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ansible

(1,718 posts)
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:12 AM Apr 2020

Bill Maher defends calling coronavirus 'Chinese virus,' blames China

HBO's Bill Maher on Friday defended calling the novel coronavirus the "Chinese virus," arguing that "pretty liberal" scientists have been "naming diseases after the places they came from for a very long time."

The remarks from the "Real Time" host come after President Trump had repeatedly referred to COVID-19 as the "Chinese virus," but stopped doing so late last month.

“Scientists, who are generally pretty liberal, have been naming diseases after the places they came from for a very long time,” Maher said Friday night while broadcasting his weekly show from his home in California.

“Zika is from the Zika Forest. Ebola from the Ebola River. Hantavirus, the Hantan River. There’s the West Nile Virus and Guinea worm and Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, and of course the Spanish flu.”

“MERS stands for Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome,” the host continued. “It’s plastered all over airports and no one blogs about it. So, why should China get a pass?

Maher proceeded to respond to a tweet by Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.), who criticized Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.) for calling coronavirus "the Wuhan virus" on March 8.

“No, that would be way stupider because it didn’t come from Milan,” said Maher. “And if it did, I guarantee we’d be calling it the Milan Virus. Jesus f---ing Christ. Can’t we even have a pandemic without getting offended? When they named Lyme disease after a town in Connecticut the locals didn’t get all ticked off?”

“This is about facts. It’s about life and death. We’re barely four months into this pandemic and the wet markets in China — the ones where exotic animals are sold and consumed — are already starting to reopen," he later added.

"Sorry Americans, we're going to have to ask you to keep two ideas in your head at the same time: This has nothing to do with Asian Americans and it has everything to do with China," Maher concluded. "We can't afford the luxury anymore of non-judginess towards a country with habits that kill millions of people everywhere. Because this isn't the first time. SARS came from China. And the bird flu. And the Hong Kong flu. The Asian flu. Viruses come from China just like shortstops come from the Dominican Republic. If they were selling nuclear suitcases at these wet markets, would we be so non-judgmental?"

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/492340-bill-maher-defends-calling-coronavirus-chinese-virus-mocks-ted-lieu

