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Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 07:37 PM Mar 2020

Pics from around the country of friday panic shopping

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8084011/Panic-shoppers-line-block-hours-amid-coronavirus-fears.html







MIAMI, FLORIDA: Some customers shopped with friends as they stocked up together at a Miami customer. This woman pushes a pallet laden down with bottled water for her and her pals









TARZANA, CALIFORNIA: Rations were also put in place at a CVS in Tarzana, California. Several residents in the area have tested positive to coronavirus after returning from a ski trip in Italy







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Pics from around the country of friday panic shopping (Original Post) Demovictory9 Mar 2020 OP
Could someone please tell me why people are buying water? dem4decades Mar 2020 #1
They have no confidence in Trump C_U_L8R Mar 2020 #6
They may be afraid the water supply will be contaminated? To drink when sick? 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #10
Don't know. Doesn't make sense at all captain queeg Mar 2020 #34
There's that and 2naSalit Mar 2020 #35
Also customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #68
Wow! Some people are losing their shit. They worry about living, while their diet says otherwise. TheBlackAdder Mar 2020 #52
That would explain all the toilet paper, though JHB Mar 2020 #113
You know, that makes sense! 🤔✅ TheBlackAdder Mar 2020 #139
You have it wrong Chainfire Mar 2020 #149
Dang! TheBlackAdder Mar 2020 #152
Thank you. It's so weird. mdelaguna Mar 2020 #56
My City's water is not safe. Baitball Blogger Mar 2020 #64
Every utility customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #66
What about police, fire,hospitals ? MichMan Mar 2020 #79
I'm sure customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #81
You nailed it. yonder Mar 2020 #127
Extra Joe Short Mar 2020 #100
It is highly unlikely that the utilities will fail, but not beyond the realm of possibility Chainfire Mar 2020 #108
S Pellegrino water Turbineguy Mar 2020 #110
Hurricane and earth preparedness lists is what I would imagine. LiberalArkie Mar 2020 #154
OK, I really don't get this. Why water? And why more than a month or two worth of toilet paper? Squinch Mar 2020 #2
If they have 2 months worth of toilet paper they'd better have 2 months of food. dem4decades Mar 2020 #9
But none of them seem to have much food. It's all water and toilet paper. Squinch Mar 2020 #11
There isn't much food at Costco that I 2naSalit Mar 2020 #37
I buy a lot of groceries at Costco DesertRat Mar 2020 #119
For me it's an expedition. 2naSalit Mar 2020 #156
Conversely, if they have 2 months worth of food they'd better have 2 months of toilet paper. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #15
60 rolls of toilet paper (2 packs of 30)? frazzled Mar 2020 #20
Pretty much our normal purchase. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #29
Same here True Blue American Mar 2020 #128
Um . . . no. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #131
2 people True Blue American Mar 2020 #133
Must be in the 16 added since about 8 PM last night. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #135
Please keep us informed. True Blue American Mar 2020 #137
No confirmed cases in Ohio - yet. Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #140
Thank you. True Blue American Mar 2020 #141
So far - I'm just ramping up what I do normally to avoid seasonal illnesses - Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #142
Many are now True Blue American Mar 2020 #143
I wasn't able to convince one potential student to avoid shaking hands Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #146
Maybe they will learn True Blue American Mar 2020 #147
What of they have a big household? 2naSalit Mar 2020 #39
Some shop at Costco for businesses, group homes, daycares, etc. DesertRat Mar 2020 #122
63 million Americans voted for Donald Trump. John Fante Mar 2020 #30
Lol! Yep! Squinch Mar 2020 #32
+1000 llmart Mar 2020 #48
I also don't understand the water Renew Deal Mar 2020 #86
Spam!!! uppityperson Mar 2020 #3
Oh God, i just commented about 2 months worth of food, imagine if it's all Spam? dem4decades Mar 2020 #13
That's why they need Turbineguy Mar 2020 #44
low sodium spam! Demovictory9 Mar 2020 #95
Obligatory JHB Mar 2020 #118
I have been told that the new hickory-smoked SPAM is delicious. GoCubsGo Mar 2020 #134
I don't get why people are buying water. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #4
it's a habit - water buying for earthquake, storm, The Civil unrest after the Rodney King verdict Demovictory9 Mar 2020 #12
Whenever a snowstorm customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #69
lol...yeah..why not spaghetti and oatmeal? Demovictory9 Mar 2020 #94
A poster in another thread gets water from a private well. klook Mar 2020 #23
Why would there be power outages? MichMan Mar 2020 #59
See my post #66. n/t customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #70
Better go out and buy weapons and ammo for when the police department all gets quarantined & or sick MichMan Mar 2020 #82
That's the second time on this thread customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #83
I think it's ridiculous that we should prepare in case every public utility shuts down MichMan Mar 2020 #92
We shopped modestly customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #93
You can praise the people pictured in the OP for just being prepared if you like MichMan Mar 2020 #96
the "survivalist" nut job has now become stopdiggin Mar 2020 #98
