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I will say that unless we can develop immediate rapid in-house testing similar to rapid strep or influenza testing, there is no hope to contain the spread of COVID-19. Current guidelines for testing are unacceptable. With active community spread of this virus and most people having mild symptoms, it is unconscionable to reserve testing for those being very ill without alternative explanation, those being able to prove close contact with an infected person or those with travel to a level 3 affected country. So many people will fly under the radar that this policy has no hope of containing spread.
I cannot fathom the stinginess of policy that forces such a huge hurdle to testing, and even then, the test has to go to the state labs and take days to result. For the tested patient, such a delay will likely cause spread to multiple people wherever that person goes until they are informed they should self-quarantine. For the mildly ill patient who does not meet criteria, if infected, they will infect dozens of people in the community for weeks. This policy is insane and is virtually guaranteeing spread of the virus.
That this is politically driven is an American tragedy and we are witnessing in real time what will be a devastating pandemic. Our healthcare system will be overwhelmed in due course by this outbreak. Local hospitals in affected communities will find themselves short of resources, equipment and personnel. Healthcare workers will not only not be able to handle the influx of ill patients, especially in communities heavy with nursing homes and the elderly - running short of ventilators and ICU beds, etc., but also will face getting infected on a daily basis, literally risking their lives while having their hands tied diagnostically.
I am 58 years old and anticipate weeks to months of being exposed to a symptomatic and mildly symptomatic patients for whom I will unlikely be wearing PPE (personal protective equipment), as well as being exposed to moderately and critically ill patients while facing the reality that many docs an nurses are getting infected despite appropriate use of precautions. i feel certain I will get this virus, in large part due to our inability to appropriately test anyone with respiratory symptoms as we do with influenza. We appear to be dealing with something that is spread by droplet, contact and maybe even airborne spread. Ive never seen anything like this. Mortality of influenza is 0.1%, mortality of COVID-19 is 20 to 35 times that.
I hope I live.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)We work with Older adults daily. Our fears are real. Thank you for sharing this.
elias7
(4,027 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)like testing kits, honesty seems to be in short supply these days.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Mae'r sefyllfa hon yn ddrychrynllyd iawn, 'tydy?!
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)If this disease takes hold in nursing and rehabilitation centers it will be devastating. It could contaminate emergency rooms requiring extensive sanitation measures to remain operational. The response by this administration is fully representative of what to expect when political extremists prevail whose only concern is power. I am fully convinced that Trump and his cadre of ghouls do not have a shred of concern for the brainless nincompoops that put them in control.
htuttle
(23,738 posts)Because I commute to work on the bus.
Can't wait for the bike rental service to open back up for Spring.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)perfect physical condition, who is?. I also sanitize my hands every time I enter the car after shopping, gassing up, handle money, ect... I use a small bottle of 70% rubbing alcohol. The last time I was sick was a decade ago & that was because I was traveling without taking precautions. I'm going to double down, sanitize items brought into the house, after handle mail, ect... The airborne is a little tougher but it seems that isn't one of covid's big strengths.
oldsoftie
(12,619 posts)blm
(113,101 posts)OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)We see white hazmat suited teams spraying buildings and sidewalks and tank trucks spraying streets and cars right....
That huge spraying hints something really bad to me.
And America? Women with no protective gear using one wipe to clean multiple airplane trays.
Excuse me. I dont generally curse but
WTH ! Why arent hazmat clad people spraying the streets of Seattle? New York?
Where are the spray trucks,
Why are $15/hr infected nursing home employees not wearing Protection?
And what the hell does holding sheets up do to help anyone?
Sorry to unload, but surely (May I call you surely?) Im not the only one noticing Americas total lack of coordinated PPE gear etc
Your response will be greatly appreciated
I am in awe of Americas medical professionals & nursing home care givers& first responders.
Please be safe. ✨✨🙏✨✨
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)tragedy in the making. Thank You.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Mother Earth makes fools of us all.
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)mitch96
(13,926 posts)Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)Power in whatever form is neutral.
Take electricity for example, if you plug an appliance or a tool into a receptacle you can use it to do something useful. On the other hand if you plug a fork into the same receptacle you get your butt knocked across the room.