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Bill Maher defends calling coronavirus 'Chinese virus,' blames China (Original Post) ansible Apr 2020 OP
Saw this. He has a point about the name underpants Apr 2020 #1
It's already been named and that's not the name Blues Heron Apr 2020 #7
If that's accurate then unfortunately it backs up his point HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #23
Yes, well people from Lyme aren't getting the shit kicked out of them because of their ethnicity. Laffy Kat Apr 2020 #26
That's true HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #28
He addressed that many times Bradshaw3 Apr 2020 #79
That is on trump, rush, and fox "news", and doesn't have anything to do with how something is named. BComplex Apr 2020 #92
That old policy is over Blues Heron Apr 2020 #32
The Spanish flu came from Kansas lame54 Apr 2020 #37
True, and the reason why it was called the Spanish flu is... Rollo Apr 2020 #55
That's actually up for debate HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #71
No it didn't. former9thward Apr 2020 #83
Either way it's not Spanish... lame54 Apr 2020 #90
The Ebola Virus was named Ebola Virus. LiberalFighter Apr 2020 #53
Ebola takes its name from a river in Zaire HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #70
Not really, a lot of people overlook it... Lancero Apr 2020 #88
"Can't we even have a pandemic without getting offended?" LakeArenal Apr 2020 #2
I stopped watching him years ago after his comments on Muslims malaise Apr 2020 #3
"Islam is the only religion that acts like the mafia." - Bill Maher dalton99a Apr 2020 #11
And he said a lot more than that malaise Apr 2020 #17
Some forget that he is no friend of Democrats. Maher discussing Hillary's campaign strategy in 2008: dalton99a Apr 2020 #25
"I'm not being sexist," before he goes full blown sexist. MoonchildCA Apr 2020 #54
So a guy who gave $1M to Obama campaign and for Dems in 2018 isn't a friend? Bradshaw3 Apr 2020 #78
Same guy who gave Milo Yiannopoulos and Stephen Bannon a platform on his show dalton99a Apr 2020 #80
Bill needs to read some history. Girard442 Apr 2020 #51
I gave up on him when he was agreeing with that "Milo" troll... NurseJackie Apr 2020 #33
He has some very biased views malaise Apr 2020 #61
Eh the Chinese government effed up Loki Liesmith Apr 2020 #4
bizzare comment Blues Heron Apr 2020 #10
You're assuming the chinese government is even telling the truth ansible Apr 2020 #14
their hospitals are empty Blues Heron Apr 2020 #19
The vast majority of hospitals in the USA are empty too forthemiddle Apr 2020 #39
cool story bro Blues Heron Apr 2020 #43
Cool story about what? forthemiddle Apr 2020 #48
+1. Bill Maher and facts dalton99a Apr 2020 #40
And they allegedly banned civets after SARS. EllieBC Apr 2020 #63
Who advocates embracing China? dalton99a Apr 2020 #68
They are not above criticism. EllieBC Apr 2020 #81
He's so opportunistic. Politicub Apr 2020 #5
While it is true that it originated in China, it is not why the amoral pig was using the term. Thomas Hurt Apr 2020 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author kcr Apr 2020 #8
That's fine as long as he starts calling the 1918 Pandemic the American Flu. sarge43 Apr 2020 #9
+1. Haskell County, Kansas dalton99a Apr 2020 #13
In 1917 doctor in that area wrote to Public Health officials sarge43 Apr 2020 #36
no, they do not, there is no scientific consensus as to the origin of the so-called Spanish Flu Celerity Apr 2020 #38
I am so glad that I dropped HBO and don't watch Maher's bullshit, which he demonstrated still_one Apr 2020 #12
Intent matters ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #15
Like Maher, but difference is when someone like trump says "Chinese virus," he's throwing red meat Hoyt Apr 2020 #16
On point stevil Apr 2020 #87
"A country with habits that kill millions of people everywhere" dalton99a Apr 2020 #18
Why do people find this bigot funny? BeckyDem Apr 2020 #20
Sorry Maher, some 'Mericans cannot/will not keep more than one idea in their heads. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2020 #21
I get his point.. cabot Apr 2020 #22
Never got the Maher lovers,so not surprised .Let joe Rogan say this ..Same people will be aghast lunasun Apr 2020 #24
It was already given a name! Buckeye_Democrat Apr 2020 #27
That is what I wanted to reply Hav Apr 2020 #35
Problem is Trump himself blamed China for the virus, purposely stoking anti-China hysteria from sop Apr 2020 #29
Pick on Maher day again is it? He's tolerable when he fits into our belief system, but... TreasonousBastard Apr 2020 #30
I don't pick on him I ignore him. I've never liked his brand ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #31
Are you ignoring him now? HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #74
I like Maher in general but his "Chinese Virus" diatribe last night was total BS. The GOP walkingman Apr 2020 #41
I love Maher and watch his show. I appreciate how he points out hypocrisy and finds the absurd sop Apr 2020 #47
I feel more or less the same way HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #76
A very recent news release asserted that the CV-19 virus that Eyeball_Kid Apr 2020 #34
That was New York specific hardluck Apr 2020 #44
Fuck you dead, Bill Maher. Paladin Apr 2020 #42
Fuck Bill Maher. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2020 #45
I am glad that I am no longer watching Maher Gothmog Apr 2020 #46
I wish Maher was more intelligent. He's got a lot of writers and information. empedocles Apr 2020 #58
Politics has now infected the naming of diseases Steelrolled Apr 2020 #49
If it were just being used as a casual name, that would be one thing... Silent3 Apr 2020 #50
Hey Bill... Mike Nelson Apr 2020 #52
He's a comedian. Sensitivity training wasn't on the curriculum... Wounded Bear Apr 2020 #56
The difference is that Asian Americans are being attacked mainer Apr 2020 #57
I have a few West African friends living in NYC who would disagree HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #72
That was wrong, too. But it doesn't excuse beating up Asian Americans. mainer Apr 2020 #84
Who said it did? HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #85
Just my opinion, but this isn't about China. Ilsa Apr 2020 #59
So Bill Maher is a bigot Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #60
+1. Both Maher and Trump are amoral opportunists dalton99a Apr 2020 #64
People should stop watching Maher. He's a lunatic and hypocrite. samsingh Apr 2020 #62
Maher is a jackass... tonedevil Apr 2020 #65
Maher has a long history of racism and bigotry, under the guise of political incorrectness. dalton99a Apr 2020 #69
China is responsible for the wet markets that created this mess in the first place. Galraedia Apr 2020 #66
+1000 HarlanPepper Apr 2020 #73
We have seen reports that the Chinese government at first tried to cover up what was totodeinhere Apr 2020 #67
I truly don't understand why people put so much stock in Bill Maher... SMC22307 Apr 2020 #75
A Mindless Contrarian, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #77
+1. I expect to see him increase his attacks on Democrats next year dalton99a Apr 2020 #82
Calling it the Wuhan coronavirus is defendable. Calling in the Chinese Virus isn't Azathoth Apr 2020 #86
Honestly, if he's going that route it'd be more accurate to call it the Carnovirus. Lancero Apr 2020 #89
Although one scientist said it could be from bat guano, not from eating bats mainer Apr 2020 #91

underpants

(182,872 posts)
1. Saw this. He has a point about the name
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:14 AM
Apr 2020

