Any One Else Believe that Netanyahu Wants To Cost Obama The Election

[outsideworld]

I mean i think now more than ever its obvious that he is in bed with Romney.And is trying to make the Jewish vote abandon O .

[riverbendviewgal]

1. I don't think the Jewish people in America want a war

and also many in Israel don't want a war either.


here is a good read on this subject.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article364

t is the U.S.-Israeli byplay that is most fascinating. On the surface, Israel is driving U.S. policy. On closer examination, the reverse is true. Israel has bluffed an attack for years and never acted. Perhaps now it will act, but the risks of failure are substantial. If Israel really wants to act, this is not obvious. Speeches by politicians do not constitute clear guidelines. If the Israelis want to get the United States to participate in the attack, rhetoric won't work. Washington wants to proceed by increasing pressure to isolate Iran. Simply getting rid of a nuclear program not clearly intended to produce a device is not U.S. policy. Containing Iran without being drawn into a war is. To this end, Israeli rhetoric is useful.

Rather than seeing Netanyahu as trying the force the United States into an attack, it is more useful to see Netanyahu's rhetoric as valuable to U.S. strategy. Israel and the United States remain geopolitically aligned. Israel's bellicosity is not meant to signal an imminent attack, but to support the U.S. agenda of isolating and maintaining pressure on Iran. That would indicate more speeches from Netanyahu and greater fear of war. But speeches and emotions aside, intensifying psychological pressure on Iran is more likely than war.

[garthranzz]

11. Link problem

http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article36468.html

Part was cut off. This is it.

[Scootaloo]

18. Wait wait... you think "Israel supporters" give a shit what Israelis want, much less American Jews?

No. "Support for Israel" has always, always been a "shield" term - you know, like "family values" being a shield for homophobia, or "protecting the border" being a shield for hating Hispanics.

You won't find too many Israel supporters who are particularly concerned about what benefits Israel.

[oberliner]

29. What's it a shield for?

What are they actually concerned about?

[Scootaloo]

33. You're asking for an essay.

it's one I've been giving thought to researching and writing, actually. What's abundantly clear to me is that the "Israel Supporters" are really no different from the people who spent their time boosting the Iraq war. It's not that they care about one side or the other. They just want people to die, and htey want to be the "winning side," because it makes them feel tough and manly.

I'm sure there's more to it. As I said, that's full-on essay stuff, though

[mucifer]

2. Not all of us Jews are Zionists. I sure am not one.

A lot less of us are Zionists than a generation ago.

Oh and there is no secret Zionist movement to take over the world.

[Honeycombe8]

3. Yes. I don't think he's in bed w/Romney, but he wants a Repub in office. But Obama could've diffused

the situation by agreeing to meet with him. That looks very bad and seems to support the accusation that Obama is trying to prevent Israel from protecting itself. People would've thought...well, Obama is being reasonable,he's meeting with Netanyahu, he's working on it, he's not anti-Israel, etc. When Obama refused the mtg, it fed into Netanyahu's statements.

[Tx4obama]

5. Netanyahu never requested a meeting. See article on link below

Here: http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/politics/obama-netanyahu-iran/index.html

[garthranzz]

10. Ah, but will this get as much play as the original?

Of course not. Rather than seeing the first "announcement" as a balloon from Adelson or some RWer in Israel - I note that Blitzer did not say the "Israeli source" was in Bibi's circle, they will say that this a smoke screen.

What a mess.

[Cha]

31. I hope so! We can Tweet It! nt

[Cha]

20. Ah, FACTS! Priceless..could help people jumping to

conclusions.

"The Obama administration pushed back later Tuesday.

"Contrary to reports in the press, there was never a request for Prime Minister Netanyahu to meet with President Obama in Washington, nor was a request for a meeting ever denied," the White House said Tuesday night in its statement, which made reference to "our close cooperation on Iran and other security issues."

[Honeycombe8]

21. I'll post an etiquette tip for you. Could help you get along with others. nt

[Honeycombe8]

22. Yes, I heard that later. Thx. nt

[sabrina 1]

30. So it's Obama's fault?

Okay!

[madaboutharry]

4. Take it from me,

the majority of American Jews think Netanyahu is an asshole.

[KharmaTrain]

6. An Israeli Attack On Iran...

...would be a bigger mess for the rushpublicans than it would for President Obama. Firstly...there's little political appetite for the U.S. getting involved in another Middle East mess. Bishop Willard would turn war hawk and scare more voters than he'd turn on. Think about the Georgia fiasco that happened with Gramps McCain in '08...he jumped the gun and looked like a foreign policy fool.

The Jewish vote will not rally around Bishop Willard, Bibi and Adelson's money. There is a segment of American Jews who never have liked President Obama...didn't vote for him in '08 and won't in '12. Not all American Jews are Likudniks and reject the extreme right wing of Israel as much as we do their fundie supporters here.

While I used to think Bibi was sabre rattling about Iran, I suspect he's ready to launch an attack. Syria's and Egypt are tied up in their own domestic situations and there are really few downsides...Bibi doesn't give a rat's ass about world opinion. I do think that he risks alienating more Americans that could help President Obama.

[progressivebydesign]

7. I think Adelman has his creepy old hand in this... n/t

[2ndAmForComputers]

8. He's a far right lunatic, what did you expect?

[Gman]

12. Absolutely

I 100% fully expect Israel to strike Iran next month, in OCtober. I 100% expect the Cheney/Rumsfeld right wing to pull their own "reverse" wag the dog/October surprise with Israel striking Iran. Hide and watch. It will happen.

[JaneyVee]

13. American Jews by a huge majority hate Netanyahu.

[hifiguy]

25. Somehow I don't find that surprising.

in the least. AIPAC, on the other hand, has been going steady with the fringe of the Israeli right wing for as long as I can remember.

[jsr]

14. Netanyahu is no friend of the United States

He's a low life thug who is trying to exploit an American presidential election for personal gain.

[DonRedwood]

19. but he is a friend of Romney, that's for sure.

[rl6214]

15. The Jewish vote went primarily for Obama in 08

I don't really see it changing this election.

[Jack Rabbit]

16. He's a good friend of Adelson, who is in bed with Romney

. . . now that he's not in bed with Newtie the Cutie. I guess Newt had to ask Adelson to leave in order to make room for Callista's successor.

[Poll_Blind]

17. I read several mainstream media articles this evening which suggested exactly that.

And a few days ago I posted one of them.

But Netanyahu spent all day today slamming Obama and Hillary Clinton and so there were a number of new articles on the phenomenon.

PB

[Thrill]

23. Of course. He's a neocon

[Cleita]

24. You mean Rush's good buddy, Bibi?

Yeah, I think it's possible.

[Aerows]

26. Netanyahu

Is busy making his own mess in his own country. It won't be long before he gets thrown out on his behind due to his incompetence. It won't have anything to do with anyone else - he's paved his own road.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

27. It's as obvious as the nose -

on Jimmy Durante's face.

Bibi wants Romney/the Neocons in power -- easier to push around and hide behind their skirts.

[Avalux]

28. I don't think Netanyahu is popular among Jewish Americans.

He is an extremist, and years ago when he slipped from power, I was relieved. He's managed to scratch his way back to the top, and desperately wants Romney to win the election so they can wreak havoc together. But I think his influence in this country is minimal.

[UTUSN]

32. Yup. Always did, always does. n/t