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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUsing corn alcohol for auto fuel in hand sanitizer
There are enormous plants making fuel grade ethanol. Nobody is driving and the 10% added to gasoline could be easily replaced with more gasoline. Why cant we produce enough hand sanitizer to supply domestic and foreign demand?
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)It's a good opportunity to collect, sanitize and reuse them.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)DeminPennswoods
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rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)disposable plastic when we can collect and reuse empty sanitizer bottles or a bigger PET bottle to make refill bottles. All the manufacturers have to do is ask for Americans to return their empty hand sanitizer bottles and I'm pretty sure they'd have an avalanche of them.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)Where would the bottles be dropped off? Who would pick up the bottles and haul them to be cleaned and sanitized? How would they then get to the plant that makes the hand sanitizer? It might be a lot easier to refill people's existing bottles like they do with filtered water.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)in factories that produce the stuff. And youd have to sort all these containers into batches based on size and shape and then ship those to the facilities that can use those on their individual bottling lines.
Its a patently ridiculous idea. Just wash your hands.
Stinky The Clown
(67,806 posts)It can go into former hand sanitizer bottles, shampoo bottles, ketchup squeeze bottles, for gosh sakes.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)I suspect it is made and bottled in the same plant.
When we run out I plan to carry soap and water in the car on my rare trips to stores. I wear a mask and gloves.
Stinky The Clown
(67,806 posts)Consumers put it into their own containers which, honestly, can be most anything handy.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)because that is what they have. We started this with a rather large bottle on hand and have been refilling pocket sized bottles. My wife also received two gag bottles, "You Might Have Touched Your Genitals" and "Thank You for Holding My Hair" from the business she worked at before it shut down. The contents of the bottles is legitimate hand sanitizer. We seldom go anywhere except for walks but always carry sanitizer when we do.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,192 posts)BrightKnight
(3,567 posts)People are making now. Im just reusing an empty sanitizer bottle.
Any government would buy ship loads of 55 gallons drums of it.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)it from them.
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)BrightKnight
(3,567 posts)in the US, there is no reason why hand sanitizer has to be scarce. There is no reason why small scale brewers have to make it. Something does not add up.
BrightKnight
(3,567 posts)to commandeer it.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Cut half and half with 100 proof vodka for 3.5 liters of 63% alcohol. Carry a saturated paper towel in a baggie everywhere I go. Even added a little peppermint extract for a pleasant smell.
Corn liquor would be just as good.
ProfessorGAC
(65,057 posts)I've been, several times each, to the 3 manufacturing sites that produce the 2 best selling brands.
The access to denatured ethanol (SDA40B & SDA3A) isn't a problem.
The issue is threefold.
1. Nearly the entire supply chain of this product line has fiscal year ending Dec 31. It's common practice to shed inventory to nearly critical low to remove inventory from one side of the balance sheet & unsold liability from the other. The delta then becomes cash. So cash positions look better at close of books.
Normally, this isn't an issue because they have all at Q1 to rebuild the inventory, allowing to meet swings in weekly demand.
With the CV19 outbreak, demand exploded while inventories were low in all phases of the chain, including packaging. So inventory ran dry.
2. These plants, while multi product and reasonably large have dedicated cGMP vessels for making the product. These are NOT high volume kettles. Typically only a couple thousand gallons. And they operate 24/7. In one site, there are 2 kettles, & 4 people doing the work. Measurements are all automated, so adding staff wouldn't make it go faster, and volume is fixed. They simply don't have the infrastructure to suddenly increase production by three or four hundred percent.
3. The packaging piece was affected by #1. But, there are FDA claims & EPA registrations in place. The reuse of packaging is not only inconsistent with cGMP, but violates the associated regulations. So, it's taking time just
In fact, your OP suggests otherwise. If there's 10% EtOH in gas, and demand is down 30%, there's already all that available alcohol without reformulating gas. There is PLENTY of it out there.
The per gallon price is already down 40¢ per gallon due to reduced demand!
So, ethanol supply is most assuredly NOT the bottleneck.