Americans may have to make some very tough decisions.

[kentuck]

We hear that the CV-19 cases in NY have leveled off and appear to be declining. This is very good news if it is true.

However, it is being reported that the CV-19 is spiking in other cities and states, including California.

We may have a long road ahead of us. If true, a large number of people will not be able to return to work in the near future.

The decisions that will need to be made will be about who is necessary and essential to return to work? Employees will need to be tested before they return to work. That is why we may have to start with the smallest businesses and work our way up, as the workers are tested and as the number of cases decrease.

In a worse-case scenario, the food and energy supply lines must be organized and managed. There may have to be some rationing. Hopefully, it will not come to that.

Also, people will need unemployment payments or some sort of guaranteed income provided by the government, in order to survive, until this crisis is over.

This CV-19 is very contagious. On the Navy ship, the Theodore Roosevelt, over 600 sailors have become infected with the virus. That is a very high percentage. It is much higher than the common flu, by multiple times.

We should try to be prepared if this CV-19 takes a turn for the worse. We must guard against becoming complacent or careless at this time. There may be some very tough decisions ahead.

But, we should remain hopeful and determined that we can defeat this virus. We need to remain compassionate and community-minded. We can still remain positive as we struggle to survive in these times. We need to hope for the best and plan for the worst.

There could be some tough decisions ahead for all of us. We cannot afford to panic or be alarmists.

These are just my thoughts.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

1. I thought that Cali was pretty stable

Has something just changed?

[kentuck]

4. I heard a report this morning.,

That there had been a spike in deaths in California? Hopefully, this is an anomaly and not a trend. Also, it was reported that there were spikes in other areas.

We can only hope that our leaders make wise decisions about putting people back to work at this time.

[Initech]

10. I heard it was because a lot of deaths were misdiagnosed.

And that itself is an error that got corrected. Which that in and of itself is a scary thought. This is most likely an anomaly. Hopefully this doesn't happen in other places but there are some governors in this country who are not telling the truth about what is really going on.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. I think there was a huge correction in reported deaths yesterday for multiple states.

The national daily death count was around 1500-1600/day for two straight days, and then suddenly 5400, likely because stuff was mis-classified or not yet counted.

[OMGWTF]

22. We don't know the real number because people who die at home or in nursing homes aren't counted.

[uponit7771]

2. K&R, but the first sentence is not true (link) Testing has plummeted in the last couple of days

... when it should be going up.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213290008

There are a number of dead found in Detroit in their homes, there's no testing campaign right now.

Also, the CDC updated the R0 for CV19 to 5.7

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0282_article

[kentuck]

7. It is very contagious, no doubt.

You are correct about the testing.

[uponit7771]

8. I still think he's going to try and affect the election in his favor with CV19. He might not be able

... to call off an election but there's no doubt he can affect one in his favor

[kentuck]

9. It is disgusting that his thoughts are only on the election..

As the lives of every American is threatened by this deadly virus.

[BarbD]

24. It always comes down to testing?

And, how is that working? We are so far behind what it needs to be. It is pathetic.

[Arkansas Granny]

12. Fewer tests, fewer positive results. Trump can brag that he defeated Covid-19.

[gibraltar72]

3. If we all pulled in same direction.

That however is not what is happening. Republicans have no "human" agenda.

[Newest Reality]

5. FOOD! nt

[SheltieLover]

6. K&R

[Boomerproud]

11. So depressing.

What is "the new normal" they keep talking about? Will I ever work again? Will I ever see my family again (in person) . I saw on CNN last night that it could be years before there's a vaccine. Brix was on the View this morning being her matronly self.

[Hortensis]

13. Afraid that in states where they are pushed into danger,

most people will not have a real decision to make. Most will have to comply and hope they'll be okay.

The Republicans have no intention of beginning with comprehensive national testing even though Democrats have been trying to persuade them to it. They do intend to block or limit national relief as much as possible to force people back to dangerous workplaces.

We the People made the decision that was ours on November 6, 2016 when we turned our government over to the Republicans and/or sat on our fingers while they stole it. Same thing.

That they would need to stop more than one disease from developing into an epidemic, much less pandemic, was completely expected. That they would instead choose to block all action, lie to the people, and let loose murderous disease on primarily the sick and elderly, but also many others, while blaming the whackjob in the oval office, was not.

But in retrospect it should have been. They've given us many signs of their increasingly ruthless pursuit of power and wealth for their own cabal and of their determination to strip us of the power to control them and our own lives.

So the first complacence to ditch is that it can't happen here and that the extremists who've taken over the Republican Party aren't capable of much worse if they remain in power.

Of course all who can decide to stay home should, and we should all plan to go after the Republicans on November 3 with the intention of driving them out of power for at least the next 40 years.

[StClone]

14. Speed anology: If you are going 150 mph and slow a bit

You are still going 100 mph too fast.

[bucolic_frolic]

15. You are asking the entitled to cooperate and

for the government - this federal government with this administration - to make wise decisions and be able to implement them.

No, I'm not optimistic, though people sometimes surprise you. I am surprised, for example, that there haven't be widespread incidents of domestic violence and threats of shootings thus far. Perhaps confronted with a virus that could prove fatal the miscreants are tamed?

[iluvtennis]

16. Testing by all workplaces, schools, universities, etc needs to be done before that company/school/

/etc re-opens.

Those with virus remain quarantined until they test free of the virus.

