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struggle4progress

(118,285 posts)
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 07:45 AM Apr 2020

A second, hidden pandemic will follow

By Michael L. Barnett
APRIL 8, 2020

... Doctors’ offices across the country have emptied. Many practices, including mine, have canceled practically every routine appointment and elective surgery that can possibly wait to avoid exposing patients to covid-19. Millions of Americans have lost jobs, and with them, health insurance and a stable income to pay out-of-pocket health-care costs. Patients who are older and those with chronic illnesses are justifiably afraid to venture into health-care settings and risk contracting covid-19.

... Americans’ health may deteriorate during the fight against the pandemic. The intensive care units in which doctors make desperate efforts to save covid-19 patients may be the stuff of your nightmares. But what keeps me awake at night are the calm hallways and empty doctors’ schedules outside emergency rooms and ICU wards.

... Many diets will slump. Expecting the typical American to keep up with regular exercise under the circumstances is probably a joke. Patients will avoid filling their prescriptions, out of fear of pharmacies or financial desperation. And mental-health issues will flare as the economy worsens and people are stuck at home for weeks.

... Cardiologists have observed that hospital volumes for the most severe type of heart attack, known as a STEMI, are mysteriously low. Neurologists are also reporting fewer strokes. While it is possible that social distancing is somehow lowering the risk of acute problems such as stroke and heart attack, I fear this is a sign that people are avoiding hospitals — even in extreme circumstances ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/08/covid-19-pandemic-will-end-americas-next-health-crisis-is-already-starting/?arc404=true

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A second, hidden pandemic will follow (Original Post) struggle4progress Apr 2020 OP
Kick for exposure Maeve Apr 2020 #1
Telehealth! You can do it over the phone with your pcp. McCamy Taylor Apr 2020 #2
Had an appointment with my rheumatologist by phone on Tuesday. pazzyanne Apr 2020 #13
There Is Certainly Something To That, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #3
Indeed, Americans have more underlying health conditions IronLionZion Apr 2020 #4
And that is just the "body" side RockCreek Apr 2020 #5
You've expressed my fears. Pacifist Patriot Apr 2020 #9
Also see the DU post on new reporting of deaths RockCreek Apr 2020 #6
The elective surgeries that are rightly being postponed Progressive dog Apr 2020 #7
I've assumed since mid February this would go on for 18 months bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #8
I have felt the same way, that this will go on, gab13by13 Apr 2020 #11
I find myself extremely lucky, gab13by13 Apr 2020 #10
Mental health is already a big problem. DVRacer Apr 2020 #12
I know that I have been going through a serious mental crisis since this began. Initech Apr 2020 #15
Empirical comments Marthe48 Apr 2020 #14
A Very Thoughtful and Enlightening Post panfluteman Apr 2020 #16
Our average life expectancy is going to take a big hit this year, and this is AtheistCrusader Apr 2020 #17
So many consequences of this Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2020 #18
Perhaps the reduction in heart attacks and strokes Zing Zing Zingbah Apr 2020 #19
There's going to be a lot of people who need treatment but cant get it. Initech Apr 2020 #20
K&R Blue Owl Apr 2020 #21

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
2. Telehealth! You can do it over the phone with your pcp.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 07:59 AM
Apr 2020

My clinic has gone to telehealth and it is working well.

pazzyanne

(6,556 posts)
13. Had an appointment with my rheumatologist by phone on Tuesday.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 09:07 AM
Apr 2020

Decided not to do the lab tests to keep myself out of the clinic. Did schedule my infusions set for October to keep me in remission. Hope things have calmed down by then.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
4. Indeed, Americans have more underlying health conditions
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:07 AM
Apr 2020

like heart disease and diabetes and other chronic conditions that require treatment or it gets worse. Millions losing jobs and health insurance isn't helping. Trump supporters are online claiming that socialist doctors are inflating the numbers by counting heart attacks and similar as COVID-19 deaths because they want to bring down Trump.

You can also make a difference. If you have a medical concern, reach out to your doctors. They are not too busy to help you. Though we may not be battling covid-19 in the intensive care unit, primary care doctors are supporting the front-line medical troops by keeping everything else out of the emergency room. You can help everyone by taking care of yourself before it’s too late.

RockCreek

(739 posts)
5. And that is just the "body" side
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:14 AM
Apr 2020

Mental health (and the mind and brain are part of the body, so mental health should not be split off this way is suffering, and is likely to snowball.
The trauma of illness, fear, sudden changes, death.
The increase in emotional, verbal and physical abuse when people are shut in together for long periods of time.
Individual therapy can be done by telehealth -- if someone has the quiet and privacy in their home to participate.
Many groups are already online. Partial hospitals and Intensive outpatient programs are making the switch.
In NYC all City hospitals closed their inpatient psychiatric units last week except the State institute. The extremely seriously ill were transferred there.
Pain, trauma, disruption lead to substance use for many people. We already had an opioid epidemic, and a rapidly growing methamphetamine problem -- on top of alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, additional illicit substances.
How many people in recovery will relapse? How many will start use and develop substance use problems?

And remember, the above issues apply to and affect kids, old people, whole families not isolated individuals.

The mental health and substance use prevention and treatment systems were struggling or broken throughout the country before this pandemic. What will happen now with the multiple immediate stresses and likely future surge in need?

