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Published 2 hours ago on April 4, 2020
By Lucian K. Truscott IV, Salon- Commentary
This article first appeared in Salon.
Were all going to know someone who has died of the coronavirus when this is over. The tragic news is all over Facebook and Twitter already. My friend Patricia Bosworth, the actress and biographer, died on Friday of the virus. Everyone has friends and acquaintances who have the virus, family members who have died, favorite musicians or actors and friends of friends who are sick and dying. The virus has taken them from us, but so has Donald Trump with his inaction and lying and childish finger-pointing and failure to take responsibility.
Even the funerals have been taken from us. People grieve alone in apartments and bedrooms, many separated from family and loved ones, and outside our four walls, people keep getting sick and dying. There are photographs of refrigerated trailers lined up behind New York hospitals being used as mortuaries for the dead because there is no more room in the city morgues and funeral homes. Orders have been placed for 100,000 body bags, to remove the dead from hospitals that are overrun with patients dying by the hundreds every single day. The military doesnt even have enough body bags to keep up with the demand, as preparations are made for more people to die than the total of Americans killed in the Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korean wars combined. The Army could handle the dozens, even hundreds killed at the height of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but they cant handle tens of thousands of dead bodies to come.
Nobody is ready for what is coming. Already there are stories in the newspapers and on TV questioning the White House estimates of 100,000 to 240,000 dead. The White House officials who devised those models wont provide the assumptions that went into them, and none of the models contained an endpoint for when the virus might run its course and the dying will stop. I just saw a public health expert from the University of Minnesota on MSNBC who dismissed the White House models out of hand and said were looking at more than a million deaths from COVID-19 before the end of the year. More than a million.
This is chaos on a scale we have never seen before. Much of the chaos is the responsibility of Donald Trump in his role as president of the United States. He actively denied the size and severity of the threat and failed to provide leadership when it counted. This went on for months. As recently as a couple of weeks ago, Trump was crowing about reopening the economy by Easter. We cannot let the cure be worse than the disease, he said only last week. Weve never closed down the country for the flu. So you say to yourself, what is this all about?
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/trump-is-preparing-the-ground-for-a-totalitarian-dictatorship/
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)hasn't been paying attention.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)In fact, for several decades.
Those who read Greg Olear's great article last weekend, or who listen to Sarah Kendzior, are well aware of this.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)but the intent is clear.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)magicarpet
(14,155 posts)... so not too many obstacles remain to block trDumpie's path in his quest for The Western World's top Despot/Oligarch/MafiaThug.
So then unrestrained plunder, pilfer, launder $, can commence forthwith.
at140
(6,110 posts)Unlikely based on S. Korea's results, and our model is now closer to theirs.
NickB79
(19,253 posts)We're losing 1000+ a day already and we're just going up the curve. We're weeks from a peak, at which point we could be losing thousands a day. We're far closer to the UK or Italy than South Korea.
at140
(6,110 posts)which means deaths will also slowdown after that. We are not losing 1000/day in United States.
I am talking about United States deaths in 2020. My estimate is about 50,000 total.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-us-cases.html
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)Doodley
(9,093 posts)It will be in the thousands in the next few days.
D_Master81
(1,822 posts)Anyone who says we arent losing a thousand a day isnt paying attention. We have been right around a thousand for 3 days and will probably bee 1500+ today. At the current pace in a couple weeks we will also have the most deaths not just cases.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... CV 19 are high because of lack of testing
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213231399
NickB79
(19,253 posts)Nationwide average is looking to be May. Predictions for a mid-April peak assumed all social distancing would be observed nationwide. It is not being observed.
And yes, we lost almost 1300 on Friday.
We lost over 1000 on Thursday.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/more-than-1000-people-in-the-u-s-just-died-of-coronavirus-in-a-single-day/
New York alone lost 500+ in one day.
at140
(6,110 posts)S Korea is the size of Virginia. USA is huge, and it will be impossible to track every exposed individual like in S. Korea.