But it should be the Wuhan flu or the Wuhan Terrible Flu (WTF).

The naming convention is precedent

Blues Heron

(5,939 posts)
7. It's already been named and that's not the name
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:23 AM
Apr 2020

they deliberatlely didn't go with a place name because of stigma. I don't see what's so hard about using the name it already has rather than jump through hoops to justify racist impulses, othering, blame etc.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
23. If that's accurate then unfortunately it backs up his point
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:45 AM
Apr 2020

Lyme disease and Ebola got their names for places and things. In the first case it was a town. In the second it was a river.

I don’t have a dog in the fight. Not passionate about Maher either way but the point you just made doesn’t refute his at all.

Laffy Kat

(16,386 posts)
26. Yes, well people from Lyme aren't getting the shit kicked out of them because of their ethnicity.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:54 AM
Apr 2020

I imagine they can walk down the street without fear. You know, there's that.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
28. That's true
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:54 AM
Apr 2020

But unfortunately it doesn’t change his point about the tradition of the naming of these diseases.

Bradshaw3

(7,528 posts)
79. He addressed that many times
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:49 PM
Apr 2020

And said that obviously people shouldn't be holding it against Asian-Americans. So there's that.

BComplex

(8,063 posts)
92. That is on trump, rush, and fox "news", and doesn't have anything to do with how something is named.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 04:11 PM
Apr 2020

It has to do with rightwing racists trying to stir up fear & hatred among not too bright, very mentally & emotionally imbalanced people.

Rollo

(2,559 posts)
55. True, and the reason why it was called the Spanish flu is...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:00 PM
Apr 2020

... because unlike other European nations engaged in WWI, neutral Spain hadn't censored the news.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
71. That's actually up for debate
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:34 PM
Apr 2020

There are just as many people who believe it started in a WW1 field hospital which was obviously not in Kansas.

former9thward

(32,068 posts)
83. No it didn't.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:08 PM
Apr 2020

According to the National Geographic it came from China. I will go with them...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/1/140123-spanish-flu-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/?fbclid=IwAR0Geu1G7iMg4DR5GiqKg6-wFJRDZUhjKhlEjhD_6_Zggyb4P83YTexIdY4

1918 Flu Pandemic That Killed 50 Million Originated in China, Historians Say

Chinese laborers transported across Canada thought to be source

THE GLOBAL FLU outbreak of 1918 killed 50 million people worldwide, ranking as one of the deadliest epidemics in history.

For decades, scientists have debated where in the world the pandemic started, variously pinpointing its origins in France, China, the American Midwest, and beyond. Without a clear location, scientists have lacked a complete picture of the conditions that bred the disease and factors that might lead to similar outbreaks in the future.

The deadly "Spanish flu" claimed more lives than World War I, which ended the same year the pandemic struck. Now, new research is placing the flu's emergence in a forgotten episode of World War I: the shipment of Chinese laborers across Canada in sealed train cars.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
70. Ebola takes its name from a river in Zaire
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:33 PM
Apr 2020

Doesn’t really matter much. This is a conversation for people who have too much time on their hands or are invested emotionally one way or another as far as the name. Almost everyone refers to it colloquially as “the virus” anyway.

Lancero

(3,011 posts)
88. Not really, a lot of people overlook it...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:17 PM
Apr 2020

But COVID-19 is the name of the disease, not the virus itself. SARS-CoV-2 is the name of the virus, but that's quite a mouthful so most people refer to it as the Coronavirus since it's the easiest to remember or Covid-19 since it's easier to remember.

LakeArenal

(28,837 posts)
2. "Can't we even have a pandemic without getting offended?"
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:15 AM
Apr 2020

Geez Bill, chill. Don’t be so offended!!!

It’s Trumpsvirus, anyway.

You’re such a efhead.