I wonder how many are shopping for group homes, etc.? DesertRat Mar 2020 #117
There's a term for that logical fallacy- mahina Mar 2020 #103
Per that poster: klook Mar 2020 #80
Not at all "screwed" Chainfire Mar 2020 #109
See Post 80 in this thread for link to the other post I mentioned. klook Mar 2020 #125
private well Timewas Mar 2020 #136
They make buckets, Chainfire Mar 2020 #148
That works too... Timewas Mar 2020 #150
Disgusting. No stiff upper lip anywhere in sight. kairos12 Mar 2020 #5
Kick dalton99a Mar 2020 #7
I'm not stocking up on anything. smirkymonkey Mar 2020 #8
It's all over the place where I live. So I got enough for a 2 week quarantine and stuff for Squinch Mar 2020 #16
I agree. llmart Mar 2020 #49
If worse comes to worse customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #71
So do I True Blue American Mar 2020 #130
I was at Costco and a couple of other stores. It is crazy. And expensive. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #14
I do not get it Bev54 Mar 2020 #19
My thinking, paranoid as it may be, is that I can get items before any supply is interrupted. 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #26
E-gads it's not a nuclear winter.. defacto7 Mar 2020 #17
But electrical workers can. The_jackalope Mar 2020 #47
It's possible I guess. defacto7 Mar 2020 #62
good god... it's like we're all dweller Mar 2020 #18
I will say what is the health officials say Bev54 Mar 2020 #21
That was my first thought. llmart Mar 2020 #50
Nice turn of phrase. klook Mar 2020 #24
👍🏻 dweller Mar 2020 #31
That's exactly what we've been doing for 3-1/2 years. defacto7 Mar 2020 #63
i know dweller Mar 2020 #67
Not seeing ANY of this where I live in NC. cwydro Mar 2020 #22
I saw this at my Costco on Thursday DesertRat Mar 2020 #120
What? No limit on Spam??? MissB Mar 2020 #25
Your last meal is Spam! 58Sunliner Mar 2020 #28
No panic buying here in northern RI/eastern MA. Totally Tunsie Mar 2020 #27
We had our panic buying event last Saturday MissB Mar 2020 #33
Are you also in New England Totally Tunsie Mar 2020 #40
PNW MissB Mar 2020 #46
Nice part of the country. Totally Tunsie Mar 2020 #75
I read about the RI case... stillcool Mar 2020 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #36
That is so true. llmart Mar 2020 #53
You may change your tune customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #89
They can have customerserviceguy Mar 2020 #91
Spam, spam,spam spam! tblue37 Mar 2020 #38
Southern California water from the tab is not great for drinking . . Iliyah Mar 2020 #41
Well the stores Andy823 Mar 2020 #42
There's no rubbing alcohol on the shelves, either. klook Mar 2020 #43
Wouldn't Dawn dishwashing liquid do just as well? llmart Mar 2020 #54
If you wash enough dishes, thoroughly in hot water misanthrope Mar 2020 #57
Yes, soap is soap. You'll be fine. cbdo2007 Mar 2020 #65
Oh, I wasn't worried about me. llmart Mar 2020 #74
Right, people are going a little bit so about this coronavirus thing... cbdo2007 Mar 2020 #111
I get that... llmart Mar 2020 #114
Yes Tree-Hugger Mar 2020 #76
Shhh..... llmart Mar 2020 #78
I should stock up Tree-Hugger Mar 2020 #115
Remember one of the oil spills... llmart Mar 2020 #116
Yes! Tree-Hugger Mar 2020 #123
Carry on! Many of my family True Blue American Mar 2020 #144
Interesting. klook Mar 2020 #84
Yes, if you're at home DesertRat Mar 2020 #121
Trump better stock up on Depends.n/t Raven Mar 2020 #51
Things were normal marybourg Mar 2020 #55
"A person is smart. People are misanthrope Mar 2020 #58
Last week? Because it's quiet this week in Seattle. nolabear Mar 2020 #60
Hubby went to Publix a few days ago and when he came home he asked Why do all southerners buy napi21 Mar 2020 #61
PA changed Tree-Hugger Mar 2020 #77
I'm sorry to hear that! I remember so many mornings, driiving to work (downtown Pgh) on icy napi21 Mar 2020 #88
"What happened to the Pennsylvanians?" BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #105
. PunkinPi Mar 2020 #107
Today I bought canned food, beans extra rice, pasta...soup makings...canned soup if too sick for Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #72
Spam! An american classic Renew Deal Mar 2020 #85
pork, not beef MrsMatt Mar 2020 #124
That works Renew Deal Mar 2020 #129
I went to Costco today north of Seattle ribrepin Mar 2020 #87
At Costco, I got eggs and laundry detergent... WestLosAngelesGal Mar 2020 #90
Was there a run on ribs:) True Blue American Mar 2020 #145
I'm going to try to get ribs today. WestLosAngelesGal Mar 2020 #157
Gas is dropping in price True Blue American Mar 2020 #158
Thanks for the good news! WestLosAngelesGal Mar 2020 #161
Proof people today never would have made it as pioneers nini Mar 2020 #97
So much toilet paper. What, are they living off of Hot Pockets? coti Mar 2020 #99
Went to Giant for my weekly shopping yesterday Freddie Mar 2020 #101
This virus Aussie105 Mar 2020 #102
Some days I swear I live in the Middle Ages. Throck Mar 2020 #104
... BumRushDaShow Mar 2020 #106
Oh bloody hell. nt a la izquierda Mar 2020 #112
I wonder how many are repugs and are thinking.... Hotler Mar 2020 #126
We're a country full of hoarders. liberalmuse Mar 2020 #132
Home or the brave, my ass. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #138
That's the basmati rice I buy, but I pay less than that at the Walmart. mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2020 #151
I have 3 stores True Blue American Mar 2020 #159
You can use cloth wipes instead of toilet paper janterry Mar 2020 #153
So far, COSTCO is the only place I've seen this ThoughtCriminal Mar 2020 #155
Problem True Blue American Mar 2020 #160