Come on people, you can do social distancing for a few weeks. The government does not have resources to hospitalize millions of people.
Botany
(70,516 posts)... of time.
C-19 Math
330,000,000 (US Pop.) x .4 (40 to 70% infection rate W.H.O. figures) x .03 (death rate W.H.O. figure) =
3,960,000 dead
I hope this equation is wrong. The only fixed # is the US population. I took the low end on the infection rate
and the 3% death rate MIGHT also include a higher death rate for other "things" such as accidents, chronic
medical problems, and diseases because our medical system might be over run.
Sadly outside of the "advanced nations" C-19 has a chance of running wild because they just don't have
the way to deal with it. The Gaza Strip + C-19 might be a hellscape.
at140
(6,110 posts)As we are testing more people in US, they are finding out that a large number of positive testing people have no symptoms (asymprommatic)
That in essence makes denominator larger, and death percentage lower.
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)But our response has been piecemeal, awful and lead to really bad results. I think we did enough to not have 2M+ deaths, but we are still very, very high ...
Botany
(70,516 posts)... might very well allow the disease to spread because people can have the disease and be actively
shedding virus for up to 2 weeks before they show signs of C-19.
This "beast" will not be under control until we have heard immunity, we have a vaccine, and
treatments for the disease.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)That is simply awful and unacceptable. I am not depending on Donny to save my 80 year old ass. I am practicing extreme preventive procedures. Not going out of the house except for groceries and driving my wife to hospital for cancer treatments. And wash hands after touching anything others may have touched. The only way this virus can be defeated is if we all practice prevention. The country can not survive if 10 million people get sick and need ICU hospital treatment. If people keep getting together in groups, we will be in dire straits.
Doodley
(9,093 posts)cases that are too early to add significantly to the death toll.
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)at140
(6,110 posts)In the new analysis, the death rate in confirmed COVID-19 cases is estimated to be 1.38%, while the overall rate,
which includes estimated unconfirmed cases, is calculated at .66%.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200331/covid-19-death-rate-drops-still-deadly-to-seniors
Squinch
(50,955 posts)uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... over 1 million dead in the US.
Swine flu looks to be the worst before cv19 but swine flue there was world leadership that kept the death rate down.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)meadowlander
(4,397 posts)The 100-240,000 is if we do everything right, which we obviously aren't doing. It assumed that we went into a country-wide stay at home order weeks ago. We haven't.
South Korea started aggressively testing and contact tracing and isolating cases from day 1. We didn't do any of those things. We don't even have a clue how many people currently actually have the disease.
Our curve isn't going to be anything like as good as South Korea's curve. We can already see that:
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I realized Trump's motive early on and then continued to observe him and is actions carefully.
Now it has been my opinion, based on what I see and know so far and I have posted some points here at DU.
A while back, somebody told me I had my "head up my ass" when I brought it up and mentioned a few points. That person kindly has now admitted that a Trump, dictatorial regime is very possible based on his behaviors overall.
Now, the only reason I would make this an issue is because: how dangerous to our democracy and way of life would a dictator who has total control with authoritarian rule be? Really. What's worse than that?
Maybe some folks are on a "it can't happen" here roll, or think our checks and balances can prevent it. I firmly believe it can happen here and we are discovering how a shifty confidence man who persists can muck up and neuter our checks and balances.
Once we have a full on dictatorship, there will be no foreign alliance that will land on our shores to save us and bring back democracy as in the past. We are on our own and you really don't have much of a chance of escaping totalitarianism once it becomes the norm.
Kaiserguy
(740 posts)America can become a fascist dictatorship overnight. The GOP has shown us that it has no regard at all for our democracy. It all depend on us. Do we sit back quietly or do we take to the streets in mass and do our best to stop it. As long as the military doesn't back Trump we have a good chance to stop it.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2020, 02:08 PM - Edit history (1)
The impulse to take it back is healthy and prudent.