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
25. Some forget that he is no friend of Democrats. Maher discussing Hillary's campaign strategy in 2008:
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:50 AM
Apr 2020
"I'm not trying to be sexist here, but I'm just saying that women try a lot of different tacks when they're in arguments... I'm not being sexist, I'm just saying that men, when we argue, we're kind of a one-trick pony -- we try our thing, and then we sulk when we don't get our way. But look at Hillary Clinton... Because the first thing a woman does, of course, is cry... and then they go to sweet talking... and then they throw an anger fit totally unrelated to anything.... And when it doesn't work, they bring out the sarcasm."

Bradshaw3

(7,528 posts)
78. So a guy who gave $1M to Obama campaign and for Dems in 2018 isn't a friend?
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:47 PM
Apr 2020

Sheesh. Some can't stand the truth.

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
80. Same guy who gave Milo Yiannopoulos and Stephen Bannon a platform on his show
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:58 PM
Apr 2020
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/409073-bill-maher-thanks-bannon-for-appearing-on-show-says-volumes-why-republicans

HBO host Bill Maher applauded former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon for coming on his show Friday, arguing Democrats lack political power because they are unwilling to engage with their ideological foes.

"I'm going to say to you what I say to every conservative who comes on this show: Thank you," Maher told Bannon on "Real Time with Bill Maher."

"I appreciate it and it says volumes why Republicans are in power and we have none,” Maher continued. “Hillary Clinton never came here. Maybe she’d be president if she was a little more confident."

"Big time," Bannon responded, largely to silence from Maher's audience.


NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
33. I gave up on him when he was agreeing with that "Milo" troll...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:01 PM
Apr 2020

I gave up on him when he was agreeing with that "Milo" troll (the Ann Coulter wannabe with some Greek surname) when Milo was arguing that transgender individuals should not use public restrooms that match their gender identity. Maher said something in agreement with Milo along the lines of "well, you make a good point there" or "you've got a good argument" or something like that.

malaise

(269,157 posts)
61. He has some very biased views
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:37 PM
Apr 2020

Not my cup of tea although when I watched back in the day, he did have some good guests

Blues Heron

(5,939 posts)
19. their hospitals are empty
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:37 AM
Apr 2020

You really think they're hiding hundreds of thousands of sick people? Don't let your prejudice cloud your better judgement. Let's hear all the details of your "hidden sick people" conspiracy: where are they? You must have solid info or links right?

forthemiddle

(1,382 posts)
39. The vast majority of hospitals in the USA are empty too
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:19 PM
Apr 2020

Does that disprove New York’s numbers?

Do you realize that the overwhelming majority of hospitals in the United States are furloughing employees because there are no patients in the beds?

China has not been honest about the numbers, and has no reflection what so ever about how busy the hospitals are.

forthemiddle

(1,382 posts)
48. Cool story about what?
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:42 PM
Apr 2020

Are you questioning the empty US hospitals, or something else?

I work for a major healthcare consulting firm. We contract for hospitals all over the United States providing healthcare administration and billing functions. We are furloughing almost 90 % of our staff, and the hospitals we work for are doing the same. Without elective, and routine care there is no patients. With people lockdown in their homes, the trauma patients are almost nonexistent.
The hospital beds aren’t being filled up. Outside the hot spots there is no capacity problems.

I am not saying they won’t fill up in the future, but they are empty now.

So once again, what is the “Cool story Bro” referring too?

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
40. +1. Bill Maher and facts
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:21 PM
Apr 2020

The wet markets in China no longer have exotic animals - China's Congress banned that trade in February ("hunting, trading and transportation of wild terrestrial animals for the purpose of consumption" ). They also banned the slaughter and sale of live animals in wet markets. (Incidentally, wet markets are where many if not most people get their fresh meat and produce in urban areas.)

The Chinese regime is not stupid. They cannot afford a recurrence of this fiasco.

EllieBC

(3,040 posts)
63. And they allegedly banned civets after SARS.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:59 PM
Apr 2020

Nope, there were still reports of civets at the wet markets.

I think Trump fucked up royally but that doesn't mean embrace China and suddenly trust them.

EllieBC

(3,040 posts)
81. They are not above criticism.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:00 PM
Apr 2020

This whole idea they are not fudging their facts and numbers is laughable.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
5. He's so opportunistic.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:19 AM
Apr 2020

He sees the writing on the wall with Biden winning the presidency, so now he's tilting to the conservative/libertarian side to be contrarian.

And his straw man of selling nuclear suitcases at a wet market being akin to a pandemic is neither funny nor clever.