We also need be be able to have tracking mechanism in place to find those who may be infected from those who tested positive.

Since the virus is novel, some additional process to do periodic re-testing [as defined by the doctors/scientists] needs to be put in place.

[CottonBear]

20. South Korea uses a cell phone app to track infected people

as well as to notify people of their test results. The app also alerts you if you get within a certain distance of an infected person. The whole system is part of South Korean law.

[Dustlawyer]

17. My community is the biggest oil refining area of the country.

The plants tried a 45 day lock down where the workers live at the plant. They have had outbreaks at all of them but have not shut down. It would take most of them dead before they will be shut down in Texas even with an oil glut!

[DENVERPOPS]

18. Don't look to Colorado for guidance on "Essentials" LOL

In Colorado, Essential are things like RESIDENTIAL HOME BUILDING, GUN SHOPS, LIQUOR STORES, MARIJUANA OUTLETS.

BUT NON ESSENTIAL are things like ACUPUNCTURE for instance.......

We love Polis, but there are things that he could do better on......

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. All true, but worst part to me is that even if we want to

Take a chance and venture back into the world, I would still want to visit my parents and would be too afraid to somehow infect them. Like the days of hugging are far away.

[neohippie]

23. This is not great news either

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-destroys-lungs-but-doctors-are-finding-its-damage-in-kidneys-hearts-and-elsewhere/2020/04/14/7ff71ee0-7db1-11ea-a3ee-13e1ae0a3571_story.html

The new coronavirus kills by inflaming and clogging the tiny air sacs in the lungs, choking off the body’s oxygen supply until it shuts down the organs essential for life.

But clinicians around the world are seeing evidence that suggests the virus also may be causing heart inflammation, acute kidney disease, neurological malfunction, blood clots, intestinal damage and liver problems. That development has complicated treatment for the most severe cases of covid-19, the illness caused by the virus, and makes the course of recovery less certain, they said.

The prevalence of these effects is too great to attribute them solely to the “cytokine storm,” a powerful immune-system response that attacks the body, causing severe damage, doctors and researchers said.

[Ford_Prefect]

25. Which makes you wonder just what they were doing in that lab in Wuhan, and what it lead to?

This looks so much like a scenario presented in argument against deploying nuclear weapons in terms of widespread collateral effects to the body and to the infrastructure of our lives and our communities.

Yes, we are going to make some terrifying choices. Some have already been made or foreclosed by Putin and the Yellow Haired Gang. Those left unaffected by the first wave of this will have very little time and fewer resources to deal with the succeeding waves. No matter your politics the world we're gonna have to live in will have a much different ethos and ennui then we've assumed up to now. Which is not to mention how differently we will have to function and who will get to control it.

In some ways the original Mad Max film may have been more predictive then anyone expected. Not in the violence, but in the lack of mitigating resources which could lead to some kind of relief.

[neohippie]

26. Except in our case

We had in the past the mitigating resources and can put them back in place.

This is a wake up call. We had diplomatic cables going back two years ago that warned us from our people in China about the Wuhan bio-labs lack of safety and security protocols, this was around the same time that our current administration, decided to cut our CDC staff in China by 2/3 and when our National Security Council under John Bolton cut the Global Bio-defense response team as wel

This all could have been prevented with those resources in place. And even further we had intelligence briefings back in November warning our government of a coming cataclysmic pandemic event seen developing on the ground in China months before our leadership took action and before a global pandemic was declared.


Those were huge warning signs that were ignored, bad choices got us here, better choices can lead us out of this chaos

[Ford_Prefect]

30. The signs were not merely ignored by those with an obsession with power and no empathy for anyone.

Better choices can be made and I hope that they are.

The people who helped to put this disaster in motion had an exploitable catastrophe in mind when they did that. Vulture Capitalism is the term I would use for the way they have behaved over and over during this administration in response to hurricanes and other disasters.

I doubt they knew how dangerous this would be and were looking for that golden opportunity along the lines of the no-bid contracts let in the shadow of Sept. 11. I don't assume they made Covid-19 happen. However, anyone can see that they disabled key functions of our government and muted or removed people who would have otherwise prepared us for the consequences.

Now we have a new set of no-bids given to the friends of Trump which they will doubtless wash into the political events upcoming trying to preserve the Golden Ignoramus and his party in power.

Trump is a dangerous lunatic. He is also the front-man for a more insidious and influential cabal.

Whatever we do with our best choices for one and all they will try to wreck. Until they are out of office and hopefully on the way to prison we will have an enormous liability of their making to shoulder.

[cbdo2007]

27. You can't test everyone in the country weekly. We will have to rely on more face masks, maybe always

You can't just test and say so and so is good...cause as soon as they go out again and one person who hasn't yet been tested or are disobeying their quarantine is close to them, they may get it again and be asymptomatic and go in and infect a bunch of other people who have already been tested.

The only way to open back up is to require full time face mask use and have more hands cleaning stations and make cleanliness off the charts and inhibit those who may have it and be asymptomatic from spreading it to others.

[Boomer]

28. I'm assuming at least 1-2 years of self-isolation for myself and my wife

If it's less than that, I'll be pleasantly surprised, but for now I'm operating under the assumption that I'll continue to work from home basically until I retire.

[JCMach1]

29. Spikes will reoccur across the country as they open things

Eventually 60-80%+ of us will catch it...

[Blue Owl]

31. K&R