However, it seems that we are in a touchy situation. He now controls the government to such an extent that civil unrest would actually be a big step for him in his playbook. Any emergency along those lines would allow for possible restrictions, curfews, Martial Law, et. In this case, that's Dictator Chow.
Frustrating. However, we may have other ways to fight this and at least, (thank goodness) we do have the House. As long as they are safe and it is intact, we may see some push coming to the shove.
brush
(53,787 posts)sly-rocketing and projected to reach 30%, higher than the 25% height of the Great Depression. Not to mention all the deaths from this virus which he neglected to do anything about for weeksand his handling of this pandemic is catastrophic in it's ineptness.
He's gone.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)Logistics, under COVID?
Call me crazy, but I believe this is intentional on drumpfs part.
What better way to neuter opposition movements than to make everyone stay home?
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)What do we do about it?
notdarkyet
(2,226 posts)shockey80
(4,379 posts)This is still America. If Trump ever tried to become a dictator the American people would burn the Whitehouse to the ground.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)I'm sorry.
Firing IC IG last night? Subverting notice provisions? This is a signal, as much as an autocratic move. Follow Adam Schiff. He thinks we are already there.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)ooky
(8,924 posts)plotting a dictatorial takeover, and he has a lot of enablers already in place around him, including pretty much the entirety of the GOP.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)happens this saying comes to mind, the tree of liberty must be refreshed time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
A dictator has to manage to keep people scared all the time. It's a lot tougher than the Presidency.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Have you ever considered that you are dealing with a character he has crafted, (as on a reality TV show) to induce you to consider him incapable of pulling off a dictatorship in America?
It's just a thought experiment. I would think a confidence man would be very skilled at convincing people to believe what he wants them to, both on the base side and ours, with two different outlooks.
They say, (I think Trump said this too, but I cannot source it) if you don't know he's a confidence man, then you are the mark.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Everybody with the means to leave would go to Canada. As long as they have money, education, and can support themselves they would be welcome. The entire professional class would be wiped out. It would devolve into a Lord Of The Flies situation with the MAGATS fighting among themselves.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)It will be like Yugoslavia on steroids.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)In the case of the former most fled to Miami. In the case of the latter most fled to Beverly Hills.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)Canada does not want us. There is a 6 month limit on non-Canadians living there, last I checked.
I would be interested in seceding, however. My state borders Canada. Viable option, in my mind.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The Start-up Visa Program is a general Investor Visa option that allows you to immigrate to Canada by starting a business anywhere in the country. You and your business will have to meet a set of requirements in order to be successful with your application. In general, your business must be innovative, create jobs for Canadians and be able to compete internationally. While you wait for your applications approval, you can also apply for a temporary work permit to keep you busy in Canada
https://canadianvisa.org/canada-immigration/business/investor-visa
You think doctors, lawyers, engineers and businespeople are going to want to live in Trump's Hee Haw dystopia and be led around by Jethro and Billy Bob who used to work at the filling station?
That's what happened in Cuba after Castro deposed Batista and in Iran when the Ayatollah overthrew the Shah. Everybody with the means to leave did.
I wouldn't be surprised if some successful Californians moved their operations to Mexico. That would be the ultimate irony.
Steelrolled
(2,022 posts)but this one could use some work.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Conspiracy theories are often speculative and even fomented and even encouraged by Russia and China for those in this country that fall for unsubstantiated information from questionable sources.
However, there are real conspiracies and they are the kind that provide evidence to substantiate the claims upon investigation. To dismiss that by calling something a conspiracy theory is also a tactic, as per Bush Jr.
Personally, Trumps actions have indicated a motivation that strongly supports this view and I think it is worthy of more than a superficial glance.
onenote
(42,714 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Or maybe you just don't like articles from Raw Story? You didn't make that clear
Maybe Americans just don't know enough to see it? One rubs the sleep from one's eyes and then wakes up.