I stopped watching his show long ago. At times it was good, when he was more on the liberal side.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
6. While it is true that it originated in China, it is not why the amoral pig was using the term.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:22 AM
Apr 2020

He is using it as racist newspeak to shift blame.

Response to ansible (Original post)

sarge43

(28,943 posts)
9. That's fine as long as he starts calling the 1918 Pandemic the American Flu.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:24 AM
Apr 2020

Most experts now are mostly in agreement that it started here in the states.

The "Spanish" Flu didn't start in Spain. In fact, Spain was one of the few European countries that wasn't overwhelmed by it.

sarge43

(28,943 posts)
36. In 1917 doctor in that area wrote to Public Health officials
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:13 PM
Apr 2020

that he was seeing an outbreak of abnormal flu, more widespread, more lethal. He was ignored.

"History may not be repeat, but it does rhyme."

Celerity

(43,491 posts)
38. no, they do not, there is no scientific consensus as to the origin of the so-called Spanish Flu
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:17 PM
Apr 2020

Kansas is only one of many hypotheses, and is certainly not the consensus of the scientific community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Hypotheses_about_the_source

Hypotheses about the source


United Kingdom

The major UK troop staging and hospital camp in Étaples in France has been theorized by researchers as being at the center of the Spanish flu. The research was published in 1999 by a British team, led by virologist John Oxford. In late 1917, military pathologists reported the onset of a new disease with high mortality that they later recognized as the flu. The overcrowded camp and hospital was an ideal site for the spreading of a respiratory virus. The hospital treated thousands of victims of chemical attacks, and other casualties of war, and 100,000 soldiers passed through the camp every day. It also was home to a piggery, and poultry was regularly brought in for food supplies from surrounding villages. Oxford and his team postulated that a significant precursor virus, harbored in birds, mutated and then migrated to pigs kept near the front.

A report published in 2016 in the Journal of the Chinese Medical Association found evidence that the 1918 virus had been circulating in the European armies for months and possibly years before the 1918 pandemic.


United States

There have been statements that the epidemic originated in the United States. Historian Alfred W. Crosby stated in 2003 that the flu originated in Kansas, and popular author John M. Barry described a January 1918 outbreak in Haskell County, Kansas, as the point of origin in his 2004 article.

A 2018 study of tissue slides and medical reports led by evolutionary biology professor Michael Worobey found evidence against the disease originating from Kansas as those cases were milder and had fewer deaths compared to the situation in New York City in the same time period. The study did find evidence through phylogenetic analyses that the virus likely had a North American origin, though it was not conclusive. In addition, the haemagglutinin glycoproteins of the virus suggest that it was around far prior to 1918 and other studies suggest that the reassortment of the H1N1 virus likely occurred in or around 1915.


China

One of the few regions of the world seemingly less affected by the 1918 flu pandemic was China, where there may have been a comparatively mild flu season in 1918 (although this is disputed due to lack of data during the Warlord Period of China, see Around the globe). Multiple studies have documented that there were relatively few deaths from the flu in China compared to other regions of the world. This has led to speculation that the 1918 flu pandemic originated in China. The relatively mild flu season and lower rates of flu mortality in China in 1918 may be explained due to the fact that the Chinese population had already possessed acquired immunity to the flu virus.

In 1993, Claude Hannoun, the leading expert on the 1918 flu for the Pasteur Institute, asserted the former virus was likely to have come from China. It then mutated in the United States near Boston and from there spread to Brest, France, Europe's battlefields, Europe, and the world with Allied soldiers and sailors as the main disseminators.

In 2014, historian Mark Humphries argued that the mobilization of 96,000 Chinese laborers to work behind the British and French lines might have been the source of the pandemic. Humphries, of the Memorial University of Newfoundland in St. John's, based his conclusions on newly unearthed records. He found archival evidence that a respiratory illness that struck northern China in November 1917 was identified a year later by Chinese health officials as identical to the Spanish flu.

A report published in 2016 in the Journal of the Chinese Medical Association found no evidence that the 1918 virus was imported to Europe via Chinese and Southeast Asian soldiers and workers and instead found evidence of its circulation in Europe before the pandemic. The 2016 study suggested that the low flu mortality rate (an estimated 1/1000) found among the Chinese and Southeast Asian workers in Europe meant that the deadly 1918 influenza pandemic could not have originated from those workers.

