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LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 02:57 PM Mar 2020

'Worry about 4 weeks from now,' epidemiologist warns

Harvard’s Lipsitch urges public to ramp up social distancing, increase coronavirus tests

As the U.S. takes early “social distancing” steps, a Harvard epidemiologist is urging the nation to walk away faster, saying there’s danger in ambling down a path similar to Italy, where three coronavirus cases four weeks ago blossomed into 10,000, leading to more than 600 deaths, an overstressed health care system, and a land shuttered.

Epidemiology Professor Marc Lipsitch, head of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, called the pace of coronavirus testing in the U.S. “utterly inadequate” and “a debacle” that robs public health officials of information crucial to devising an effective response and protecting health care workers. Testing has been so slow that no one knows the extent of the U.S. epidemic, though scientists guess at somewhere between “tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands” of cases.

With COVID-19 cases thought to double every five to seven days, their spread can occur rapidly, and it is critical that steps taken so far — canceling business meetings, working from home when possible, moving college classes online, postponing conferences — become more widespread, before circumstances become critical.

“The situation we should be worrying about is the situation four weeks from now, not the situation now,” Lipsitch said. “That’s hard for people to get their heads around, but it’s really important.”

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https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/03/public-urged-to-ramp-up-social-distancing-increase-coronavirus-tests/

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'Worry about 4 weeks from now,' epidemiologist warns (Original Post) LiberalArkie Mar 2020 OP
K&R This! This is it. defacto7 Mar 2020 #1
Exactly. volstork Mar 2020 #2
Well.... the administration has repeatedly lied Tweedy Mar 2020 #5
Even Fouci dissembled today, if you listen carefully. He would say a million tests wiggs Mar 2020 #8
He's been doing that - Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #21
I wonder if he cut a deal...in order to be at the table behind the scenes and lend his expertise, he wiggs Mar 2020 #24
I doubt if it is as explicit as cutting a deal Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #26
He said that the test kits are getting out to the people. The rich, the basketball players etc LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #28
yes indeed. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2020 #3
K&R for visibility meow2u3 Mar 2020 #4
Where indeed are the 1million test kits donald????? NoMoreRepugs Mar 2020 #6
this is what bdamomma Mar 2020 #16
Flattening the curve is great but the volume is still there. progressoid Mar 2020 #7
That's what I don't fully understand AdamGG Mar 2020 #10
Flattening the curve puts less strain on essential services progressoid Mar 2020 #12
Flattening the curve will prevent deaths. It won't stop the virus, correct Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #14
Putin told Traitor Tot not to worry his fugly orange head; it's all going very well for him. OMGWTF Mar 2020 #9
If you combine this article with another in .."Editorials and Other Articles.." Stuart G Mar 2020 #11
Anyone want to venture a guess about when or if we revert to normal? ramen Mar 2020 #13
I've seen experts give a couple of scenarios Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #15
If so, that takes us through both conventions. calimary Mar 2020 #19
What a mess ramen Mar 2020 #20
Added a link. calimary Mar 2020 #22
Jared..is why ace3csusm Mar 2020 #17
This must be why Chump plugged the online medical consultations Totally Tunsie Mar 2020 #18
I have heard that UpInArms Mar 2020 #23
Less than six months ago there was just one case of Covid-19. World wide. Tom Rinaldo Mar 2020 #25
Started telecommuting today. 1 month. underpants Mar 2020 #27

volstork

(5,401 posts)
2. Exactly.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 04:36 PM
Mar 2020

Have any of those ass-clowns who are supposed to be running this country said where the test kits are and when universal testing will begin to be carried out?

No?

I thought so.

Tweedy

(628 posts)
5. Well.... the administration has repeatedly lied
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:06 PM
Mar 2020

Specifically our unindicted co-conspirator of a sadistic president told us days ago that anyone who needed a test could get a test.

That is true only in the universe where "alternative facts" live.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
8. Even Fouci dissembled today, if you listen carefully. He would say a million tests
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:29 PM
Mar 2020

would be come available, now, this week, or over the coming weeks.

So are they all available now? Or will all be available in 2, 3, 5 weeks? No real timeline.

wiggs

(7,814 posts)
24. I wonder if he cut a deal...in order to be at the table behind the scenes and lend his expertise, he
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:37 AM
Mar 2020

has to avoid undercutting the PR campaign the WH wages every morning. He's clever enough not to lie but to give WH elbow space. It's really two different jobs.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
26. I doubt if it is as explicit as cutting a deal
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:53 AM
Mar 2020

I think he's just doing a dance to avoid being fired, since he feels he is essential in his job (and he is). Unfortunately, he has such an impecable reputation that when he downplays things people who are used to him being scrupulously honest take him at face value and lose the sense of urgency his words would otherwise have.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
28. He said that the test kits are getting out to the people. The rich, the basketball players etc
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 12:41 PM
Mar 2020

His People

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
16. this is what
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:57 PM
Mar 2020

we should be screaming, but, oh no, not this idiot boy, what is he going to do throw us paper towels, is telling Americans to relax and sit in their houses, while rates himself a 10????

this fucking guy has got to go.