Same receptacle, same electrical supply, totally different outcome and the electricity could care less how it's used.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Power is energy per unit time, or (equivalently) energy is power integrated over time.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)The 60W bulb, the 1000W microwave, etc.
If the work done by the energy is lighting a light bulb, then it's 'neutral', and if it's frying someone to a crisp, it's 'bad'.
So in the analogy at hand, I think it's more accurate to say that the 'energy' is neutral.
The 'power' is actually specific to the work done.
That's what I was getting at, for better or worse
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)I can't though, because you're absolutely correct. Without rapid testing - without speed in diagnosis, quarantining and isolating - we will never be able to manage this disease let alone contain it.
Try to get adequate sleep in the coming weeks and months, you will need to take care of yourself as much as possible. Thank you for being on the front lines.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)58Sunliner
(4,412 posts)OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)Ive had a fan/funtastic life. At 72 I wont be tying up an ICU
Maybe The Princess Cruise line can make a buck on Palliative Transition Cruises 🚢 staffed by the mildly infected. Uninhabited islands can become giant designer funeral pyres for the unlucky.
Certainly more fun and less expensive than a for-profit makeshift ICU in a hospital parking lot & LOTS less dangerous to the uninflected
Time to get morbidly creative.
Designer Death Cruises.
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
58Sunliner
(4,412 posts)Captain Zero
(6,831 posts)nt
BComplex
(8,069 posts)Medicare recipients, and people in poor health of all ages, are a blight on the insurance industry and medicare system.
The republican DREAM is to get rid of old and sick people. Who keeps voting for these asshats?
hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)Sounds pathetic, right? Its all I have right now.
I appreciate the people on the front line of this so much. Thank you.
I hope you will be okay, too. I hope we all will. As little faith as I have in Trump and his cronies, I do have faith in human ingenuity, and I hope and pray someone, somewhere makes a discovery that will help us all.
elias7
(4,027 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)awesome power to heal, are being endangered and rendered powerless for nothing. My heart goes out to you, and yours.
Lonestarblue
(10,095 posts)Ive read that coronaviruses have been around for many years. Im curious why no country, including China and the US, ever bothered to develop a vaccine or even drugs for treatment.
alittlelark
(18,890 posts)Our current Capitalistic system does not allow for that $$$$ to be spent. The only thing that matters is the 'NEXT QUARTERS PROFITS'.
Native Americans believed in 7 generations. They saw the long view - the REAL view.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/02/10/fluctuating-funding-and-flagging-interest-hurt-coronavirus-research/
https://globalbiodefense.com/headlines/boom-and-bust-funding-for-coronavirus-research-leaves-knowledge-gaps/
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/scientists-were-close-coronavirus-vaccine-years-ago-then-money-dried-n1150091
PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!! PROFIT!!!!!
it is the ONLY thing that matters in our US sytem at this juncture in our history.
AllyCat
(16,233 posts)My husband and I prepared our kids today about how to maintain the house WHEN I get sick from working with sick patients with no training or PPE to protect me.
KSNY
(315 posts)I hope that you and your colleagues will be safe.
Alhena
(3,030 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,847 posts)Thank you for sharing this key insight. I was in EMS when we didn't even use gloves, and ended up with needle sticks all the time.
People would crap on us, vomit on us, spit on us, cough on us, pee on us, you get the idea. We had to revolt to get the powers to be to get the Heptivax B vaccine given to us for free....It was only like 75 bucks times two vaccinations..........
Things have changed, but the Powers To Be still rule..............just like you pointed out in your fine article......follow the money......
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)And I've heard nearly the same from them as all that you've written.
They've been telling me this is not containable for quite some time and they both feel they will at some point, have it themselves.
As a mother, I'm beside myself with worry. They're both on the front lines and asthmatics.
They tell me not to worry but I can see the look of concern in their eyes which worries me more.
Please take care of yourself and do your best to stay safe.
I pray that all of you survive.
I don't know what else to say....
elias7
(4,027 posts)My fellow ED brothers and sisters - docs, nurses, techs, and clerks alike
mahina
(17,706 posts)For the people.