dem4decades

(11,296 posts)
1. Could someone please tell me why people are buying water?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 07:42 PM
Mar 2020

Are the public water utilities not going to work.?

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
10. They may be afraid the water supply will be contaminated? To drink when sick?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 07:48 PM
Mar 2020

I fill 5 gallon bottles at the store.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
35. There's that and
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:38 PM
Mar 2020

In some places, the tap water sucks and people buy water already. And you may see one person with a full cart but how many people are they buying for who didn't go shopping with them.

I don't drink tap water so I woud be one of those buying water, as I do every week... and I have well water but it smells funny unless I boil it so I use it for cooking but I won't drink a glass of it from the tap. In southern CA, I don't even like bathing in that stuff let alone thinking it safe even when boiled.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
68. Also
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:48 PM
Mar 2020

if you do depend on bottled water instead of tap water, there's a reasonable chance that the supply chain will be severely disrupted. The bottling plant could have an outbreak, causing their workers to be quarantined, the warehouses, the truckers, etc.

Besides, paper towels, TP, and bottled water have a very long shelf life, not requiring refrigeration. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Chainfire

(17,549 posts)
149. You have it wrong
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:46 PM
Mar 2020

People are buying the stores out of toilet paper on speculation. The idea is that people, when they really need to go, will trade food for toilet paper. It will become the new currency in the post disaster world. Toilet paper will probably be listed on the currency exchanges across the world. Whopper, fry and coke? 1/4 roll, unscented. Bottle of whiskey; a 9 pack of Charmin.....

Personally, while others are hoarding toilet paper, I am trying to corner the market on sugar. With sugar, I can make whiskey, with whiskey, I can own the world.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
66. Every utility
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:45 PM
Mar 2020

needs workers who run the place. Yes, in the modern era, it takes very few to run a water plant compared to the number of people it serves, but they still have to have training, plant operator licenses, etc. If someone gets COVID-19, it is possible that everyone else in the plant was exposed through the same lunchroom, meeting rooms, etc.

So, you either ask these people to soldier on until they get sick, or you quarantine them all until the magic number of days has passed. It's that way with every other utility out there.

MichMan

(11,938 posts)
79. What about police, fire,hospitals ?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:22 PM
Mar 2020

I guess people should stock up on weapons and ammunition too in case it ends up being the apocalypse with total lawlessness

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
81. I'm sure
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:29 PM
Mar 2020

that gun dealers are seeing an uptick in sales.

You posted under my answer as to why utilities could very well be affected, do you disagree with any of the points I made?

yonder

(9,666 posts)
127. You nailed it.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:38 PM
Mar 2020

Somebody has to open the big valve, throw the big switch, etc., if that doesn't get done, what then? Eventual collapse of systems.

Chainfire

(17,549 posts)
108. It is highly unlikely that the utilities will fail, but not beyond the realm of possibility
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:18 AM
Mar 2020

It takes people to keep the utilities working. If people will not or can not go to work the infrastructure would fail quickly. That is not only water, but electricity, gas, and sewer. That kind of scenario is so unlikely as to be only though of in theoretical terms Tit is more of a nuclear war scenario than a flue pandemic.

If things became that apocalyptic having 20 cases of bottled water would only shortly delay the inevitable. In cities, if water distribution failed, then the toilets don't flush, which would mean that in a short time large buildings in particular, and cities in general, become uninhabitable, the streets would fill with excrement, and other deadly health issues would quickly arise. At that point, you would have many choices of what to die from; the flu, cholera or hepatitis, are among the many possibilities.

LiberalArkie

(15,719 posts)
154. Hurricane and earth preparedness lists is what I would imagine.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 05:35 PM
Mar 2020

Notice no food and stuff you would really if you were stuck at home.

Where are the aspirins, cold medicine, easy to prepare food for the home alone person.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
37. There isn't much food at Costco that I
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:41 PM
Mar 2020

would eat. I buy some stuff there like some paper products or something that comes in bulk which would last until I can use it all. The groceries I get come from a different store.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
119. I buy a lot of groceries at Costco
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:41 AM
Mar 2020

Coffee, chicken, canned vegetables, frozen fish, etc. are all much cheaper than I can get in my grocery store. And I find the Kirkland store brand to be high quality. Our Costco is a mile and half from home so very convenient too.