AdamGG

(1,292 posts)
10. That's what I don't fully understand
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:35 PM
Mar 2020

If we flatten the curve now, we won't eliminate it and there will still be some people with the virus in each community in 4 or 8 or 12 weeks. How will we be able to return to normal society at that time? There will still be virus around and unexposed people that it can ramp up in if normal life is resumed.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
12. Flattening the curve puts less strain on essential services
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:42 PM
Mar 2020

and even non-essential services. That dotted line on the graph going around is what our heath care system can handle. So you might still get it, but will have a better chance of recovery with a functioning hospital to go to.

If individuals and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, that means the number of cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a longer period of time. As the curve shows, the number of cases at any given time doesn’t cross the dotted line of the capacity of our nation’s health care system to help everyone who’s very sick.

“If you don’t have as many cases coming to the hospitals and clinics at once, it can actually lower the number of total deaths from the virus and from other causes,” he says. “And, importantly, it buys us time for university and government scientists, and industry, to create new therapies, medications and potentially a vaccine.”

Another key factor to consider: the doctors, nurses, pharmacists, technicians and many other staff who actually work in healthcare. The more cases of COVID-19 there are at any given time, the more likely some of them are to catch it, whether in the community or at work. Once they’re sick, they need to stay away from patients for weeks. Which means fewer people to take care of the patients who need care.

Canceling, postponing or moving online for our work, education and recreation may be inconvenient, annoying and disappointing.

But hospitals need to have enough room, supplies and staff to care for those who need hospital-level care -- whether it’s for coronavirus, a heart attack, car crash, broken bone or birth. That’s why it’s important to listen to public health authorities and leaders if and when they say it’s time to change how we live our lives temporarily.


Thekaspervote

(32,773 posts)
14. Flattening the curve will prevent deaths. It won't stop the virus, correct
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:46 PM
Mar 2020

But will allow hospitals and health care workers the ability to care for most everyone. Italy is using war time M.A.S.H style triage.

Some hospitals may be so overwhelmed they will not even have enough morphine for those that are not going to be treated, only receiving palliative care.

As a health care professional...I can’t image not being able to offer a dying patient some morphine to ease their discomfort!

OMGWTF

(3,957 posts)
9. Putin told Traitor Tot not to worry his fugly orange head; it's all going very well for him.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:32 PM
Mar 2020

America will never be destroyed from an outside force; it can only be destroyed from within.

Stuart G

(38,434 posts)
11. If you combine this article with another in .."Editorials and Other Articles.."
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:42 PM
Mar 2020

then this is it. Hit this link to read the 2nd article by another famous expert. This expert from Harvard, Epidemiology, Professor Marc Lipsitch, head of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

the other, Professor Neil Ferguson is a professor at London's Imperial College of Medicine. Two experts on disease epidemics predict an outcome few can even imagine.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016249639

ramen

(790 posts)
13. Anyone want to venture a guess about when or if we revert to normal?
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:43 PM
Mar 2020

I have not the faintest but it can't possibly be fewer than six months out, right?

Thekaspervote

(32,773 posts)
15. I've seen experts give a couple of scenarios
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 05:53 PM
Mar 2020

1. It’s a seasonal virus and wains during the warmer months only to come roaring back in the fall

2. It’s a spring summer event, but herd immunity will grow and those that have been infected and have fully recovered will be able to resume a more normal life. The virus will continue to infect, but the number of recovered will far out way those getting sick

calimary

(81,304 posts)
19. If so, that takes us through both conventions.
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 08:58 PM
Mar 2020

Dems are in Milwaukee, WI July 13-16.

GOP meets in Charlotte, NC August 24-27.

Six months from now is September.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
18. This must be why Chump plugged the online medical consultations
Tue Mar 17, 2020, 06:11 PM
Mar 2020

in his morning presser.

Oscar Health, the health insurance company co-founded by Jared Kushner’s younger brother, announced Friday it has launched a testing center locator for COVID-19. It shows where more than 100 centers are in the United States. The company is also offering a risk assessment survey and means to talk to a doctor online.

UpInArms

(51,284 posts)
23. I have heard that
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 07:57 AM
Mar 2020

Our chance to get ahead of this was before it became exponential...

That once you get behind an exponential curve, you cannot catch up.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
25. Less than six months ago there was just one case of Covid-19. World wide.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:42 AM
Mar 2020

There is no solace in any reports of only a few cases being confirmed in any area at this time.

underpants

(182,826 posts)
27. Started telecommuting today. 1 month.
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:58 AM
Mar 2020

I have to go in on Monday's - management is rotating days in order for someone to be there

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