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MINNEAPOLIS The Albertsons stores slated for closure in Southern California are spread throughout the region, while the 22 Save-A-Lots slated to be closed are mostly in the Southeast and Pacific Northwest.
As previously reported, Supervalu is planning to close 60 stores across the country by year-end, including eight it has not yet identified. The list includes four Acme stores (Morrisville, Pa.; Glassboro, N.J.; Sharon Hill, Pa.; and Stevensville, Md.) and one Jewel-Osco (Michigan City, Ind.).
Following is the list of specific Albertsons closings provided to SN by Supervalu:
Southern California:
Mesmer & Jefferson, Culver City (already closed)
7th & Redondo, Long Beach
Harbor & Garden Grove Boulevard, Garden Grove
Harbor Bouevard & Imperial Highway, Fullerton
Dale & La Palma, Buena Park
Brookhurst & Katella, Anaheim
Baldwin Hills, Los Angeles
Central & Chevy Chase, Glendale
Devonshire & Reseda, Northridge
Van Nuys & Sherman, Van Nuys
Bear Valley & Amethyst Roads, Victorville
Pigeon Pass & Ironwood, Moreno Valley
Colima & Fairway Drive, Rowland Heights
Hamner Avenue & Hidden Valley Parkway, Norco
Grove Ave & Walnut Street, Ontario
Limonite & Clay, Riverside
Amar & Nogales, Walnut
Azusa & Cypress, Covina
Oregon:
La Grande
Corvallis
Washington:
North Marysville
Juanita, Kirkland
Benson & 208th, Kent
Lacey
North Auburn
Bonney Lake, Sumner
Read More: http://supermarketnews.com/retail-amp-financial/albertsons-store-closings-identified#ixzz263LwlA87
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I could care less, provided they are mostly transformed into neighborhood
friendly fool cooperatives, or something at least resembling that, where they
market LOCAL produce and products as much as is possible.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)into a more locally-based food store. I've actually done this
once, in Eugene Oregon about 12 years ago.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)in the mean time what you describe is nothing more than kicking hardworking people out of work.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)These stores are ALREADY closing, for whatever reasons.
Please don't try putting words in my mouth, because they just
don't fit very well.
All I said was that some of these "tragedies" can be turned
around, if and when people can shake off their "oh NO"s and
roll up their sleeves to put workers back to work on a more
locally based business model.
BTW - If I DID live in one of these communities that is losing
their Albersons store, I would indeed "do it again".. even
though I am seriously retired from such work.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)and I go back to your original post...
"They could ALL be closed as far as I'm concerned
I could care less, provided they are mostly transformed into neighborhood
friendly fool cooperatives, or something at least resembling that, where they
market LOCAL produce and products as much as is possible."
So where did I put words in your mouth?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Nothing could be further from the truth of what I feel about
the value of good jobs and respect for working people.
I've just never liked Albersons Inc.
It does suck that union jobs are being lost this way, I
totally agree.
I plead guilty to a bit of hyperbol in my OP. My bad..
Javaman
(62,534 posts)If you can't own up to it, that's not my problem. And if you are trying to turn this around and make it my problem, you have failed miserably.
I go back to your original post. It speaks for itself.
"They could ALL be closed as far as I'm concerned
I could care less, provided they are mostly transformed into neighborhood
friendly fool cooperatives, or something at least resembling that, where they
market LOCAL produce and products as much as is possible."
Words have impact. Think before you write.
good day.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)except maybe being so gullible as to think I could have an intelligent
conversation with you.
I don't think it could be any more obvious that I have "owned" what
I said already, where I pleaded "guilty" of being a bit hyperbolic in
my OP. I just don't like Albersons Inc. never have, never will, so
my OP was admittedly a bit over the top, and could have been
clearer as to what I was suggesting as a possible solution.
The only real "problems" in any real sense have nothing to do
with me or with you; but have everything to do with the twin tragedies
that:
a) people in the surrounding neighborhoods where closures occur
now have no where to buy groceries affordably, and ....
b) that the workers at the store will lose their jobs.
My OP made a constructive suggestion to address both of these very
real problems. I guess "no good deed goes unpunished", right?
BTW - the acrimonious patronizing tone you use is quite unnecessarily
offensive and disrespectful. If that's how you treat people you barely
know online, I pity those nearest to you.
Congratulations, you've just made my "ignore" list. A total of 2, including
you.
Javaman
(62,534 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 12, 2012, 02:27 PM - Edit history (1)
so since I'm on your ignore list. I could use this moment to write anything I want and you will never see it!
Oh the power!
And here is my statement in one word.
Meh.
you have to go on and on and explain your comment away instead of owning it.
Cheers to you, cheers to you!
Oh one more thing.
Meh.
On edit: I see you own up to your comment further down thread, and still you got mad at me for pointing out exactly what another poster pointed out. funny how that is, huh?
Weeeee!
Codeine
(25,586 posts)The reality of this is good union jobs going away, and silly fever-dreams about organic locavore co-ops are really illustrative of just how out of touch some Democrats can be when it comes to the plight of blue-collar, service-sector workers.
GObamaGO
(665 posts)Some of these neighborhoods (particularly in southern California) will not have anything replacing these closing stores, putting more of an economic strain on already struggling families.
Your post is insensitive.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)- People will lose their jobs
- Another market may not take it's place. Which means no replacement jobs and no close by shopping for people.
- Empty buildings can become eyesores.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)does appear to be rather mean spirited. Those are real people who work there.