We should march for tests the population to protect our medical professionals, as well as the rest of us.
This policy is blindingly stupid and destructive.
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)Not knowing what to say out of fear, I guess.
I'm usually an optimistic person but I have this sense of doom inside at the moment.
I'm very scared and want to say "Thank You", you'll be in my thoughts and heart, as well as everyone in the healthcare field.
Maru Kitteh
(28,343 posts)Like you, I hope I live.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)inland from the coasts. Looks like theres a case in Spokane now. So far there dont seem to be cases in MT,ID, WY or the Dakotas...but it is coming. My father in law is in the hospital...respiratory issues...he is 87. I see patients near his room with droplet warnings on the doors of their hospital rooms. Scares the liver out of me when I go to visit him. Stay safe Maru. Scary times.
Maru Kitteh
(28,343 posts)Our valley doesn't even have any tests to administer to anyone. It seems more likely than not to me that it is already here. Our population skews elderly and a really high percentage of smokers. Add in all the asbestosis and other copd . . . . this is going to be rough.
Take every precaution you are able to MM, especially when visiting a hospital. Wear an N95 if you can. If you think gloves might help you remember not to touch your face, do that. Who cares what anyone else thinks. And of course, wash --> sanitize --> repeat.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)I dont touch ANYTHING when Im visiting him in the hospital. I take a couple tissues in so I dont have to touch the elevator buttons. Wash with soap and water before I leave even though I didnt touch anything. I sear my hair up in a clip so Im not tempted to touch my face. My neighbor is a nurse in the ICU at that same hospital and she tells me that the administration will only issue the nurses one mask per shift. I couldnt believe that! Nurses are in the freaking front lines. One mask!
bucolic_frolic
(43,336 posts)and hoping for the best for you. Stay vigilant and methodical.
I think many public events should be cancelled. I plan to isolate to try to avoid the virus.
Can Elias7 you give any idea about whether the testing shortfall is due to cost, capacity for tests?
Will this play out in 3 waves like 1918, and like many flu seasons?
Do you think they will have a vaccine ever, or ready in a few months or for the fall?
Do survivors who don't become critical, do they have more robust immune systems? Or something else going on.
elias7
(4,027 posts)No vaccine soon, maybe a year or more from what Ive heard.
I hope the shortfall on testing is not politically/policy driven, but I cant really say. I just dont understand the seeming casual approach amongst state dpt of health folks who should know better
I havent been able to find great epidemiology on this, why some get sick and some dont outside of the usual - elderly, co-morbidities, immune deficiencies, etc. I do know kids dont seem to get hit very hard. Minimal severity if under 10, probably safe under 20.
The recovery seems quite extended but I dont really know what that means. ? Very sick and slowly getting better, slow for cough to clear, or slow to test negative though minimally symptomatic
bucolic_frolic
(43,336 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)that there's a woefully inadequate supply of test kits, and some ham-handed bureaucrats have come up with arbitrary criteria to ration them out at this point.
Of course, we lost a lot of time with Trump not taking this seriously, and contamination problems at the CDC sure didn't help, either.
mchill
(1,018 posts)My friend, a scientist, has been doing some rough calculations on the Singapore data in the public domain and it sure appears like they are using the not yet recovered in their denominator to come up these low (but still much higher than influenza) death rates. If they only use patient stats in the same cohort (same timeline) and exclude the not recovered, the fatality rates are well into the 30 %s. Of course this would exclude the asymptomatic that wee never tested but carry the virus around. If that data was available it would be added into the denominator and lower this 30% something figure. I hope he is wrong.
Boomer
(4,169 posts)We don't have the kits.
The decision was made to award a test-making contract to a U.S.-based firm rather than buy kits from the WHO right away. Then the test-maker botched the first batch. We're still playing catch-up. And I've read one report that Trump holds stocks in that company (but haven't seen any verification yet from other journalists).
I'm waiting - with increasing impatience -- for mainstream media to start talking about the source of this shortage, and showing how and why we're so woefully unprepared.
at140
(6,110 posts)Unless they are seriously sick most won't bother going to doctor.