Short list:
https://www.alternet.org/2018/06/trump-becoming-dictator-hes-already-showing-7-10-notable-signs/
https://abcnews.go.com/US/kimmel-trump-dictator-proof/story?id=54897841
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/05/donald-trump-dictator-not-enough-laugh
https://www.newsweek.com/robert-reich-how-tell-whether-trump-dictator-592238
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/trump-xi-jinping-dictators/554810/
There are plenty of articles that explore this dimension of Trump, (his personality indicates it, of course).
Read up more about it and then decide for yourself.
onenote
(42,714 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I understand. I actually use some media debunking tools that reveal a lot about various web sites, their veracity and leanings and even foreign influences.
In this case, the Raw Story article only skimmed the surface and provided a rather brief synopsis, so that is a flaw to me. It is not a new revelation, but it has less prominence than it should right now.
Let me know if you find any of the links helpful on the matter. There is a lot of good information out there on this and it is worthy of further consideration.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)Now, what do we do about it?
cayugafalls
(5,641 posts)With enough money and the proper media cooperation, the right can keep the blinders held firmly in place and elections can still happen so long as those running are corporate elite, the game is rigged. Pork will still roll into the hands of those at the top.
There is no need to go full blown Authoritarian Regime, there is only the need to install the right/evil people, of which Trump has done a tremendous job.
This is just my opinion and I hope we can sweep the Senate and Presidency this fall and start rebuilding, that is the only way we can start righting the ship at least to some extent.
Stay well.
brush
(53,787 posts)orange ass is going down. No incumbent has been re-elected when the nation is under going what we're enduring and will be enduring for months.
cayugafalls
(5,641 posts)Stay well.
brush
(53,787 posts)And then there are the deaths on his hands as well.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)He doesnt do preparation.
brush
(53,787 posts)approached. And if I recall correctly, no incumbent has been re-elected in the depths of a recession/depression. And what we're in now is shaping up to be a massive depression30% unemployment which is worse than the 25% height of the Great Depression.
procon
(15,805 posts)how easily he can be influenced and manipulated with a few words of Faux flattery. There are plenty of other actors around him who are smarter and they are playing a long game to bring down the US.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Of course hes also bad at executing their plans.
Thats the problem with useful idiots. In the end they are still idiots.
Thats why I still like our odds.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)He will lie and cheat to do it. His pathology will not allow him to do less.
He may get his second term unless we get the vote out.
I am somewhat optimistic that people vote to get rid of him, and if they do we will have some kind of resistance from the pig.
He is going to whine and scream rigged election. He will sue and sue.
If he loses he will eventually be gone but the nutjobs on the right are the real threat.
There are certain number of them that are going to snap and kill people. We will see some increase in right wing terrorism.
Hopefully not many people will be hurt.
cilla4progress
(24,736 posts)Sadly.
I'm 65. I'm ready.
brush
(53,787 posts)And his henchmen as just as inept as he is. Plus, the nation won't stand for it.
dchill
(38,502 posts)...are pretty ept.
brush
(53,787 posts)equal competence. Plus, no incumbent has been re-elected with unemployment sly-rocketing and projected to reach 30%, higher than the 25% height of the Great Depression. Not to mention all the deaths from this virus which he neglected to do anything about for weeksand his handling of this pandemic is catastrophic in it's ineptness.
He's toast.
dchill
(38,502 posts)But his handling of this pandemic is NOT inept. It's a PLAN.
brush
(53,787 posts)200,000 deaths and an economy in shambles with 30% unemployment is the ticket to getting re-elected. The fool didn't anticipate any of this, which in my book shows, as I said, ineptness to the nth degree.
He won't weasel out of thisboth a national health debacle and an economic shutdown. It's an unprecedented federal failure.
He's gone come November.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)If you look at how far he has actually come, it gets more difficult to buy the "ineptitude" character he portrays superficially to us and the "stable genius" he represents to his base.