2naSalit

(86,647 posts)
156. For me it's an expedition.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:17 PM
Mar 2020

I have a bit of a drive to the nearest city that has one. The grocery store I frequent is employee owned so I don't mind going there, it's still less expensive than the Albertson's in town.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
15. Conversely, if they have 2 months worth of food they'd better have 2 months of toilet paper.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 07:51 PM
Mar 2020

Although spring is coming and there will be leaves, if necessary.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
20. 60 rolls of toilet paper (2 packs of 30)?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:11 PM
Mar 2020

That would last us a year. 60 rolls in 60 days: that’s a roll every day. Admittedly, there’s only two of us, but a roll lasts probably at least a week.

They should be limiting purchases.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
29. Pretty much our normal purchase.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:30 PM
Mar 2020

Whenever it's on sale, we stock up. I'd guess we have at least 48 rolls in the house now.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
128. Same here
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:45 PM
Mar 2020

I stock up when on sale. Am always ahead.

Since Trump says it will go away with warmer weather, we are fine! m

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
131. Um . . . no.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:53 PM
Mar 2020

Yesterday seems to have been a tipping point.

I was ordered to come up with a teach-out plan, in case the university has to close for the rest of the semester. All university sponsored international travel was canceled at least through May 31. A conference we go to every year in Denver was cancelled, and my spouse was astounded that one of her clients was told that their immune-compromised child could either stay home indefinitely - or - go to school with a mask and gloves.

We're in Ohio - where (last I checked) there are not any confirmed cases yet.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
135. Must be in the 16 added since about 8 PM last night.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:08 PM
Mar 2020

There's a potential for cases in my county (precisely one handshake away from me). A judge in a local court returned from Italy 6 days ago. No one bothered to question her at the airports in Philly or Cleveland. She contacted the local board of health when her daughter (who lives in France & met them in Italy) became ill.

Absolutely no informaiton at the board of health about how to handle it (and they took most of the day to sort it out by reaching out to various state or higher agencies). Initially she was going to self-quarantine for 14 days from the last day she saw her daughter (not her last day in Italy). I think that was changed to a mandatory self-quarantine from her return from Italy - but I'll find out tomorrow. (My spouse is on the board of health - so I know a bit more of the back story)

But since I teach at the local law school . . . and our students work in her courtroom; in her building - if she has it, I'm one handshake away.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
142. So far - I'm just ramping up what I do normally to avoid seasonal illnesses -
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 03:50 PM
Mar 2020

Wash frequently
Don't touch surfaces (I wear sweaters and pull my hands inside my sweater to grab hold of doorknobs, etc.)

I've added extra sanitizer swipes:

Meet & greets where I can't avoid handshakes without being rude - sanitize before touching my face or eating.

Buffets (which I'll probably stop altogether) - but for now, sanitizing after touching the common serving utensils before eating

I've had the flu no more than once in the past decade. I get a minor cold about every other year.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
143. Many are now
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 03:57 PM
Mar 2020

Touching elbows instead of shaking hands. Most are covered. I saw Pence do that this morning.

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
146. I wasn't able to convince one potential student to avoid shaking hands
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:05 PM
Mar 2020

Ironically, after I spoke with him for a while, I learned he is in nursing home administration.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
147. Maybe they will learn
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:09 PM
Mar 2020

If they see Pence.

Not sure that Doctor Trump will be much good. Of course he understands it all being a natural and stable genius!

dem4decades

(11,296 posts)
13. Oh God, i just commented about 2 months worth of food, imagine if it's all Spam?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 07:50 PM
Mar 2020

Spam and eggs
Spam and spam
Etc.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
134. I have been told that the new hickory-smoked SPAM is delicious.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:04 PM
Mar 2020

I'd love to try it, but not by the case-load! That's enough SPAM to feed an Army.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
4. I don't get why people are buying water.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 07:45 PM
Mar 2020

I get why you'd buy water to prepare for an emergency where a city's water supply might be cut off or become unsafe, but WTF? There's a whole lot of stupid going around, I guess.

Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
12. it's a habit - water buying for earthquake, storm, The Civil unrest after the Rodney King verdict
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 07:49 PM
Mar 2020

it's what people know to do.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
69. Whenever a snowstorm
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:51 PM
Mar 2020

was coming when I was in NY, everybody would buy bread, milk and eggs. One of the cashiers laughed when I said that snow apparently causes people to crave French toast.

klook

(12,157 posts)
23. A poster in another thread gets water from a private well.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:25 PM
Mar 2020

If the power goes out, they're screwed. In that case, hoarding bottled water makes sense. For the average citizen? I don't think so.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
83. That's the second time on this thread
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:31 PM
Mar 2020

you've said that. Is there a point that you'd like to make that I'm not getting?

So far, I've picked up that you think that bottled water = guns and ammo.

