodate ourselves to it."

For many Trump supporters, the mask seems to be a symbol of an approach to the virus that weighs too heavily against relaunching the economy. Kevin Krannawitter, who lives in Lawrence, a small college town in Kansas, said he is eager to get business moving again, and although he tries to follow all sides of the issue, he worries that "in general, we are hearing the science-only side. Things tend to get overdone, and people take things too far," he said.

https://www.chron.com/news/article/Across-nation-masks-are-the-latest-political-15211794.php

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Masks are the latest political, cultural divide (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Apr 2020 OP
I'm OK with this, but every one of this freedumb loving Amuricans should sign a waiver not OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2020 #1
You SHOULD NOT be okay with this DrToast Apr 2020 #10
This! They are more effective at keeping an infected person from spreading disease Arkansas Granny Apr 2020 #13
Attempted Negligent Homicide Submariner Apr 2020 #20
Just give them MAGA masks brokephibroke Apr 2020 #2
Make America Gasp Again? n/t customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #5
"In general, we are hearing the science-only side," says a Trumper. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #3
Well then, Newest Reality Apr 2020 #4
We've been there for a long time. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #6
Thanks! Newest Reality Apr 2020 #7
That sounds as ignorant as some of Trump's statements. Arkansas Granny Apr 2020 #14
trump politicizes everything. EVERYTHING. spanone Apr 2020 #8
Yes he does. LuvNewcastle Apr 2020 #22
I've noticed it already. Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #9
Alrighty, then. Hope they have In Case of Emergency info up on their refrigerators tanyev Apr 2020 #11
They should sign this form Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2020 #12
They shouldn't wear masks and they need to get out there and protest Renew Deal Apr 2020 #15
Stop saying this DrToast Apr 2020 #16
I live in a very read area, but I've seen more and more masks. cwydro Apr 2020 #17
This summer tan lines will define social lines sanatanadharma Apr 2020 #18
Branch Covidians can please go choke themselves so as not to speak. kairos12 Apr 2020 #19
A seemingly large percentage of NYC'ers are wearing masks. This being NY, even the crooks are: Princess Turandot Apr 2020 #21

OAITW r.2.0

(24,528 posts)
1. I'm OK with this, but every one of this freedumb loving Amuricans should sign a waiver not
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:12 PM
Apr 2020

to use our healthcare systems should they come down with COVID-19. Put theeir lives on the line for their principles.

Edit - Use, not sue...

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
10. You SHOULD NOT be okay with this
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:35 PM
Apr 2020

People need to wear masks to protect others.

All these yahoos without masks can become infected and run around spreading the virus. Masks are necessary to mitigate this.

Arkansas Granny

(31,522 posts)
13. This! They are more effective at keeping an infected person from spreading disease
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:42 PM
Apr 2020

than protecting the wearer from contracting CV-19.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
20. Attempted Negligent Homicide
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 03:59 PM
Apr 2020

If I see a Trumpie coming my way in Publix, Costco or Walmart without a mask, and they will not take my warnings to stop encroaching on my 6-foot radius of spacial distancing and back me into a corner, then they are going to get their face crushed with a can or whatever it takes to get that moron's breath away from me.

I will consider any infraction on my space and cornering me so I cannot walk away safely as attempted negligent homicide, and I will defend myself until the vaccine is available.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,781 posts)
3. "In general, we are hearing the science-only side," says a Trumper.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:12 PM
Apr 2020

Dude, there is no other side. There's science and there's bullshit, and you're choosing bullshit.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
4. Well then,
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:21 PM
Apr 2020

There are then the "alternate facts" to support that contention.

We are descending into the gray goo of a form of moral relativism based on ignorance. I don't think a culture or society can thrive or even survive long based on that.

There is also the framework of logic and reason in the philosophical sense in order to determine truth by way of premises, deduction, induction, abduction and syllogisms along with the recognition of demonstrable fallacies, which I think is more relevant in this context than the empiricism of physical sciences in a general and political sense. In effect, the rejection of that kind of structure, or the blatant rejection of it, leads to the rejection of the findings of science, et al.

We are in danger of an intellectual and moral oblivion based on the populist moral relativism and the like being foisted onto the culture now with a heavy hand in order to achieve that.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,781 posts)
6. We've been there for a long time.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:24 PM
Apr 2020

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” - Isaac Asimov

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
7. Thanks!
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:30 PM
Apr 2020

We need education that puts and emphasis on critical thinking early on.

That's one of my favorite quotes and I am glad to see it again. Sadly, it is very true and the Dunning-Kruger effect seems to be a way of life for many Americans these days.

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
22. Yes he does.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 04:20 PM
Apr 2020

And he and his followers believe that thinking, for lack of a better word, a certain way about something can influence reality. For instance, if people don't believe the 'hype' that this is a nasty virus that kills a lot of people, their belief can influence the virus's effect on us all. People aren't really dying in large numbers, it's all media exaggeration. If society closes its eyes to these deaths and bad news, the virus will go away. People wonder how the Nazis took over Germany. This is how.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
9. I've noticed it already.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:33 PM
Apr 2020

The sneers at me for wearing a mask at a local grocery store was a clue. They always had a “Trump rally” look about them too, but it’s hard to describe. I guess they just looked like dicks with their strutting mannerisms.

tanyev

(42,588 posts)
11. Alrighty, then. Hope they have In Case of Emergency info up on their refrigerators
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:35 PM
Apr 2020

to make it easier for the first responders.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
17. I live in a very read area, but I've seen more and more masks.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 03:12 PM
Apr 2020

My own perambulations basically consist of taking the dogs to different parks, but I pass stores on the way.

I’ve noticed a definite uptick in mask wearing.

sanatanadharma

(3,713 posts)
18. This summer tan lines will define social lines
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 03:19 PM
Apr 2020

By the end of summer, the covidiots will be easy to recognize by their coiffed hair and absence of facial tan lines.
Also, they will be fewer in number, but still able to ignore all evidence to the contrary of their own contrariness.

Princess Turandot

(4,787 posts)
21. A seemingly large percentage of NYC'ers are wearing masks. This being NY, even the crooks are:
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 04:07 PM
Apr 2020




I assume the bandana-wearing one will claim that for that brief moment in time, she thought that she was Jesse James.
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