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Harvards Lipsitch urges public to ramp up social distancing, increase coronavirus tests
As the U.S. takes early social distancing steps, a Harvard epidemiologist is urging the nation to walk away faster, saying theres danger in ambling down a path similar to Italy, where three coronavirus cases four weeks ago blossomed into 10,000, leading to more than 600 deaths, an overstressed health care system, and a land shuttered.
Epidemiology Professor Marc Lipsitch, head of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, called the pace of coronavirus testing in the U.S. utterly inadequate and a debacle that robs public health officials of information crucial to devising an effective response and protecting health care workers. Testing has been so slow that no one knows the extent of the U.S. epidemic, though scientists guess at somewhere between tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of cases.
With COVID-19 cases thought to double every five to seven days, their spread can occur rapidly, and it is critical that steps taken so far canceling business meetings, working from home when possible, moving college classes online, postponing conferences become more widespread, before circumstances become critical.
The situation we should be worrying about is the situation four weeks from now, not the situation now, Lipsitch said. Thats hard for people to get their heads around, but its really important.
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https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/03/public-urged-to-ramp-up-social-distancing-increase-coronavirus-tests/
defacto7
(13,485 posts)volstork
(5,401 posts)Have any of those ass-clowns who are supposed to be running this country said where the test kits are and when universal testing will begin to be carried out?
No?
I thought so.
Tweedy
(628 posts)Specifically our unindicted co-conspirator of a sadistic president told us days ago that anyone who needed a test could get a test.
That is true only in the universe where "alternative facts" live.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)would be come available, now, this week, or over the coming weeks.
So are they all available now? Or will all be available in 2, 3, 5 weeks? No real timeline.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)It has been very disappointing to watch.
wiggs
(7,814 posts)has to avoid undercutting the PR campaign the WH wages every morning. He's clever enough not to lie but to give WH elbow space. It's really two different jobs.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)I think he's just doing a dance to avoid being fired, since he feels he is essential in his job (and he is). Unfortunately, he has such an impecable reputation that when he downplays things people who are used to him being scrupulously honest take him at face value and lose the sense of urgency his words would otherwise have.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)His People
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)meow2u3
(24,764 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,435 posts)bdamomma
(63,868 posts)we should be screaming, but, oh no, not this idiot boy, what is he going to do throw us paper towels, is telling Americans to relax and sit in their houses, while rates himself a 10????
this fucking guy has got to go.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)AdamGG
(1,292 posts)If we flatten the curve now, we won't eliminate it and there will still be some people with the virus in each community in 4 or 8 or 12 weeks. How will we be able to return to normal society at that time? There will still be virus around and unexposed people that it can ramp up in if normal life is resumed.
progressoid
(49,991 posts)and even non-essential services. That dotted line on the graph going around is what our heath care system can handle. So you might still get it, but will have a better chance of recovery with a functioning hospital to go to.
If individuals and communities take steps to slow the viruss spread, that means the number of cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a longer period of time. As the curve shows, the number of cases at any given time doesnt cross the dotted line of the capacity of our nations health care system to help everyone whos very sick.
If you dont have as many cases coming to the hospitals and clinics at once, it can actually lower the number of total deaths from the virus and from other causes, he says. And, importantly, it buys us time for university and government scientists, and industry, to create new therapies, medications and potentially a vaccine.
Another key factor to consider: the doctors, nurses, pharmacists, technicians and many other staff who actually work in healthcare. The more cases of COVID-19 there are at any given time, the more likely some of them are to catch it, whether in the community or at work. Once theyre sick, they need to stay away from patients for weeks. Which means fewer people to take care of the patients who need care.
Canceling, postponing or moving online for our work, education and recreation may be inconvenient, annoying and disappointing.
But hospitals need to have enough room, supplies and staff to care for those who need hospital-level care -- whether its for coronavirus, a heart attack, car crash, broken bone or birth. Thats why its important to listen to public health authorities and leaders if and when they say its time to change how we live our lives temporarily.
Thekaspervote
(32,773 posts)But will allow hospitals and health care workers the ability to care for most everyone. Italy is using war time M.A.S.H style triage.
Some hospitals may be so overwhelmed they will not even have enough morphine for those that are not going to be treated, only receiving palliative care.
As a health care professional...I cant image not being able to offer a dying patient some morphine to ease their discomfort!
OMGWTF
(3,957 posts)America will never be destroyed from an outside force; it can only be destroyed from within.
Stuart G
(38,434 posts)then this is it. Hit this link to read the 2nd article by another famous expert. This expert from Harvard, Epidemiology, Professor Marc Lipsitch, head of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.
the other, Professor Neil Ferguson is a professor at London's Imperial College of Medicine. Two experts on disease epidemics predict an outcome few can even imagine.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016249639
ramen
(790 posts)I have not the faintest but it can't possibly be fewer than six months out, right?
Thekaspervote
(32,773 posts)1. Its a seasonal virus and wains during the warmer months only to come roaring back in the fall
2. Its a spring summer event, but herd immunity will grow and those that have been infected and have fully recovered will be able to resume a more normal life. The virus will continue to infect, but the number of recovered will far out way those getting sick
calimary
(81,304 posts)Dems are in Milwaukee, WI July 13-16.
GOP meets in Charlotte, NC August 24-27.
Six months from now is September.
calimary
(81,304 posts)Ive noticed somebody there is pretty doggone good at keeping it updated:
https://www.270towin.com/
ace3csusm
(969 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)in his morning presser.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Our chance to get ahead of this was before it became exponential...
That once you get behind an exponential curve, you cannot catch up.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)There is no solace in any reports of only a few cases being confirmed in any area at this time.
underpants
(182,826 posts)I have to go in on Monday's - management is rotating days in order for someone to be there