MichMan

(11,938 posts)
92. I think it's ridiculous that we should prepare in case every public utility shuts down
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:54 PM
Mar 2020

No power, no water, no sewer, no phone service. Are you one of those people in the pictures emptying the shelves of everything?

When all the police, fire and first responders are all sick, better have a years supply of ammo and weapons to make sure roving mobs of criminals aren't stealing our precious toilet paper, lysol, and bottled water hoards just in case.

Maybe we should all buy 100 5 gallon gas cans and fill them all. Gasoline supplies might be halted when refinery workers, fuel trucks, and gas station employees are all sick and/or quarantined. I mean it could happen, right?



customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
93. We shopped modestly
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:04 AM
Mar 2020

When we went to Costco earlier this week, we bought one package of TP, and one of everything else that we were there for. Wait, that's not true, we did pick up two four-packs of jarred peaches. Costco-sized packages can last two people for quite a while.

And you're exactly right about gasoline. After Hurricane Sandy, it was very tough to get fuel to get to work. That prompted me to buy my hybrid Hyundai Sonata, so that I could fill the tank prior to the next storm, and still have enough gas to get to my job for the next two weeks. And yes, that car's tank is full in my driveway right now, if power goes out, I can charge my cell phone from it if necessary. If there's still cell phone service.

A lot of folks who stocked up for Y2K were glad that they had those stocks in place when Hurricane Katrina ripped through Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

"Be Prepared" used to be an honorable maxim of the Boy Scouts, it seems like you've got it made out to be sociopathic.

MichMan

(11,938 posts)
96. You can praise the people pictured in the OP for just being prepared if you like
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:14 AM
Mar 2020

Does not look like rational behavior to me. I think they just look like fools waiting in lines and emptying the shelves like that.

In the meantime, the person that just needed to buy their normal amount of TP or bottled water because they needed it is SOL, because others had to buy 3 months worth.

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
98. the "survivalist" nut job has now become
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 02:03 AM
Mar 2020

Mr. and Mrs Suburb. And we're all going to pretend like this is now rational behavior.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
117. I wonder how many are shopping for group homes, etc.?
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:36 AM
Mar 2020

My Costco had lines of people buying t.p. and paper towels and that's what came to mind.

mahina

(17,668 posts)
103. There's a term for that logical fallacy-
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 05:23 AM
Mar 2020

Reductio absurdum

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum


In logic, reductio ad absurdum (Latin for '"reduction to absurdity"'), also known as argumentum ad absurdum (Latin for "argument to absurdity&quot , apagogical arguments, negation introduction or the appeal to extremes, is a form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that the opposite scenario would lead to absurdity or contradiction.[1][2] It can be used to disprove a statement by showing that it would inevitably lead to a ridiculous, absurd, or impractical conclusion,[3] or to prove a statement by showing that if it were false, then the result would be absurd or impossible.[4][5] Traced back to classical Greek philosophy in Aristotle's Prior Analytics[5] (Greek: ἡ ?ἰ? ?ὸ ἀ?ύ????? ἀ?ό??????, lit. 'demonstration to the impossible', 62b), this technique has been used throughout history in both formal mathematical and philosophical reasoning, as well as in debate.[6]

The "absurd" conclusion of a reductio ad absurdum argument can take a range of forms, as these examples show:

The Earth cannot be flat; otherwise, we would find people falling off the edge.
There is no smallest positive rational number because, if there were, then it could be divided by two to get a smaller one.
The first example argues that denial of the premise would result in a ridiculous conclusion, against the evidence of our senses. The second example is a mathematical proof by contradiction (also known as an indirect proof[7]), which argues that the denial of the premise would result in a logical contradiction (there is a "smallest" number and yet there is a number smaller than it).[8]

Interesting stuff!

klook

(12,157 posts)
80. Per that poster:
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:27 PM
Mar 2020

“... there have been years that even the city water system was down after a bad storm and running water was not available for days at a time.”

So I presume if you’re fighting the coronavirus and there’s a power outage that knocks out your water, you won’t be in shape to drive somewhere to get bottled water (and hope there is some left to buy).

The poster illuminates further:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13046159

Chainfire

(17,549 posts)
109. Not at all "screwed"
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 09:45 AM
Mar 2020

I believe that I am the poster mentioned. If the power goes out, you simply pull the flexible pipe out of the well shaft and drop a bucket down on a rope just like they did a hundred years ago. I can pull the pipes and I own a bucket and a rope, so I could continue to fix my meals, brush my teeth and flush my toilet.....I would also have the option of drawing non-potable water from the creek 200' behind my house. While this kind of existence offers many advantages, it is also offset by being 40 miles from a hospital, 12 miles from a grocery store, and at least a half hour from a police response to a serious problem. It is a life choice that was made 30 years ago as someone who was sick to death of city life, (I came here from Miami and had lived for a time in Chicago) and never regretted for a single moment. My wife and I value privacy above convenience and above making piles of money.