They will assume it is just a cold or mild flu.
Therefore no way to know how many have the virus.
And that makes death rates look higher than they are.
I am one of those who hates going to a doctor.
I Have not seen a doctor since 1990 but had flu like symptoms every year.
Anti-biotics don't work on viruses. Just do the normal things, bed rest, warm fluids, cough syrup etc.
mchill
(1,018 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)me though.
trof
(54,256 posts)I'm 78 with COPD and I do know how to take them off.
THEN I use Purell or wash my hands.
DUers can be very unkind at times.
deurbano
(2,896 posts)crushing her esophagus, so she is also more at risk for respiratory issues, and I'd like to just put her in a protective bubble for the time being!
mchill
(1,018 posts)Conserving my few masks but now that I can UV light sterilize, I will wear.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)So I'm wiping the railing as I walk. I am also doing that with doorknobs. I figure it can't hurt, protects me and maybe the next person to walk down.
I saw some pundit saying, "Don't hold the rail as you go down," but that's just dangerous with twinkle-toes me.
bucolic_frolic
(43,336 posts)I was at 3 or 4 supermarkets on Saturday, my usual mid morning. There were a larger number of workers picking orders for pickup or delivery. I came across a couple of aisles that were so congested with order trolleys I had to retrace to get through.
And in Walmart some things were out of stock. Whole wheat flour. Empty shelves. So I'm thinking some portion of households are stocking up and planning on hibernating for awhile.
58Sunliner
(4,412 posts)Nothing you do will be 100% but it will lower your risk and that is the goal. Managing risk. I wore a mask today-N95 and I was the only one I saw taking any precautions at all at 3 large stores. I have a small container of pocket wipes that I use for checkout so I reduce that risk of touching screens and card readers. If I don't need my mask on anymore, I use hand sanitizer to take it off, spray it with alcohol and put it into a plastic bag while I am in my car. Just handle it carefully and you should be ok if you use hand sanitizer afterwards. You might also get wrap around clear protective eye wear, or sunglasses. Every day that you drive, spray/wipe your car door handles, steering wheel, etc.. Get used to establishing a protocol for how things are handled, including getting rid of used wipes etc.. It will take a little practice. If you have a mail box, spray/wipe it. Spray your walkway with bleach or other disinfectant. And your door knobs, gates, etc... If you have a dryer shelf use that for sterilizing your mail. One cycle, high heat. Shoes as well. Hair can also trap the virus so wear a hat you can spray or cycle on high in the dryer, along with your clothes. It's a little hellish, but it can become routine. They did a study on communicable diseases in Hong Kong after people started wearing masks and found that transmission dropped significantly.
moonscape
(4,674 posts)a few years ago got a Vogmask N-99 but it's a size too small. Air comes in at the bridge of my nose but I guess it's still better than nothing.
Your routine is impressive. I'm a person who has never been a handwasher except when they're dirty Am so far away from being a germaphobe it's not funny and hard to think that way but am trying to change habits and develop new ones.
Thanks for writing that out - is helpful
58Sunliner
(4,412 posts)I'm not a germaphobe, but at risk.
moonscape
(4,674 posts)58Sunliner
(4,412 posts)Look on youtube for people making masks-mine will be similar, but have a slit to change out the filter part and the carbon. Cut a hole and take the vent from the N95 and place it through all 4 layers. I think I can get to it Tuesday. I'll put up a how-to soon I hope.
mitch96
(13,926 posts)Hekate
(90,841 posts)Best of luck
Skittles
(153,204 posts)I feel the same way when I see toddlers on leashes: no doubt there's a damn good reason for that.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Wearing gloves is perfectly reasonable in this context. I wash my hands a lot as it is, but now they are getting cracked, even with lotion. That makes you more vulnerable. Gloves are probably going to be the next big thing (aside from TP) when more and more people start getting sick.
Fla Dem
(23,767 posts)I have no problem with anyone taking whatever steps they personally feel are the right thing for their safety. I have thought of keeping a box of plastic gloves in my car, so when I go grocery shopping I have some protection. Right now I'm in an area with no reported cases, but that can change overnight. So need to be prepared.
