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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy spouse is very concerned that trump could still win in November.
He thinks the way they spin the economy, unemployment, etc will convince too many people sitting on the fence, especially if their 401(k)s and IRAs recover.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Under The Radar
(3,405 posts)I have the same fear.
RandySF
(59,414 posts)We have to push hard.
Right now it is not just possible he will win, but likely
ProfessorGAC
(65,248 posts)To what? It's still down nearly 25%. There has been no time in the last 41 months that would justify a 25% gain by November.
Voter suppression, disinformation, lying & cheating are obvious concerns, but the market isn't going to recover to the point to make anybody with 15 years of retirement to forget the beating they took.
Ilsa
(61,705 posts)Not with the macro-economic issue of a pandemic still in effect, yet it's going up. Sure, there are actions like the rescue package helping it, but the big problem is still there.
Afromania
(2,771 posts)Ilsa
(61,705 posts)a bailout might not be enough to resolve, especially when we don't know how long this could last.
ProfessorGAC
(65,248 posts)If I were investing right now ( my IRA is in "no loss" annuities" , or investing other people's $, I wouldn't be counting on seeing anything approaching where it was.
There were systemic economic weaknesses, both micro & macro, that didn't justify the 29k Dow.
The virus exposed them and the direct impact caused a massive, corrective tumble.
The last 2 days were based, IMO, on traders thinking the cash infusion would mitigate some damage, & bargain hunters.
radius777
(3,635 posts)A recession is all but guaranteed: many small businesses will not come back, unemployment will rise to record levels, nobody knows when the virus situation will be resolved and until then the economy (both global and domestic) will not function normally.
davekriss
(4,628 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)... kept things closed, trashing the economy, when Trump wanted it opened up, which would have saved it.
I also think the up tick in Trump approval is due to the harping on how he saved us from the "Chinese virus" with his China travel ban.
Of course we know the extent to which the DT admin's resistance, incompetence, and lack of any sort of infrastructure to respond allowed the virus to circulate, undetected, for weeks prior to the ban. That is, the ban was doomed to failure, both because the virus was already here, and because of the incompetent way it was handled (they didn't actually test anyone "screened" -- CDC test was broken -- they just told those who were symptomatic to go home and quarantine. Anyone who was actually positive, had, of course, already exposed everyone on the plane).
The problem is "It would have been far worse if I hadn't stopped it with ban" is easy to understand. The interconnected sequence of failues, and reason they made it impossible to implement any sort of effective containment EARLY is more difficult to explain and get across.
Simple message has more legs than complicated message.
I hope I'm wrong, but I fear this crisis has increased, not descreased, his chances. If we think otherwise, and get overconfident that "he's toast," that will put the nail in our coffin (along with systematic suppression, disenfranchisement, etc.)
FBaggins
(26,775 posts)Did you miss that it gained almost that much since Monday?
I certainly wouldnt rule out the possibility.
jimfields33
(16,015 posts)November is a world away from now. Less then two months ago was impeachment and state of the union. Seems like a year ago.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)any legislation to secure our elections. And it isn't because of fence-sitters.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)If we allow BS and others to shoot our party in the foot, we will be looking at another 4 years of this moron. The country will be finished.
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NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)and the media keeps saying that the economy is great as well...and, too often I see Democratic talking heads on TV agreeing, "yes, the economy is great, but... "
They need to say that wage gains are due to Democrats at the state and local level raising the minimum wage.
TwilightZone
(25,499 posts)Seems like the opposite is usually the case.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/475415-candidates-say-trump-economy-not-working-for-most-americans
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/11/politics/pew-economy-democrats-republicans-views/index.html
https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-19/december-democratic-debate-economy-trump
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)If Trump keeps on as he is now, we'll all be dead.
Cold Comfort? Literally?
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Anybody who thinks it's impossible is kidding themselves.
Demovictory9
(32,482 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,475 posts)The only way for him to stay our of jail is stay in power.
GeorgeGist
(25,324 posts)it's a lot faster falling down than it is climbing back up. No way the economy is back by Nov.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)You see him gaining votes after 100,000+ Americans die under his "watch"?
[and a high % of Trumpers is surely in the random death mix, see ignoramus cocky dead pastor story of today!]
You see him surviving 10 BILLION in TV ad buys that feature his own words in swing states?
[Guessing it will be at least that high come deaths in the high #'s, fear tends to loosen wallets?]
You see him surviving the level of pissed off that is on the horizon?
[Back to the deaths under his watch #]
Good Luck!
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)to some degree, but not as bad as I did a couple of weeks ago. I really think the US death toll will turn this from an inconvenience in the minds of many Americans who might have voted for Trump, to a genuine tragedy.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,679 posts)were is bloomburg and his tv adds?
OnDoutside
(19,982 posts)Poiuyt
(18,131 posts)It's giving him an opportunity to look "presidential." People are used to him screaming at his rallies. Even though he's just babbling, it looks superficially that he's in control.
Butterflylady
(3,553 posts)I'm the president. And second there are so many people that really, really hate him and that's not gonna change no matter what shape the economy is in.
Last but not least, Joe is going beat him bad.
Yes I'm a optimist, always was and always will be!!!
HarlanPepper
(2,042 posts)Looks like a whole lot of people who know its still going to take a lot of work to beat him. I take that as a good sign.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I am concerned about many things. Trump being re-elected is not one of them.
-Laelth
democrattotheend
(11,607 posts)I thought this would show people why we actually want a functional government and a presdient who at least pretends to care, but so far it seems to be having the opposite effect. Yes, Trump's bounce is small and his approval rating on handling the pandemic is far lower than President Obama's ratings for handling Sandy or President Bush's ratings for handling 9/11, but Democrats also haven't been holding their fire the way they did after 9/11, so the bounce may not evaporate. Sadly, 40-45% of the country believes Democrats and the media are desperate to take Trump down and don't believe anything they say about him. I think we have a chance to win but it's by no means guaranteed. And in some sense we are unlucky because our likely nominee, despite clearly having the credentials and experience to handle this, isn't in the government right now and thus doesn't have an easy way to show the contrast. He's in the same tough position that Romney was in after Sandy hit, although at least there are many months left so hopefully Biden will be able to get back into the conversation at some point. Still, it would be better if our likely nominee were a sitting governor like Cuomo who had a natural platform to show contrast.
Bucky
(54,087 posts)He is sitting at a personal best in approval for his handling of the coronavirus crisis.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/donald-trump-gallup-approval-polling/index.html
Bonx
(2,078 posts)Raine
(30,541 posts)IMO