A 2018 study of tissue slides and medical reports led by evolutionary biology professor Michael Worobey found evidence against the disease being spread by Chinese workers, noting that workers entered Europe through other routes that did not result in detectable spread, making them unlikely to have been the original hosts.[26]


Other

Hannoun considered several alternative hypotheses of origin, such as Spain, Kansas, and Brest, as being possible, but not likely.[34] Political scientist Andrew Price-Smith published data from the Austrian archives suggesting the influenza began in Austria in early 1917.

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1918 Pandemic (H1N1 virus) (from the CDC)

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/1918-pandemic-h1n1.html

The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history. It was caused by an H1N1 virus with genes of avian origin. Although there is not universal consensus regarding where the virus originated, it spread worldwide during 1918-1919. In the United States, it was first identified in military personnel in spring 1918. It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.



The Deadliest Flu: The Complete Story of the Discovery and Reconstruction of the 1918 Pandemic Virus

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/reconstruction-1918-virus.html


Study revives bird origin for 1918 flu pandemic

https://www.nature.com/news/study-revives-bird-origin-for-1918-flu-pandemic-1.14723



The 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic, the Origins of the H1N1-virus Strain, a Glance in History

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/314079733_The_1918_Spanish_Flu_Pandemic_the_Origins_of_the_H1N1-virus_Strain_a_Glance_in_History




The Origin and Virulence of the 1918 “Spanish” Influenza Virus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2720273/

still_one

(92,372 posts)
12. I am so glad that I dropped HBO and don't watch Maher's bullshit, which he demonstrated
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:29 AM
Apr 2020

when he pushed goat milk cures HIV:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/virginiahughes/goat-milk-cure

He also borders as an anti-vaxer. I wonder if the asshole will get the vaccine when it comes out?

That Maher is playing STUPID that he doesn't realize what the racist asshole is doing by calling it the "China virus", has nothing to do with the geographical area where the virus first appeared, but instead wants to say that China intentionally caused this virus, and tap into the conspiracy theorists that this was some germ warfare plot

No one is denying that the Coronavirus originated in China, but to push xenophobic bullshit is typical Maher. His anti-Muslim rants is another one of his trademarks

Maher is just a f**king entertainer, who quite a few times doesn't get his facts straight






ismnotwasm

(41,999 posts)
15. Intent matters
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:32 AM
Apr 2020

If the intent is to be racist, and it is, than fuck that. I can’t stand that guy


Also, MRSA should be called “The American killer bacteria” by that logic

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. Like Maher, but difference is when someone like trump says "Chinese virus," he's throwing red meat
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:33 AM
Apr 2020

to his racist/bigoted supporters. That ain't right.

stevil

(1,537 posts)
87. On point
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:15 PM
Apr 2020

And now thousands (maybe millions) of Americans are jumping on the blame China bandwagon as an excuse to deflect blame away from Trump and the GOP for mishandling mitigation from the get go. That's precisely why he's calling it the China virus. I'm OK with "Wuhan Virus" but I have gotten used to calling it CV-19 or Coronavirus.

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
18. "A country with habits that kill millions of people everywhere"
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:36 AM
Apr 2020

A country?

Condemn specific practices in an industry, not an entire country or culture. The vast majority of Chinese citizens had nothing to do with the wildlife in the videos.


Ferrets are Cool

(21,109 posts)
21. Sorry Maher, some 'Mericans cannot/will not keep more than one idea in their heads.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:43 AM
Apr 2020

And you, sir, are a FUCKING IDIOT to even suggest that it's not a risk to Asian-Americans to call it the "Chinese virus". So, with all due respect, FUCK YOU!

cabot

(724 posts)
22. I get his point..
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:45 AM
Apr 2020

You have German measles, Marburg Virus, Lyme Disease, Ebola, etc...but we all know why dipshit insists on calling it the China virus.

If they re-open the wet markets, as it seems they are, then China should have to pay a penalty. I don't know..like, let's allow Taiwan to join the UN and every country can cancel its outstanding debt to China in order to recoup costs of treating the pandemic.

I blame Xi, not the Chinese people. They're just as much victims as everyone else. Xi's got to go.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,856 posts)
27. It was already given a name!
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:54 AM
Apr 2020

If it was originally called the “Chinese virus” by health authorities, then fine, but it wasn’t!

An idiot in the White House doesn’t get to rename it. He played no role in identifying it as a novel virus!

Renaming it was obviously an attempt by Trump to perpetuate xenophobia during this mess!