I suspect you are unsatisfied with their service or product and while I understand that frustration, I would think directing that frustration at the corporate management would serve you better. The people in the stores are often doing the best they can with the directions they are given.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)My intent was to see this apparent "tragedy" as an opportunity.
Opportunity for the workers to organize, WITH the support of their
Union, to buy-out the freaking store for pennies on the dollar, and
create a worker food co-op, that is more locally based and provides
more healthy food alternatives.
Now how is that being mean-spirited?
GObamaGO
(665 posts)was the part that was mean-spirited.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)It does suck that union jobs are being lost this way, I
totally agree.
I plead guilty to a bit of hyperbol here. My bad..
Javaman
(62,534 posts)you bust on me for pointing out your callous statement, but instead you get all high and mighty to me, and dig deeper.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I read and understood the full text of your post. Yes, they perhaps could all get together buy the building and operate it as a co-op, assuming a whole lot of things fall into place in just the right fashion. Most likely, that as I am sure you know will not happen and the stores will go empty, the people laid off and nobody wins. I think your idea is hopeful, your choice of wording perhaps less than empathic.
SuperValu as a company is struggling with the effects of some poor management decisions over the last several years and trying to either sell out or recover. These particular stores may have had many problems, but they were most likely at least in part caused by those poor management decisions. It is unfortunate that the communities and the employees are the ones to suffer.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and especially thanks for not assuming I have horns and a tail for
simply wanting to think outside the box, of "Oh no! Our corporate
masters are taking our jobs. We are doomed!!" and rather to organize,
organize and organize some more, so the local community affected
may take back control of their food security and availability.
I'm honesty stunned at how many DU peeps seemed utterly oblivious
to the heart of what I was saying. Saddened actually
Also, please know that I owned up-string that my little rant about "I
could care less if ALL Albertsons stores shut down tomorrow" or some
such in my OP. That it was mostly hyperbole; mostly because I've just
have never liked Albersons, for a number of reasons that I'm not going
to go into here, as I'm not into inviting another round of snarky attacks
on me and my character for not being in lockstep with the "Oh-No!"
hand-wringers.
Texasgal
(17,048 posts)The unemployed thank you for your kindness.
Is your latte' getting cold?
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Some were bought by Save Mart and reopened under their pre-Albertson's name, Lucky. But most either turned into cheap discount clothing stores or sit empty.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)When Safeway pulled out of low-income area of town because they
wanted all stores to have bigger footprint so their ads could all be
used for all stores.
It was the ONLY full-service market within liked 6-7 mile radius.
I helped to broker a deal with the City of Eugene, to provide interest
free loan money to Red Apple (a smaller footprint, more locally
owned and oriented market chain). That Red Apple is still there
serving that neighborhood, loans all paid off to city, etc.
Sorry if my post apparently didn't have enough detail for folks to
clearly understand what I was attempting to communicate.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)On the ground floor of a fancy condo building, natch. About a third the size of most of their stores.
Thing is, a local chain, Zanotto's, was already up the street. Emphasis on "was".
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and Safeway has apparently incorporated a smaller scale
store into their operations. good for them.
Sorry to hear about Zanotto's
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Codeine
(25,586 posts)There you go. These are largely stores smackdab in the middle of some of the most competitive grocery markets in the country. Transforming an Albertson's into a granola-oriented local food co-op is wildly unlikely to succeed.
Would the food co-op be able to hire all the workers back at the same rate of pay and benefits? Would any in the neighborhood be able to even afford the food there?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)They just opened one in the old Safeway building here.
Raine
(30,540 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)In case you haven't noticed, it's the dreamers (who also DO)
who make most of the positive changes in this world. Please
see John Lennon and get back to me on that one.
Please also see http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021310445#post21
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)your pronouncement of hopelessness I'm sure it a great
comfort to the workers loosing their jobs.
Shame on you.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)It is my neighborhood store, but I'm glad to see it go. It is in a prime location, and I'm sure another chain will renovate and move in.
I prefer the Ralphs on 4th and Orizaba.
Johnyawl
(3,205 posts)...won't effect me, I don't shop at Albertsons, and the two stores I do shop at are both union stores. It's sad people are losing their jobs, my town doesn't need the job loses.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Sad about the lost jobs, but without a major change in marketing and upgrades, kind of inevitable. Hopefully the impact on those employees will be minimal.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I only shop there when I have to get a few items and don't want to burn gas. But their prices are a lot higher than places like Stater Brothers. Not surprising that the Albertson's store in my neighborhood is always nearly empty while Stater's is packed. Stater's also won some loyalty from me because, as I recall, they cut a deal with the union a few years ago during the grocery workers' strike rather than bring in scabs like the others.
GObamaGO
(665 posts)By us, the Ralphs is more expensive. And we do not have a Stater Bros. near enough to make a regular trip.
sad sally
(2,627 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)they closed them all awhile ago.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)See my post above. I doubt that any of yours became Lucky, either.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Well, except that they are operated under the Save Mart brand rather than as Lucky (sort of like how we have Raley's and the baeriea has Nob Hill but they're the same store.)
My observation is that the quality of the produce and the cleanliness of the stores improved significantly under the new management.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Old store that hadn't updated its interior in decades but she loved it.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)Trader Joe's. I find my food bill is less than Albertson's in spite of a lack of all the gimmicks, games, discount card and coupons. Maybe if they address this they can become competitive again.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)And for the most part never went back. I discovered that there were better sources for the products I use.