I mean, so far, those are some pretty startling results for somebody that is considered to be ill-equipped. They seem to be succeeding and the nation is hardly even able to see and admit the possibility so far, calling it a conspiracy theory, etc.
I guess being that inept makes having the DOJ stuffed in your pocket and the Attorney General acting as your lap dog just luck, etc.
I see him for what I think the information reveals him to be: a skilled con man with instinctive manipulative skills that he has been using and practicing all his grifter life. This might be a good time to come to terms with a clear and present danger rather than to underestimate an enemy.
And, as per Monty Python, "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."
brush
(53,787 posts)was competent leadership. And what about his handling of it now as it's here? Unemployment schedule to reach 30%, higher than the 25% of the Great Depression, not to mention the projected 100-200,000 deaths?
Please!
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I have no idea how you came to that conclusion or why you would decipher my comment that way.
You seemed to have missed my point entirely, but we often do read our own views into things. I do that sometimes also.
Thanks.
brush
(53,787 posts)Well, you could refer to my other comments in this post.
If you read some of the articles, (of which there are many) that I posted on the matter, that would certainly help to clarify what my point is.
brush
(53,787 posts)I don't want to misinterpret anyone here on DU. We're all on the same side and anti-trump hopefully.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I don't know what you don't understand.
Trump has a demonstrable dictatorial personality. His history tells us a lot about him, actually. We see behaviors and actions that, if they are not carefully investigated and parsed, give us a certain impression, (and his base another gets a different one) about him that allows for many misconceptions.
My point is that not only does he pass the dictator test, (and he also admires them greatly) he is and has been in the process of conditioning the population for a dictatorship. That's certainly not ineptitude, but ineptitude becomes a good cover. In many ways, he has shown success in steering us in that direction and our concern should be about that potential now.
In the past, my main thought about him (again, after investigating and paying attention) was, if this manipulator gets a national emergency, we are in big trouble, because that could facilitate his motives to take total control of the country under the guise of all the aspects of the character he presents that, like a confidence man, reveal a cloak for the real Trump.
If we see that this is a precarious situation because of that, (this is no ordinary term of presidency) then we might be able to have more resilience and less gullibility when it comes to his various tactics. In that case, now that he has switched around his position on the COVID-19 crises, we should be vigilant about a use of, and exploitation of, fear. That would be the next useful tactic in the playbook and that's what I will be watching for. When people are vulnerable, shocked and experiencing great loss, exacerbating their fears is a dictator's method. We shall see.
I hope that satisfied your question, but I think it is a rather deep and complex subject and deserves more attention.
brush
(53,787 posts)to pull it off. We have a thing called elections, and we have even more people who won't acquiesce to trump's machinations if he tries to block them. It might lead to blood but so be it...
Get on board.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)I am with you on voting him out, should there be an election. No doubt. I am right on board. We have to.
It is the "not smart enough" definition I don't agree with at all. Forgive me, but I now see that as intentional, or at least, it doesn't matter what he knows or thinks he knows, a fox only needs to know how to get in the hen house and there go the chickens.
Maybe we could say that he has a very well-developed "dictatorial intelligence" and that's all we need to be concerned with. You might have a mechanic that doesn't know a thing about classic literature or even science, but he might be able to fix anything on your car with great expertise even if you have no idea what that's all about. Maybe that's a good analogy.
brush
(53,787 posts)I mean how do you go bankrupt running casinos, even it you're money laundering through them? The odds are all in your favor. The mob otoh skimmed millions successfully for years until legendary Sheriff Ralph Lamb and Nevada authorities squeezed them out.
He would've actually made money if he'd just invested the 400 some million of his old man's money he cheated his sibling's out of instead of having to go to the Russian oligarchs because American banks would no longer touch him. Get it, he never paid back the loans they made to him.