As it turns out, this lifestyle offers some advantages in the ability to adjust to situations that would not be available to a city dweller, however, that was not the point of our lifestyle choices. While I am fairly well prepared to live in complete isolation for a couple of months, I am certainly not a "apocalypse prepper." that said, I was a good Boy Scout and I am a fair to middling at planning ahead.

klook

(12,157 posts)
125. See Post 80 in this thread for link to the other post I mentioned.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:28 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213052655#post80

Interesting description of your life in a rural area. Hope all goes well for you and your wife.

Timewas

(2,195 posts)
136. private well
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 01:26 PM
Mar 2020

I have 2 of them but the pipe is only 6 inches, the pump is located 125 feet down,the water level is bout 30 feet down.So in order to drop a bucket down for water I would need to pull the existing pump out of the well in order to have full access to the 6 inch wide opening, then I could use a bucket about the size of a normal coffee can or slightly larger on a 50+ foot rope, I would also need to weigh the bucket down with something in order to get it to sink below the surface since it would not be able to tip to fill...not really very practical.. better idea if you are really concerned about it would to install a solar pump system that works regardless of outside power supply or do as I have and have a small generator that can be fired up and run the well pump fine.

Chainfire

(17,549 posts)
148. They make buckets,
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:30 PM
Mar 2020

I have a similar situation. I have had to pull my pump twice in 25 years, after it was toasted by lightning. My pump sits at about 200 feet, It is about two hours of hard work with ropes and pulleys to pull it out. I also have an abandoned 8" shallow well that would still function, but I wouldn't drink that water with someone else's mouth. (I would us it to flush toilets)

You can buy a commercially made bucket. They have a check valve in the bottom, you drop them in, they fill from the bottom and they hold a gallon or more. (they are called....wait for it.... Well Buckets. Do a web search and you will find several sources. If you couldn't find one, you could fabricate one very easily. (4" pvc pipe, a 4" test cap, super glue and 4 square inches of leather, cut from your wife's Prada shoes, Maybe $20 bucks total expenditure and a small ass whooping from your wife) It is amazing how creative you can become when you really need to brush your green teeth.

I have a generator that will run my well as long as gasoline holds out, Five minutes run will give me about a hundred gallons of water in a 200 gallon tank. I don't know how many times I can run for five minutes with 20 gallons of gas, but it would be a lot. When the gas ran out, I could switch to propane before I would have to pull the pump.

A solar system, with a battery back-up to pull a two HP pump would be ideal, but a very expensive proposition. If I was going to do that, I would just do a whole house solar system; not something you do after the infrastructure collapses.

There again, if worse came to worse, I could draw water from the creek and add a little chlorine to it. (yea, I keep a little chlorine on hand too)

My whole point is , that for me, living in the country on a private well, one thing that I do not have to worry about is drinking water. Of course, in the apocalypse, after six weeks, I will run out of food and have to eat cattails from the pond, and squirrels from the trees, a very boring diet.


Timewas

(2,195 posts)
150. That works too...
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 05:08 PM
Mar 2020

The solar battery powered units are not that expensive really and then you don't have to worry about gas at all..they make systems that just do the well.I am going to go that way anyway... We have about 3 months food and a milk cow so can last a while lot of deer and elk if push comes to shove and things get that bad..

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. I'm not stocking up on anything.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 07:47 PM
Mar 2020

Maybe I should. I have enough supplies to get me through a few weeks, but these people are going crazy.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
16. It's all over the place where I live. So I got enough for a 2 week quarantine and stuff for
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 07:52 PM
Mar 2020

if I get it: chicken soup and motrin and ginger ale, etc.

But the water? What is up with that?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
71. If worse comes to worse
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:58 PM
Mar 2020

they'll be hydrated lemmings.

I'll admit, we don't have water stockpiled away (except for three gallons of distilled water for my lady's CPAP) but if the water goes to being intermittent, we will use buckets to store it in. Bathtubs are good, too, you can use a 2 qt pitcher to scoop out enough to flush a toilet. Then, we'll be following the Ed Koch rule.

58Sunliner

(4,386 posts)
26. My thinking, paranoid as it may be, is that I can get items before any supply is interrupted.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:28 PM
Mar 2020

I can hunker down, and not have to expose myself for simple items. I can also help someone else in need, if necessary. I am at risk, so I prefer to be able to hibernate. Most of it is stuff I already buy, just buying now so I don't have to shop. If I get sick, I'm not going anywhere, either, and I will have what I need to medicate, treat myself so long as I don't need hospitalization. No one has faith in our govt to help us. I don't have faith in my state govt either.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
47. But electrical workers can.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 09:50 PM
Mar 2020

Hospitals can't get covid, but doctors and nurses can. Systems can't run for long if their maintenance workers go down.

Bev54

(10,053 posts)
21. I will say what is the health officials say
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:12 PM
Mar 2020

Don't panic, wash your hands and stay away from crowds - they are creating crowds

llmart

(15,540 posts)
50. That was my first thought.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 09:57 PM
Mar 2020

You'd think they would be worried about being cheek by jowl with thousands of other people standing in line for hours.