You know, like anti-Muslim xenophobia, Mr. Maher.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
35. That is what I wanted to reply
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:11 PM
Apr 2020

I suppose variations of Mers-Cov, Corona, Covid-19 are used pretty much worldwide. You know what is meant by it if you didn't just wake up from a coma. Those who point to previous pandemics/diseases named after their suspected origin neglect the fact that there was no need to come up with a new name. We already had a name and everyone understood it.

sop

(10,239 posts)
29. Problem is Trump himself blamed China for the virus, purposely stoking anti-China hysteria from
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:56 AM
Apr 2020

the WH podium on a daily basis. Trump also saw this as a convenient way to deflect responsibility for his own bungling of the US response, and as further justification for his disastrous ongoing China trade war.

Republican Senator Tom Cotton (and others in the GOP) then suggested the Chinese government was behind the outbreak of the virus, implying it was a military plot to destroy the American economy. Predictably, many of Trump's followers in the right-wing media picked up and ran with this conspiracy theory, resulting in Chinese-Americans being harassed and attacked.

Note to Bill Maher: Many on the left have taken exception to Trump's shameless politicization of the virus, and the anti-Chinese hysteria created by right-wing conspiracy theorists, not the naming of the virus.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
30. Pick on Maher day again is it? He's tolerable when he fits into our belief system, but...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 11:58 AM
Apr 2020

let him get one step out of line...

He is a libertarian comedian-- not a liberal, socialist, activist, or anything else people around here like to call themselves.

And we're back to defining any speech that doesn't conform to strict standards as racist sexist, or some other "-ist".

ismnotwasm

(41,999 posts)
31. I don't pick on him I ignore him. I've never liked his brand
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:00 PM
Apr 2020

To tell you the truth, generally the only time I see anything about him is here. And I’m never surprised

walkingman

(7,655 posts)
41. I like Maher in general but his "Chinese Virus" diatribe last night was total BS. The GOP
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:27 PM
Apr 2020

used the term as a derogatory statement, knowingly, and with malice. The right-wingers jumped on this with glee.

sop

(10,239 posts)
47. I love Maher and watch his show. I appreciate how he points out hypocrisy and finds the absurd
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:40 PM
Apr 2020

in every situation. I view Maher as a contrarian, not a libertarian. He prefers absolutism, not nuance, and can be inconsistent in his choice of targets. I reserve the right to criticize Bill Maher whenever I choose.

Bill's taken a lot of heat for his disparaging comments about the muslim faith over the years. He's opened himself up to a lot of hate from progressives, possibly the sort of reflexive criticism we see here. In the end, he's just a comedian.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
76. I feel more or less the same way
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:41 PM
Apr 2020

But I wasn’t a big fan of this particular point even though he is correct about it. Lyme, Conn., Ebola river in Zaire, etc.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
34. A very recent news release asserted that the CV-19 virus that
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:09 PM
Apr 2020

infected the US CAME FROM EUROPE. It was determined through research on contact tracing.

hardluck

(640 posts)
44. That was New York specific
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:35 PM
Apr 2020

Many of the strains found in New York were traced to Europe, while some were traced to the West Coast and Asia. Doesn’t change the fact that the outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 started in China.

As to Maher, he an attention seeking ass, and he’s getting what he wants here. Same as always.

Paladin

(28,271 posts)
42. Fuck you dead, Bill Maher.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:31 PM
Apr 2020

He didn't say one fucking word about how using "Chinese virus" would set off trump scum violence against U.S. citizens with Asian backgrounds, did he? (Somebody confirm that---I stopped watching Maher a long time ago.) What the hell is wrong with the "COVID-19" designation?

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
58. I wish Maher was more intelligent. He's got a lot of writers and information.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:17 PM
Apr 2020

Carville is funny also, but is grounded in political philosophy, real experience, and depth - agree with Carville or not.

Maher is too much like trump. Lot of access, assumes he is smart, shallow, smirky.

Silent3

(15,259 posts)
50. If it were just being used as a casual name, that would be one thing...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:48 PM
Apr 2020

...but you could tell Trump was specifically and transparently calling COVID-19 the "China virus" (in that strange, over-enunciated way Trump says "[CH/G]I-NAH" ) in an effort to deflect blame from himself. And that's disgusting.

Mike Nelson

(9,966 posts)
52. Hey Bill...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 12:53 PM
Apr 2020

... it really doesn't matter, now. The virus has two names... Corona and Covid. We certainly don't need a third.