BSdetect
(8,999 posts)PCIntern
(25,595 posts)As a dentist, I KNOW Im fucked. Aerosolized virus in extremis
mchill
(1,018 posts)Should I cancel? I figured Dentists had thIs virus thing down. Not?
dawg day
(7,947 posts)It's a pretty careful practice. And they asked before I came in if I'd been exposed to any illness or if i had any symptoms.
There's really not much more that can be done, as you say.
I'm taking zinc, as that always helps me ward off colds. But I don't know how useful that is with actual killer viruses.
mchill
(1,018 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 8, 2020, 09:09 PM - Edit history (1)
I hear the med professions scrounging for PPE equipment.
PCIntern
(25,595 posts)mchill
(1,018 posts)And only going to grocery store once, Vetetinary as needed for another contagious thing My cats have! I wear nitrile 9 mil gloves everywhere and carry a tub of chlorine wipes. Now that I have a UV sterilizer I will start wearing my n9( mask I had leftover from SARS scare. I am now high risk and view going anywhere a bad idea but weighing that against a raging toothache happening during the depths of a pandemic
58Sunliner
(4,412 posts)As I understand it, no conclusive studies with determining if excess zinc would lower viral risks/load, but being deficient would be a factor. What kind of zinc to take-
" Briefly, the absorbabilities of zinc sulfate and zinc acetate appear to be comparable and quite favorable. In contrast, zinc oxide and zinc carbonate are relatively insoluble in aqueous solutions and result in considerably lower absorption by postconsumption plasma zinc measurements." As to absorption-"the presence of even modest amounts of animal protein can substantially enhance the efficiency of absorption, in addition to increasing the absolute amount of zinc (Sandstrom et al. 1980). Soluble, low-molecular-weight organic substances, such as the sulfur-containing amino acids and hydroxy acids, bind zinc and facilitate its absorption (Lonnerdal 1989).
Inositol hexaphosphates and pentaphosphates (phytic acid) bind zinc and form poorly soluble complexes that result in reduced absorption of zinc. Phytate is found in varying amounts in plant products, with grains and legumes having especially high levels. Fractional absorption of zinc is negatively associated with the phytate content (Sandstrom and Lonnerdal 1989). On a global basis, plant-based diets with high phytate-to-zinc molar ratios are considered to be the major factor contributing to zinc deficiency (Gibson, 1994).
Interactions between zinc and other minerals remain a concern, particularly with the liberal use of supplements in the United States. Iron and calcium in particular are of practical interest. A number of studies have demonstrated a negative impact of therapeutic supplemental iron on plasma zinc levels"
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/130/5/1374S/4686378
deurbano
(2,896 posts)and we got a text a couple of hours ago saying it will be closed at least through Monday. The school is closed because a student's parent is being treated for the virus. At first, I thought that--of course!-- the student would be tested to see if stopping all activities is warranted, but since the student is asymptomatic, does he/she even qualify for testing?! Right now I think they are just cleaning the school and reassessing, but how can they make an assessment with no new information (if the student is not being tested)? So much confusion, and so few answers with this criminal lack of leadership and competence from the executive branch.
Meanwhile, the top seeded girls soccer team had to forfeit a semi-final game in a state tournament... and rehearsals stopped for the spring musical (that my daughter is in)... and seniors (like my daughter) are wondering about prom and graduation...and I'm not sure what working (outside the home) parents of students with disabilities (those who may not be able to be alone at home) will do if this goes on.
Thank you for the work you are doing, and I'm so sorry you are being put at such risk with so little support.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)They didn't even let HIM have a test.
Thanks for being on the front lines, Dr. Elias, you and the entire hospital staff. The contrast between your service and the selfish stupidity in the administration cannot be more striking.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)of transmission. Same # will get sick but over a longer period to avoid the overwhelming. But I am cynical. We live in interesting times. Best wishes to you.
Tess49
(1,580 posts)room nurse. I think you covered all the bases. Try to stay safe!
mitch96
(13,926 posts)can you assume he/she HAS COVID-19 and treat them accordingly? Then when you get the Covid-19 test kit you could see if you are right... Just thinking out loud...
