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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:41 PM Apr 2020

Holy *#&. West Texas Intermediate is under $3/barrel

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/20/838521862/free-falling-oil-prices-keep-diving-as-demand-disappears

Holy shitsnaps


How low will oil prices go?

A key American oil benchmark, West Texas Intermediate, fell by more than 80% on Monday as global oil markets continue to grapple with a pandemic-driven collapse in demand.

At the start of 2020, a barrel of WTI cost around $60.

Shortly after 1:30 p.m. ET on Monday, a barrel was trading for less than $3 — the lowest price the WTI futures market has ever seen.
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Holy *#&. West Texas Intermediate is under $3/barrel (Original Post) Recursion Apr 2020 OP
Maybe the oil excecs can drink it SoonerPride Apr 2020 #1
Somebody's getting wrecked. dawg Apr 2020 #2
Speculators customerserviceguy Apr 2020 #40
Not good Calculating Apr 2020 #3
Nah. That's like crying for the coal companies. SoonerPride Apr 2020 #5
As you type that on a device made possible by oil Calculating Apr 2020 #6
Yes. Newest Reality Apr 2020 #16
Coal is way more readily replaced by sorta-renewables and significantly more polluting mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #22
Some are blinded by their ideology. Blue_true Apr 2020 #48
"Houston, we have a problem." herding cats Apr 2020 #4
it's -$35 now..... getagrip_already Apr 2020 #43
It means they're paying to unload the stuff into storages if they can find any with space. herding cats Apr 2020 #44
Before this is over, those $12 - $17 an hour jobs are going to look like the good ole days. Hoyt Apr 2020 #7
Yeah, great depression incoming at this rate Calculating Apr 2020 #14
May contract. Turbineguy Apr 2020 #8
Which expires at the end of trading tomorrow. herding cats Apr 2020 #13
i wonder if i can build one of those big storage tanks on my property lol. unblock Apr 2020 #9
It just hit 1.04 a bit ago. roamer65 Apr 2020 #10
Of course I go and top off the truck a couple days back. I'm thinking it can't go any lower, brewens Apr 2020 #11
Texas might be able to restart the economy early by opening up, but this is going to hurt... cayugafalls Apr 2020 #12
Well advertised recent deal 'twixt, putin, 'Bone Saws', helped by trump, seems to be empedocles Apr 2020 #15
I wonder... Newest Reality Apr 2020 #17
What is the break even price sarisataka Apr 2020 #18
Depends on the field, but for extraction about $20 or so Recursion Apr 2020 #20
For fracking, the West Texas breakeven point is about $50 a barrel. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #38
I believe for the US fracked tight-shale plays, under $40/bbl is a money-loser overall (nt) mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #31
How can I order a few barrels? Renew Deal Apr 2020 #19
If you've got a friend in Chicago, he can place the floor order Recursion Apr 2020 #21
Bait and Switch! Renew Deal Apr 2020 #23
I think the... Newest Reality Apr 2020 #24
Sounds like a deal Renew Deal Apr 2020 #30
The barrels are worth more than the oil. herding cats Apr 2020 #25
Odd that the Dow and S&P aren't lower than they are today Shermann Apr 2020 #26
The markets are on crack Calculating Apr 2020 #29
Thanks to the largesse of the US taxpayer (nt) mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #33
I came to the same conclusion and lightened up on equities last week after the bounce half way back Shermann Apr 2020 #37
Holy Mother Of Christ, Sir! The Magistrate Apr 2020 #27
A barrel of oil is now cheaper than a pint of beer. Gothmog Apr 2020 #28
Lowest I saw was $0.87 herding cats Apr 2020 #32
My son does energy lending and so he is busy right now Gothmog Apr 2020 #34
No storage for the oil. roamer65 Apr 2020 #35
The virus shutdown has been great for the environment madville Apr 2020 #36
You mean they can't just Bantamfancier Apr 2020 #46
Lol. roamer65 Apr 2020 #47
It's now -$1.41 - how is it possible to trade in negative dollars? getagrip_already Apr 2020 #39
People will pay you to take it away from them. It's a supply-chain issue (nt) Recursion Apr 2020 #41
Now it's minus $35???? wtaf? n/t getagrip_already Apr 2020 #42
From Congresswoman Lizzie Fletcher Gothmog Apr 2020 #45

dawg

(10,624 posts)
2. Somebody's getting wrecked.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:43 PM
Apr 2020

I'm not smart enough to know who, exactly, but I can't imagine that there aren't a number of players who won't be coming back from this one.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
40. Speculators
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:29 PM
Apr 2020

At least today. They buy these futures contracts, hoping to make a profit before having to take delivery, and pay fees to store the oil, not that there's much of any place to do that anymore.