I wonder if Costco sells common sense, 'cause I think there are a whole lot people in this country who need to stock up on that.

dweller

(23,641 posts)
67. i know
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:46 PM
Mar 2020

but now we're stuck on the sinking vessel, with no lifeboats, and no land in sight
it's a sinking feeling
😐

✌🏼

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
22. Not seeing ANY of this where I live in NC.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:12 PM
Mar 2020

Normal grocery lines, no shortages of anything.

Went out for some Vietnamese food today. Lots of people eating there.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
120. I saw this at my Costco on Thursday
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 11:45 AM
Mar 2020

But my grocery store was normal except they were out of hand sanitizer and Clorox wipes.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
27. No panic buying here in northern RI/eastern MA.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:29 PM
Mar 2020

The only thing we can't find in-store are masks. Everything else is in good supply, and nothing seems to be flying off shelves. Prices are at usual levels, too.

We do have nearby CV cases, so I'm wondering why all is so "normal".

MissB

(15,810 posts)
33. We had our panic buying event last Saturday
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:34 PM
Mar 2020

in this area. 1000 people lined up at the Costco doors on Saturday morning. I’ve shopped at that one at that time and typically there are 30-ish folks.

Stores all over town were running out of items.

I shopped a bit yesterday afternoon and the stores seemed to be well stocked. Didn’t go to Costco- didn’t need anything.

I’ll go back there in a few weeks to pick up a couple of items but I’m staying away for now.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
45. I read about the RI case...
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 09:27 PM
Mar 2020

but I am still in the ignore it and it will go away place. That guy from New York freaked me out a little. A story here, a story there, my perception is changing in spite of myself.

Response to Demovictory9 (Original post)

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
73. You may change your tune
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:02 PM
Mar 2020

if they've got stuff, and you can't get it. Of course, we all hope you're right, and they're all wrong.

Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #73)

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
41. Southern California water from the tab is not great for drinking . .
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:42 PM
Mar 2020

Unless you have a water purifier and many do not have one. We are use to buying water. Buying enough water and toilet paper, several months supply in t-rump's era especially when him and his cronies overseeing the coronavirus is too frightening. Better be supplied. As for food, non-perishable items and can good are also being bought.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
42. Well the stores
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:45 PM
Mar 2020

are making a lot of money!

I went shopping this morning, early, but didn't see anyone going overboard on things. Did see some shoppers had lysol wipes, but not a lot of them. I guess things could have gotten worse later in the day.

klook

(12,157 posts)
43. There's no rubbing alcohol on the shelves, either.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 08:48 PM
Mar 2020

I guess people are making their own hand sanitizer or something.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
54. Wouldn't Dawn dishwashing liquid do just as well?
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:04 PM
Mar 2020

I swear in my entire adult life I have rarely been sick. I get a cold every few years that goes away in a week to ten days but haven't had the flu in decades. No other illnesses. I swear to God it's because I constantly have my hands in dishwater washing dishes with Dawn.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
74. Oh, I wasn't worried about me.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:08 PM
Mar 2020

I'm not a worrier or someone who panics/has anxiety. I take most things in stride. I was just making a statement that if someone can't get rubbing alcohol, that shouldn't be a disaster.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
111. Right, people are going a little bit so about this coronavirus thing...
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:19 AM
Mar 2020

Even the CDC says just wash your hands. Regular soap is fine, just wash your hands. I'm just trying to reinforce that for the over worriers lol.

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
76. Yes
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:16 PM
Mar 2020

This virus is very susceptible to soaps/detergent. It's made of - well, it's outer protective layer - fat and oil. Dawn cuts right through that. Plain soaps, do.


llmart

(15,540 posts)
78. Shhh.....
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:18 PM
Mar 2020

Don't tell anyone else or there'll be a run on Dawn dishwashing liquid.

Anyone else remember the episode of Everybody Loves Raymond where Ray thinks he's coming down with something and Debra is washing dishes and tells him that's why she never gets sick. Then she cons him into washing the pots and pans.

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
115. I should stock up
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:31 AM
Mar 2020

I use Dawn mixed with warm vinegar to combat stubborn soap scum in my crappy tub. It smells utterly terrible, but it works great.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
116. Remember one of the oil spills...
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 10:34 AM
Mar 2020

where they used it to clean waterfowl that would otherwise have died from the oil slick on their feathers? I figure if it's good enough for the duckies, it's good enough for me.

Geez, I sound like I have stock in Dawn (which is probably a P&G product).

Tree-Hugger

(3,370 posts)
123. Yes!
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:14 PM
Mar 2020

It's great for stripping those oils off critters.

I just need extra hand lotion after using Dawn. It really dries my skin out.

I think it's either P&G or Unilever. One of the giants.

klook

(12,157 posts)
84. Interesting.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:32 PM
Mar 2020

Since the coronavirus apparently exists in a sort of “fat sheath” out in the world, Dawn would be a great choice!

