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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCleveland.com had not much reason to be smug about OH CV Stats versus MI's
Link to the article that XXXD me off:
https://www.cleveland.com/news/2020/04/michigan-now-has-close-to-quadruple-ohios-coronavirus-cases-what-could-be-causing-the-difference.html
In summary, they noted that MI's current caseload is more than three times greater than OH's.
True, but even in their own stats they show that this was the case back on 20 March.
By my use of the the Avi Schiffman data, from Mar 23 to Apr 4 Michigan caseload increased 12.3 times and Ohio 9.4 times.
Advantage OH? Better mitigation efforts? Not so fast.
!. Until mid-March, Detroit's airport was a major international hub. If anything, OH's airport international travel was to-from Canada (presumably with some flights also south of the US border, especially during spring break). AND the Detroit area hosted a major international car crossing into Canada. Result: More opportunities for CV to seed MI vs OH.
2, As of this date, Detroit airport continues to receive flights from all over the US. Lots more chances for CV seeding.
3. Given the difficulties in getting tests read and positives found, this factor (IMO) cannot be discounted in "case increase rates."
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)And were keeping Toledo too!
Lol, kidding.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Lol...you got Toledo...we got the Upper Peninsula back in 1836.
A MUCH better deal!
Ms. Toad
(34,075 posts)Ohio declared it on March 9, the day of its first case. Michigan declared it on March 10, a day before its first case.
I suspect at least part of the difference is how much community spread there was before detection of the first case. Once it gets a toehold in, a lot of it is out of our control. That's why early testing is so critical.
Raven123
(4,849 posts)The article noted the the similar timing in mitigation strategies, the fact of Detroit airport being a significant site of international arrivals/departures, the fact that MIs primary was held esrlier and not called off, and the impact of test volume on the stats. I think it was just pointing out how many factors contribute to real and reported disease stats.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)MichMan
(11,938 posts)For disclosure I don't live in that area anymore but a couple hours away, so some of what I am saying is anecdotal from what I have heard in the new and from friends etc.
1) The Stay at Home orders issues by the governor are somewhat ambiguous and people don't understand what is essential and what isn't. They keep trying to clarify them every other day or so. Example is even though they say stay at home, outdoor activities are allowed, so city and state parks were open etc. Well, the intent was for people to walk their dogs, get some fresh air and such.
People foolishly decided that all park activities were then OK, so the playgrounds were full, people were playing basketball, and having picnics etc. Golf was first allowed for a week and then it was disallowed, the Detroit mayor just ordered the basketball hoops taken down because people won't use common sense. Kids are running around in groups like it is summer vacation and guys are riding their motorcycles all over. So much for Stay at Home.
Yesterday, the State Police interpreted the governor's order to mean that pleasure boating wasn't essential and isn't allowed. Gov. Whitmer's office than said within hours that the police were wrong and it was permitted. If the State Police can't even understand the executive orders, how is the general populace expected to follow them?
2) The list of businesses that had to close down and those who stay open because they are considered "essential" don't always seem to make sense IMO. The problem was that once a business was called essential, anything in that business becomes allowable.
For example, auto repair shops are essential in case people needed their cars repaired for groceries or medical emergencies. Doesn't mean going to Jiffy Lube for an oil change is essential, but they fell into the same category. Because repair shops are essential, so are auto parts stores. So now you have guys running in and out buying stuff like waxes and polishes and doing routine maintenance because they have nothing else to do. People were taking their whole families into the grocery stores etc. Just a total lack of common sense.
The big home improvement stores were called essential in case someone had a plumbing emergency or something catastrophic happen in their home. So people are taking multiple trips a day shopping in droves & buying stuff like flats of petunias, lawn mowers, light fixtures, lumber and working on all these remodeling projects because they have the time.
3) Finally, some of the decisions on what must close seems ridiculous to me. Veterinarians were told to close unless it was a life threatening emergency, yet people are lined up buying lottery tickets and the pot shops are open doing business as usual. 4 months ago, pot was illegal, and now it is essential. Go figure
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)Theres factories still open around here that I dont consider essential at all. For example, a company that manufactures adhesive products which can later be manufactured (SOMETIMES by its customers) as STICKERS for food and medical product labels.
Many businesses are finding loopholes and exposing their employees to other people.
I dont think the government bureaucracy is big enough to really stop it. Restaurants and other service industries are easier to monitor.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Many flights to China. I think this bug has been here since December. I had something very similar to it in early January.
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,855 posts)... throughout the USA according to this site: https://www.flightradar24.com/40.45,-88.97/2
It looks like a congested mess around China and Europe too.
Almost nothing to/from Africa, which coincidentally has very few cases of the virus.
TheBlackAdder
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