Gamblers sometimes lose, that's just how things go when you play around with life's necessities.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
3. Not good
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:44 PM
Apr 2020

Whatever people think of big oil, this will put hundreds of thousands of Americans working in the industry out of a job. Also, many decent people own oil stocks in their 401ks.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
6. As you type that on a device made possible by oil
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:46 PM
Apr 2020

It has made our modern way of life possible, without it we would all be living like the Amish.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
16. Yes.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:51 PM
Apr 2020

It is not general knowledge I guess that petroleum is not just used for fuel, it is the black blood that courses through modern civilizations right now.

Looking up what is made with it or from it reveals that. The list is very long and much of what people have around them is a product of it or by it. Plastic, pharmaceuticals, cosmetics, etc., etc.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
22. Coal is way more readily replaced by sorta-renewables and significantly more polluting
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:55 PM
Apr 2020

I'm all for getting rid of coal as an energy source ... Oil, being a concentrated, portable, and highly versatile source of energy and also used as the primary stock for 10's of 10000's of products we all used every day ... cannot be so blithely dismissed.

If all the oil in the world dried up overnight, at least half the population of the planet would be dead within 3 months.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
48. Some are blinded by their ideology.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 07:21 PM
Apr 2020

For them, nothing short of an absolute is adequate. That hundreds of thousands of working people stand to lose jobs, hones, ect is meaningless to an ideologue. Like you pointed out, oil is deeply ingrained in the functioning of our world, it will take time and broad use of alternatives to unwind that reality, something that is deeply unacceptable to an ideologue.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
44. It means they're paying to unload the stuff into storages if they can find any with space.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 03:11 PM
Apr 2020

It's uncharted territory for me.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
14. Yeah, great depression incoming at this rate
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:50 PM
Apr 2020

We're gonna have 50+ million unemployed and people will be BEGGING for min wage jobs digging holes before long.

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
13. Which expires at the end of trading tomorrow.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:50 PM
Apr 2020

June will be better since the supply cuts should impact that month, whereas it missed May.

brewens

(13,608 posts)
11. Of course I go and top off the truck a couple days back. I'm thinking it can't go any lower,
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:49 PM
Apr 2020

things maybe getting going again, the deal Trump bragged about, probably should. I can look out the door and see a truck full of cheap gas that can't go anywhere. I shouldn't need to fill up until this time next year if the virus is still dangerous.

cayugafalls

(5,641 posts)
12. Texas might be able to restart the economy early by opening up, but this is going to hurt...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:50 PM
Apr 2020

for a long time.

Oil prices, however, are travel dependent and will spike once levels go back up. The damage has been done though and this will impact lots of jobs here in the state.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
15. Well advertised recent deal 'twixt, putin, 'Bone Saws', helped by trump, seems to be
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:50 PM
Apr 2020

not going well.

With a trio like that, what could go wrong?

[Before this 'era' is over, we may see other extremely bizarre charts for other sectors. Watch out!]

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
17. I wonder...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:52 PM
Apr 2020

I wonder how gas prices will reflect that?

That should be interesting. It could look like the pre-70's if this keeps up.

sarisataka

(18,705 posts)
18. What is the break even price
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:53 PM
Apr 2020

On a barrel of oil? At what point are companies selling the oil at a loss?

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
20. Depends on the field, but for extraction about $20 or so
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:54 PM
Apr 2020

Transport and refining are a whole nother beast, though

TexasTowelie

(112,318 posts)
38. For fracking, the West Texas breakeven point is about $50 a barrel.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:20 PM
Apr 2020

Astonishing that the price for a barrel of oil (42 gallons) is less than a gallon of gas was just a month ago.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
21. If you've got a friend in Chicago, he can place the floor order
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:55 PM
Apr 2020

You've got to pay for moving it from Point A to Point B, though.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
24. I think the...
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:56 PM
Apr 2020

I think the physical barrels will cost you several more times what the oil is going for right now

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
25. The barrels are worth more than the oil.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:56 PM
Apr 2020

They go for about $47 each, but it's not really stored in barrels. It's just a measurement.

Shermann

(7,423 posts)
26. Odd that the Dow and S&P aren't lower than they are today
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 01:58 PM
Apr 2020

That's really an alarming drop. The markets are mostly shrugging it off.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
29. The markets are on crack
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:02 PM
Apr 2020

Just look at the Nasdaq, like 10% off the all time highs like nothing bad is happening.

Shermann

(7,423 posts)
37. I came to the same conclusion and lightened up on equities last week after the bounce half way back
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:14 PM
Apr 2020

I'm still in the game. Just keeping more of my powder dry, maybe waiting for Joe to spank all the naughty children running around the house.

Gothmog

(145,427 posts)
34. My son does energy lending and so he is busy right now
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:08 PM
Apr 2020

I would hate to see what these prices do to reserved based loans

madville

(7,412 posts)
36. The virus shutdown has been great for the environment
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 02:12 PM
Apr 2020

Saw an article recently about atmospheric pollution levels plummeting.

Bantamfancier

(366 posts)
46. You mean they can't just
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 05:24 PM
Apr 2020

pile it up outside? Like the corn and soybean farmers do when they produce too much.
What if they threw a tarpaulin over it?

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