RockCreek

(739 posts)
6. Also see the DU post on new reporting of deaths
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:22 AM
Apr 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213256485

The Gothsmist article linked gives more detail for NYC how evaluation is not always able to be done as adequately via telehealth, people are being sent home after only quick evaluations in the ED, and people afraid to get medical care do not go for treatment.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
7. The elective surgeries that are rightly being postponed
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:31 AM
Apr 2020

include many (most) that will become emergencies at some time.
Yesterday, I went to a lab in a large medical building to have blood drawn as prescribed by a specialist after a video visit. There was almost no one else there.
One nurse was at a desk in the lobby. She questioned me about possible symptoms and took my temperature before allowing me to enter. The only other person I saw or heard in the building was the one lab tech who drew my blood.
The sugeries and testing that are being postponed will certainly result in deaths, whether or not the patients could afford the treatments that must be postponed.

bucolic_frolic

(43,172 posts)
8. I've assumed since mid February this would go on for 18 months
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:31 AM
Apr 2020

Never a doubt. Until there is a vaccine with actual mass vaccinations, it will roll onward even if in reduced numbers. The vulnerable won't be safe to seek healthcare until the genie is back in the bottle. Trump has no plan to make that happen.

gab13by13

(21,349 posts)
11. I have felt the same way, that this will go on,
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:51 AM
Apr 2020

because Trump has restricted step #1, Test, Test, Test. We have tested 0.8% of our population and Trump wants to send people back to work May 1st by just taking their temperature. If Trump does this we are in for a 2nd wave. Few testing may have diminished the numbers for Trump politically but the virus doesn't give a damn about politics.

gab13by13

(21,349 posts)
10. I find myself extremely lucky,
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:47 AM
Apr 2020

I had my ablation done to fix my A-Fib on Jan. 23rd. I have been dealing with A-Fib off and on for 10 years. I found out 3 weeks ago that UPMC was no longer doing ablations. I got in before the virus hit the fan. UPMC uses tele-medicine, or whatever you call it, my March 26th appointment was done face time over my phone. I am fine now, I have just been taken off Amiodarone which has 3 bad side effects if taken long enough. One of the side effects is that it deposits on the cornea, which it did for me. I was also lucky in that I got new glasses just in time, it's where I found out about my cornea, but my opthamologist told me the Amiodarone will dissipate after I get off of it. Had I not been so lucky I would still be on that drug until who knows how long. I used the UPMC App to thank all of the people who took care of me. I was truly blessed.

This story is not a life threatening story, I could still be taking the Amiodarone and waiting for an ablation and not have new glasses. Many people are going to face life by postponing non-critical operations and I feel for them. I feel so lucky.

DVRacer

(707 posts)
12. Mental health is already a big problem.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 08:55 AM
Apr 2020

My wife who dispatches for Tulsa just on Monday alone in a 1hr period handled four suicides later had two more over her 12hr shift. It has not really got anywhere near its peak yet for us. Other crime is increasing as well people are being stressed to breaking points.

Initech

(100,078 posts)
15. I know that I have been going through a serious mental crisis since this began.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 09:28 AM
Apr 2020

I've never needed anti anxiety medication in my entire life. Now that the virus has come along I've reached a breaking point. This is the scariest thing I've ever seen.

Marthe48

(16,963 posts)
14. Empirical comments
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 09:27 AM
Apr 2020

Since this horror has come on us, I have stayed on my food plan to get my fbg down. I've been working on getting it down since Oct. I've lost 32 lbs. I joined a gym with my Silver Sneakers card last fall, but didn't go there much. However, the class is now online and I've participated for 2 weeks. Several other people are in the class as well. I see a lot of my neighbors walking their dogs or themselves every day, which is usual. My daughter and her husband live near DC, and she says when they walk for exercise, there are usually many people out walking, and other exercise. My friend in Cleveland says there are many people in the park and they are friendly but observe social distance.

I have an eye appt in Cleveland May 2. I have decided to cancel it, and it is a hard choice. But I don't want to travel to and from a hot spot. I think I am far enough along in my treatment that I am not risking vision loss, but if it comes to that rock and a hard place, seems preferable to have one good eye and be alive.

One of my husband's good friends just went on hospice. Inoperable cancer. Against this terrifying backdrop of uncontrolled sickness, we are all living our lives.

Thank you for caring. One of the things that hits home to me is the outrage about how our inept government is hoarding supplies, playing favorites among the states and so on is that no one I know says 'I might need a respirator.' They say, 'Someone needs that respirator. Someone needs those masks.' I find joy seeing that so many people care about others and it is a wonderful antidote against the evil that sits among us.

panfluteman

(2,065 posts)
16. A Very Thoughtful and Enlightening Post
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 09:51 AM
Apr 2020

Just yet another thing that isn't being covered by our shallow and sensationalizing media.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
18. So many consequences of this
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 10:54 AM
Apr 2020

My MIL was just diagnosed with stage 4 cancer this week. It sucks that my husband can't go with her to her doctor's appointments, but because of COVID-19 he's not allowed to go in with her. She is mentally and physically a mess and we're both afraid she isn't going to make the best decisions right now or even understand what her options are. Everything that is going on right now is making it a lot harder to for us to be able to help her.

Zing Zing Zingbah

(6,496 posts)
19. Perhaps the reduction in heart attacks and strokes
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 10:58 AM
Apr 2020

is related to people to being more sedentary right now? Just a thought.

Initech

(100,078 posts)
20. There's going to be a lot of people who need treatment but cant get it.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 10:58 AM
Apr 2020

Whether it's mental health, cancer, or worse. The ripple effects of this pandemic are going to be enormous.

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