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ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)Last edited Sun Mar 8, 2020, 09:20 PM - Edit history (1)
Because we arent going to assume everyone with respiratory symptoms have Covid. We just got our second rule-out on our unit.
We wont use reverse pressure rooms unless there is aerosolized medication or something like a cpap.
In Seattle, there are over 11,000 homeless with little access to healthcare except for EDs and some community clinics. If it hits the homeless, it will be terrible.
Warpy
(111,360 posts)People will show up for everything, pushing the panic button. They simply will not ever seem to grasp there is nothing an ER can do for a viral infection that they can't do at home: rest, fluids, fever reducers, and time.
Since the tests are in short supply thanks to a non functioning government, even getting counted will be problematic. The best idea is to stay home and leave the ER for people with life threatening complications, but it seems panicky people don't think about that, either. They don't feel well, it's them first.
Our main hope is that it slows down in warm weather and that we oust the maniac surrounded by magical thinkers in November.
jmbar2
(4,909 posts)Have been isolated for 9 days now. I've seen a graph where it shows a dramatic impact if we just slow it down by taking all precautionary measures to reduce exposure across the population. It makes a huge difference.
My sister is a nurse at a hospital, so I am worried for her. I'm going to try to stay isolated to not have to become a health services patient.
Keep us posted, Dr., about your health and experiences on the front line. Posts like yours carry a lot more weight with us than the official blah blah....
And thank you for putting your own health at risk to serve others.
Evolve Dammit
(16,778 posts)yewberry
(6,530 posts)I'm so grateful that I don't have to face what you're facing. You will probably get sick but continue to do the things that keep you as healthy as possible.
I'm in Seattle. I live here and I work here, and my office has been exposed to the virus. I don't have the luxury of not going to work and my IT department is scrambling to find a way for essential personnel to work from home, but we're not there yet. We're taking all the precautions we can.
I'm a little blown away by the sort of psychological schism that exists in Seattle right now. A big chunk of the city is hunkered down, but I just got back from the grocery store. Here, in NE Seattle, next door to the WA hot zone, there are Girl Scouts outside of the grocery store, talking to all comers, handling cash and selling cookies. Meanwhile, that grocery store has no bleach or sanitizing products of any kind and is running out of hand soap.
Twitter thread below discussing how public policy decisions regarding pandemic will affect capacity of health care providers:
Link to tweet
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)I've thought about all the people who don't have the luxury of working from home. I'm also thinking about all our healthcare workers like the OP. It breaks my heart. No human being should have to work around the clock and drop from exhaustion, especially when we could have been working towards semi-containing this many weeks ago (thanks, TrumpGOP). I wish I could do something to help them. Then I'm thinking about the dentists - Jesus. And then all the homeless who hang around near where my sister lives. This is one of the last reasons why you take care of the homeless (the first is because nobody should be homeless), but it is one of the strongest when situations like this arise. There are so many people in our society just 1 paycheck away from being on the streets, including myself. We are simply not prepared for a situation like they have in China or Italy, or countless other countries.
SunSeeker
(51,731 posts)They will blame the deaths on regular flu. Trump emphasized at that CDC presser that flu causes 75,000 deaths per year "or more." Which is of course a lie. Between 12,000 61,000 deaths annually have been caused by the flu since 2010. But suddenly flu deaths are up in the new year: CDC says flu deaths are up more than 65% so far in 2020, with the CDC reporting that 4,800 people had died and 87,000 people had been hospitalized. How many are those Covid-19 and not the flu? I bet A LOT.
This may sound nuts, but Trump and his bootlickers are nuts and have no human decency.
Hekate
(90,841 posts)I have several unused boxes of N95 masks left over from the last big regional fire here. One thing I was never told was how long they could be used (though with black smoke I guess you could kind of tell) and whether they could be cleaned and re-used, and if so, how to clean them.
If anyone has information on this, I would appreciate it.
Again, thank you Dr. Elias and all the rest in harm's way.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,495 posts)I hope more medical professionals like yourself can be heard on public media to shock our public into reality. We in turn can start raising mortal hell with our politicians that can help change this policy.