Of course, you couldn’t really carry it around to use as a hand sanitizer when you’re away from water, unless you don’t mind having detergent goo on your hands (or airline fold-down tray, etc.) until you can get to a sink.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
121. Yes, if you're at home
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 11:47 AM
Mar 2020

But there are times when I'm out shopping, etc. that I like to have a small alcohol based hand sanitizer with me.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
55. Things were normal
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:06 PM
Mar 2020

In my Kroger supermarket the other nite. It was even senior day (in a senior community) with 10% off, and the scene wes completely normal, if anything , a bit less crowded than normal.

misanthrope

(7,418 posts)
58. "A person is smart. People are
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:20 PM
Mar 2020

dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it." -Men in Black (1997/Columbia Pictures)

nolabear

(41,986 posts)
60. Last week? Because it's quiet this week in Seattle.
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:22 PM
Mar 2020

I was at a grocery store. Can’t find a few things like hand sanitizer but I saw no lines and no real shortages. I found antibacterial soap just fine.

If people are panicking it’s not here at Ground Zero. Last weekend I hear was a zoo.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
61. Hubby went to Publix a few days ago and when he came home he asked Why do all southerners buy
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:22 PM
Mar 2020

tons of toilet paper water when there's a scare? 20 yrs ago we moved to Ga from Pa. I found it amusing the first time they reported possible snow flurries. Toilet paper, bread, and water. I guess it not only has now included a virus scare, and also includes a lot of people who aren't southerners! I know I NEVER saw anything like it in PA!

napi21

(45,806 posts)
88. I'm sorry to hear that! I remember so many mornings, driiving to work (downtown Pgh) on icy
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:51 PM
Mar 2020

roads, being the first one in the AM to drive down Middle Road before it had tire tracks in the snow & how beautiful it was, having to hang back far enough so the salt/chemicals being sprayed by the truck ahead didn't hit the car.

NEVER did I or anyone I knew run to the store to stock up on stuff. We just weren't afraid. We knew you did whatever to get to work or school that next day. Put on chains, cover the windshield to prevent heavy icing.

What happened to the Pennsylvanians?

BumRushDaShow

(129,096 posts)
105. "What happened to the Pennsylvanians?"
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 06:43 AM
Mar 2020

Here in Philly, the blizzard of 1996 "happened" and gave us 31" of snow in 24 hours (and ~37" over 2 days). I know I (and many others) were caught off guard. Never again.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
72. Today I bought canned food, beans extra rice, pasta...soup makings...canned soup if too sick for
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 10:59 PM
Mar 2020

cooking...tylenol, Advil and naproxin...also Guaifenesin. The medicine was almost gone...no sanitizer so I made my own...Aloe and alcohol...need to us 60 %. This has me spooked...a person was sent home yesterday at hubs job (he works with her extensively) in Ohio with Corona virus symptoms...but we can't be tested in Ohio at the moment...

ribrepin

(1,726 posts)
87. I went to Costco today north of Seattle
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:36 PM
Mar 2020

Friday morning - no paper towels and no toilet paper. They may get some on Tuesday.

WestLosAngelesGal

(268 posts)
90. At Costco, I got eggs and laundry detergent...
Fri Mar 6, 2020, 11:53 PM
Mar 2020

They were out of ribs. I really wanted some cooked ribs, but they were out of them.

WestLosAngelesGal

(268 posts)
157. I'm going to try to get ribs today.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 02:13 PM
Mar 2020

I was so miffed about the ribs that I forgot to get gasoline. I guess that is important, too.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
158. Gas is dropping in price
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 02:32 PM
Mar 2020

So that should make your day! First of the month ribs should be on sale.

I do better at sales in Groceries, but seldom buy large quantities either.

nini

(16,672 posts)
97. Proof people today never would have made it as pioneers
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:22 AM
Mar 2020

We were talking at work and I was stunned at how many people never grew any vegetables, know how to cut up a chicken, cook anything beyond basic stuff, don't know ways of sterilizing water (boiling it etc), mending clothes and all those kinds of things.


It was scary. I could get by with very little if I had to and know how to grow food etc.. but Holy crap.. all that stuff is ridiculous?

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
101. Went to Giant for my weekly shopping yesterday
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:42 AM
Mar 2020

Philly burbs - everything was fine, all shelves stocked except hand soap was almost gone. TP supplies fine. Guess the panic hasn’t hit here yet.

Aussie105

(5,401 posts)
102. This virus
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 04:48 AM
Mar 2020

makes you thirsty, and go to the toilet. A lot. Apparently.

Someone, tell the CDC!

Good price on Spam though. How long could you live on water and Spam only?

Hotler

(11,425 posts)
126. I wonder how many are repugs and are thinking....
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 12:28 PM
Mar 2020

"better grab it before the libtards get it." You know, that whole I have mine fuck the rest of you mentality. You know, christian's......

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,489 posts)
151. That's the basmati rice I buy, but I pay less than that at the Walmart.
Sat Mar 7, 2020, 05:19 PM
Mar 2020

Boy, is that delicious. I think I'll make some tonight.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
159. I have 3 stores
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 02:36 PM
Mar 2020

Kroger, Meijer and Walmart. Walmart does not have sales but some things are just cheaper. Know the specials at the other 2.

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