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Could you be re-infected by CV19 after suffering and surviving it? (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Mar 2020 OP
Almost certainly not FBaggins Mar 2020 #1
Here is a link to a recent article Kaleva Mar 2020 #2
From what I read, the jury is still out on that question: TubbersUK Mar 2020 #3
Thank you for your responses. no_hypocrisy Mar 2020 #4
Good Scientists, Never... ProfessorGAC Mar 2020 #5
We don't have studies YET to establish the full story on the immune response & antibody tests hlthe2b Mar 2020 #6
Caltech's David Ho says one macaque study bodes well... A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2020 #7
I've read that another type of this virus more potent, duforsure Mar 2020 #8
That might be the worse thing I've read recently. In_The_Wind Mar 2020 #9
The fact that they produced an ELISA test Drahthaardogs Mar 2020 #10
With my luck MFM008 Mar 2020 #11

FBaggins

(26,743 posts)
1. Almost certainly not
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:23 AM
Mar 2020

You can catch the flu multiple times because there are lots of flu viruses. You’re not reinfected by the same one.

Kaleva

(36,307 posts)
2. Here is a link to a recent article
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:25 AM
Mar 2020

Experts not sure but it may be possible

"According to Justin Lessler, an associate professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, reinfection is possible with other coronaviruses -- and may be with COVID-19."

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/03/06/Experts-unsure-if-cured-COVID-19-patients-are-reinfected-or-relapsed/8101583529793/

TubbersUK

(1,439 posts)
3. From what I read, the jury is still out on that question:
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:30 AM
Mar 2020
WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris told BBC Radio 4’s Today: ‘We don’t know enough about the science of this virus, it hasn’t been in our population for long enough for us to know what it does in immunological terms. ‘Every virus functions differently in your body and stimulates a different immunological profile. ‘We can talk theories, but at the moment we are really facing a situation where we have got to look at action.’



Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/14/world-health-organisation-questions-uk-coronavirus-approach-12397312/?ito=cbshare

ProfessorGAC

(65,057 posts)
5. Good Scientists, Never...
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:32 AM
Mar 2020

...say never about something like this. Even something as fundamental as gravity applies.
If I hold a quarter & let it go, we all agree it will fall every time. Quantum mechanics says there's a probability that it won't. Now, the odds are infinitesimally small so nobody lives love ng enough to test it. Could take billions of years.
But, we could still not say never.
Same here. Probably really applies to those with compromised immune systems.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
6. We don't have studies YET to establish the full story on the immune response & antibody tests
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:38 AM
Mar 2020

are only beginning to be incorporated (mainly overseas) as we have not set approved a serologic (blood) test to measure antibodies in those currently or formerly ANTIGEN positive (RT-PCR positive for virus nucleic acid). We know antibody is produced but the longevity and levels of protection are not clear.

That said, there is every reason to believe that immunity will be conferred and at least somewhat lasting. Other coronaviruses (e.g., SARS) and those of animals typically show a reasonable immunity following natural infection and those of dogs and cattle ( sufficient to produce vaccines.

A longer answer:

1) Always before we created a serologic (antibody test) and for viral infections could show 4x rise in antibodies (and early rise in IgM with later persistence of IgG). The focus on antigen testing now means we haven't had an antibody blood test. One such test was developed and starting to be in use overseas, but we really don’t have a handle on it.

2) Those case reports of pts. who recovered, tested neg on PCR, only to develop symptoms and test positive again later are most likely those who never cleared infection to begin with (lab error, immune system deficiencies, etc) but without antibody tests it was hard to say. Generally other Coronaviruses in humans and animals do produce extended immunity although their ability to mutate may have an impact on duration.

3) an overseas producer of a serologic antibody test is in heavily impacted Telluride, CO right now testing nearly the entire population and will repeat in two weeks. This will be the first and best community prevalence data. I only hope they will then pick some larger communities and hospitals to test alongside the antigen tests.

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
7. Caltech's David Ho says one macaque study bodes well...
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:38 AM
Mar 2020

This article is worth the read, rich with details, by a guy who worked on AIDS early:

https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/tip-iceberg-virologist-david-ho-bs-74-speaks-about-covid-19

Once you become infected with the virus, can you get it again?

There are a few anecdotes from China about re-infection but, if you look at those reports carefully, they're not well-documented. It could be that folks just continued to shed virus from the initial infection. Only one study was formally done and it is not a human study. It's a macaque study. They infected macaques with this virus, then waited until the monkeys recovered and tried to re-infect them. They could not. This just came out in the past few days. That bodes well for human immunity.

We have now looked at a lot of serum from convalescent individuals and those serum samples have antibodies against the so-called spike protein of the virus. That's the protein that sits on the surface of the virus particle. By tightly binding, the antibody could neutralize the virus. Once an infected person develops antibodies, there should be protective immunity for quite some time. That's why we need to buy time for immunity to develop in the population.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
8. I've read that another type of this virus more potent,
Tue Mar 24, 2020, 06:43 AM
Mar 2020

Is already out there , and causing problems , so I don't think counting on it not effecting you again might not be so good. Also wasn't there something on a completely different virus that trump refused to allow intl to tell Congress about not long ago? I saw that article somewhere on DU about that.

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