We wish you the very best of luck and please keep DU up to date.......
panader0
(25,816 posts)Send qualified testers with the census guys maybe. Free, unlimited testing at
every convenient location. It's an invasion and, like trump, should be
treated as such. Whatever it takes, and true scientific information should
be a priority.
Joinfortmill
(14,473 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,023 posts)Each generation - each instance of something like this - seems to require painful re acquaintance of risks and issues.
We are hamstrung by politics, costs, and ignorance - as well as increasing distrust in science and experts.
I think the march toward devaluing knowledge began with Ronnie Raygun - it is being super-catalyzed by the orange asshole and his cabal.
When we look back on this....those of us who can....
mzmolly
(51,006 posts)I hope for information and guidelines to protect heroes (like you) who are on the front lines.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Thank you for all you do.
iluvtennis
(19,880 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,438 posts)Thanks for sharing elias.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)to be then sent to a certified lab for analysis.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213059828
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)It's living in a republican paradise.
MFM008
(19,821 posts)Professionals for weighing in.
Were NOT listening to this white house.
burrowowl
(17,653 posts)dalton99a
(81,626 posts)Botany
(70,592 posts)You can't help the public and your patients if you are sick too.
BTW I hope I am wrong but the #s
330,000,000 (Americans) x 40% (infection rate) x 3% (lethality rate) = 3,960,000 dead
BlueMTexpat
(15,374 posts)seem to be living than dying.
The bad news: I am considered to be in one of the most vulnerable groups.
Life goes on, nonetheless.
Until it doesn't.
Sea Turtle
(69 posts)It will soon be 2 years that I was taken to the ER after a terrible car accident. When I woke up in the ER I was surrounded by capable caring people doing what was necessary to save my life. I didnt have to worry or do a thing. I just had to lay there while they made the important decisions and did the hard work for me. I am so grateful for people like you. I hope you remain well, and are able to continue to help people in desperate need. God bless you.
calimary
(81,518 posts)Thank you for your selfless tireless work, elias7.
You are literally putting your life on the line in service to others.
I dont think our doctors and nurses get enough appreciation. Maybe that will change now.
This is so damn heartbreaking! And being led by a shortsighted selfish vainglorious idiot only makes the situation worse.
I live with a science nerd. Hes getting rather ruthless about staying close to home And limiting human contact. Hand sanitizer is everywhere. In our little Indivisible circle Im trying to keep on top of the facts - the majority of our asks this week were coronavirus-related. We have to push ALL our reps as aggressively as possible as to the urgency of all this. We have to push back harder against what trump is pushing with his this is all a hoax and itll all go away in a few days/vaccine in a few months simpleton mentality. There are too many science-deniers in our midst, unfortunately from the top down.
Maribelle
(4,783 posts)help is readily on the internet, but I'm favoring Cod Liver Oil, Collagen, and Calcium pills.
Bless you, bless us all!
librechik
(30,676 posts)Hospitaling is my career choice when I'm not doing other things. I've been thinking about dusting off my teletech credentials and return to work for a couple of days a week even though I'm retired. The need is great.
Guess I'll put that off for awhile. I would be more trouble as a newbie than I'm worth as a spare hand.
If I live, they might need my help anyway.Then again, maybe you can get the virus more than once.We don't know yet.
Hospital crews are the BEST folks on earth.
hunter
(38,334 posts)...her patient population. I feel like I'm waiting for the hurricane.
My octogenarian parents are worrying about me because I've always suffered severe asthma. Respiratory illnesses frequently end up in my lungs. (I suffered a bad one this winter; what my dad calls "walking pneumonia." )
I worry about my parents, and my wife's parents.
We've got many teachers in our family who are exposed to children every day. These are largely children who don't stay home when they are sick because they are from single parent families, or both parents work. They depend on the schools for child care, and in many cases, breakfast and lunch as well.
This has already impacted my own children's work. They can do much of their work from home and have been encouraged to do so whenever possible, reversing recent management trends to haul everyone back to the office. One of my kids just had a major conference canceled.
sellitman
(11,607 posts)I am scared shitless for you and her.