He's failed at everything. The likelihood that all of a sudden he has the smarts to turn this country into a dictatorship, even if he has a dictatorial bent, is close to nil. And did I mention his history of failure in all his business from a college, an airline, selling steaks of all things, water, clothing and of course the casinos. I lived in NY during the '90s and took gambling junkets sponsored by the casinos down to AC. Trump's Taj Mahal, which he hyped for months as it was being built, was a colossally garish, plastic-y failure, which he doubled down on by buying other casinos on the Boardwalk, thereby cannibalizing it's potential profits by competing against himselfand of course he failed at all of them.
Why it's just genius I tell you, or should I say stable genius.
The only things he's been successful at is wiggling out of paying his depths/contractors, surviving his several bankruptcies and getting "elected" with Putin's help and repug cheatingif you call any of that being successful.
And btw, you failed to answer if you're on board with resistance if necessary. We do outnumber them you know.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)He has weathered all his immense failures and turned them into being the President of the United States of America. I call that a win. I do think one has to look at the actions of his MalAdminstration and various successes he has had in that context so far. They speak volumes and the information is readily available.
I don't know any complete nincompoops that could do what he has done, or I would agree. They usually talk a lot, reach their Peter Principle level of incompetence and read the Dunning Kruger Times. None of them could take the Presidency and mess up a country that well, that fast.
In other words, the proof is in the pudding. The cognitive dissonance is how does an idiot loser manage to do this? Oh, he has help, but he has to manage to get the support from those he uses and he has done that while being brash, rude, bossy, (insert list here).
On board with the resistance? Are the partisans stirring in the forests? What is your idea of a resistance other than using the usual means of voting him out, which we are all aware of and prepared for if we can do so.
In a sense, my pointing out of what appear to be Trump's tactics, real capacities and ulterior motives is an aspect of my resistance as i share what I have discovered and observed. The old saying, know thy enemy applies and the wolf can wear sheep's clothing, but it does come off. Then, we are better situated to grapple with the coming shocks and blows that Trump will wield on us as this crises develops.
brush
(53,787 posts)Every presidential admin has had at least one seriously challenging crisis. His is now and he has reached his level of incompetence with this dual virus and economic debacle that has laid bare his total unfitness for office. If the cavalier way he treated the approaching virus debacle, after being repeatedly warned of it is planned, I say it's the dumbest plan ever.
You can keep on giving him credit as a plan for the the state the country is in now but I don't.He badly miscalculated if this was his plan. He never anticipated the depths of misery that has insued. It'll take years for us to recover from this unfit idiot's mishandling of the WH stewardship he cheated his way intowith many others' help I must remind you. He was no genius mastermind of it at all. As I said before, he's the luckiest, dumb motherfucker ever, but his luck has run out.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)First they claimed he would cancel the election but that was debunked as not constitutionally possible so now the conspiracy theorists have changed to a new scenario.
Ill keep checking back weekly to see what the latest theory is.
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)are too incompetent to plan anything like a dictatorship.
PubliusEnigma
(1,583 posts)Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Related:
Donald Trump wants to be a dictator, says Art of the Deal co-author
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-dictator-art-of-the-deal-co-author-tony-schwartz-power-us-president-white-house-us-a8055841.html
Trump Is a Would-Be Dictator
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-impeachment-fascism-dictator/
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)Is it too soon to have a conversation about "Mussolini Bon Voyage Parties"?
Asking for a friend of a friend.
Faux pas
(14,681 posts)that's been the plan all along. He just got extra lucky that this virus came along.
dlk
(11,569 posts)Trump couldnt have done this alone. Hes just the face of the monster and when all is said and done, Republicans will make him the fall guy, not that he wont deserve to be. However, we must remember hes had lots of help.
kentuck
(111,102 posts)He is well on his way if he is so inclined...
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)One thing about this country is we fight eachother, but the majority of Americans really don't like being told what to do, that is why a attempted dictator will get met with a bad end.