Wounded Bear

(58,699 posts)
56. He's a comedian. Sensitivity training wasn't on the curriculum...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:04 PM
Apr 2020


Part of his schtick is poking people where they feel uncomfortable. I don't get much chance to watch him anymore since he's on cable, but he was never really a "liberal." He's mostly a libertarian that leans left on some things.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
57. The difference is that Asian Americans are being attacked
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:09 PM
Apr 2020

When they called it Zika and Ebola, people weren’t getting beaten up because of it. This has consequences for AMERICANS who just happen to have Asian features.

 

HarlanPepper

(2,042 posts)
72. I have a few West African friends living in NYC who would disagree
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:38 PM
Apr 2020

2014-15 wasn’t a great time for them.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
84. That was wrong, too. But it doesn't excuse beating up Asian Americans.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:10 PM
Apr 2020

And we are not talking about people from China. We are talking about families who've been Americans for generations.

It would be like suddenly beating up multi-generational African-Americans for the Ebola virus.

Ilsa

(61,697 posts)
59. Just my opinion, but this isn't about China.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:27 PM
Apr 2020

Diseases could easily come from other wild and remote locations. Tearing down rainforests deep in the Amazon could unleash viruses and bacteria we've never seen. Drilling into ancient permafrost could do the same. This isn't about about "China". It's about humanity spreading out and using up resources by encroaching into places that defend themselves, so to speak.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
60. So Bill Maher is a bigot
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 01:35 PM
Apr 2020

Why is anyone surprised? He has been one for decades. It’s not new news. What is disgusting is the Maher sycophants who will defend him just because he doesn’t like Trump.

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
64. +1. Both Maher and Trump are amoral opportunists
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:03 PM
Apr 2020
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/18/us/tv-host-s-words-draw-criticism-and-apology.html

TV Host's Words Draw Criticism and Apology
Jan. 18, 2001

The ABC television network yesterday rebuked Bill Maher, star of its late-night talk show, ''Politically Incorrect,'' for making insensitive comments about the mentally disabled.

During the show's Jan. 11 telecast, Mr. Maher compared his dogs to ''retarded children,'' adding, ''They're sweet. They're loving. They're kind. But they don't mentally advance at all.'' He made the comments in a discussion about parenting.
 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
65. Maher is a jackass...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:03 PM
Apr 2020

so hearing that he wants to justify his own racist tendencies isn't surprising. I'm said to see so many do it here though.

Galraedia

(5,027 posts)
66. China is responsible for the wet markets that created this mess in the first place.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:04 PM
Apr 2020

The wet markets in China are a petri dish for the creation of deadly viruses. China's government knows this, which is why they closed them. Unfortunately, they've reopened them again. Which is insulting to every nation and culture currently dealing it. China's response has not been to address the underlying issue, which is their utter lack of food, health, and safety regulations. Instead they have chosen to isolate it long enough for it to go away only to rinse and repeat the same cycle over again.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
67. We have seen reports that the Chinese government at first tried to cover up what was
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:07 PM
Apr 2020

happening in Wuhan. If they had been more forthcoming about it early on then perhaps the world would have been in a better position to prepare for what has happened since then. So I think I understand where Bill is coming form. It's not about anti-Chinese racism. It's about unconscionable conduct on the part of the Chinese government.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
75. I truly don't understand why people put so much stock in Bill Maher...
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:40 PM
Apr 2020

or any media blowhard. Too much "opinion" and not enough "fact" is killing this country.

The Magistrate

(95,255 posts)
77. A Mindless Contrarian, Ma'am
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 02:43 PM
Apr 2020

Even when he is right, he's wrong, because nothing but a reflexive opposition to what he imagines to be a consensus of well-meaning people animates him, and he just wants to be the bad boy people can't help but notice.

Notoriety is not fame, but people of his sort cannot tell the difference.

dalton99a

(81,570 posts)
82. +1. I expect to see him increase his attacks on Democrats next year
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:02 PM
Apr 2020

(assuming Trump will depart from the scene)


Lancero

(3,011 posts)
89. Honestly, if he's going that route it'd be more accurate to call it the Carnovirus.
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:18 PM
Apr 2020

Might have originated in China sure, but it originated specifically because someone had to satisfy their blood fetish.

mainer

(12,029 posts)
91. Although one scientist said it could be from bat guano, not from eating bats
Sat Apr 11, 2020, 03:49 PM
Apr 2020

Farmers in China collect bat guano for fertilizer. The first case of Covid had no connection with wet markets, so maybe it came from a farmer.

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