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"In New Rochelle, a neighboring town to mine, an attorney on his way back from a trip, infected his five family members, the Uber driver who brought him from the airport and the postman who he greeted at the door
. TOTAL OF EIGHT just as quick as that ! Before that, NY State had NO cases."
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In less than 36 hours the total infected cases here in Westchester has gone from 8 to 17. The additional 9 came from a visit to the attorney after he got home, from a friend in White Plains who happened to be a MD. The MD and his fellow docs and their staff are all infected, and the whole Practice is now temporarily CLOSED. What a story.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)Yonnie3
(17,444 posts)Beringia
(4,316 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)The Colorado governer stood up there last night and said, asymptomatic cases are not contagious.😳
Sanity Claws
(21,849 posts)He was hospitalized.
His neighbor, the one who got infected, drove him to the hospital.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)is one of the people infected. However, he might have had a period when he was contagious, but did not know it - as it speaks of concern for people who attended services on February 22 or a funeral on February 23 at his synagogue. I hope that they have contacted everyone on his Miami flight.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)I am aware he is severely ill now and yes I meant before.
Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)jpak
(41,758 posts)n/t
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)By the time this whole story is written, my guess is that one of the major mistakes in handing COVID-19 is making assumptions based on previous coronaviruses.
SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)especially the mail person and Uber driver. Wow...this is an easily spread virus.
Just from the recent reports I've heard, there is so far a mortality rate of 2-4% (I'm ignoring the POS in the WH and what he says).
I had just one question/comment, if a virus is so lethal, how does it in the long run continue to spread? That is, why from a long term genetics basis, would you want to kill all of your hosts...if you kill them all, then you (the virus) has killed yourself.
Also, since this virus is so infectious, is it perhaps subject to mutating over time as compared to other less infectious viruses (logic here is that less infectious viruses experience fewer diverse environments vs. those viruses that are very infectious, more different environments leads to more genetic changes).
coti
(4,612 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)coti
(4,612 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)talking about a virus...perhaps I'm missing your whole thought process here...
coti
(4,612 posts)I pointed out that humans are doing the same thing (to themselves).
Nevermind. Don't worry about it.
SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)Of course it wouldn't be advantageous for a virus to kill all of its hosts, I was being rhetorical here too.
Thanks, and have a nice Friday!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You are babbling nonsense.
That graph does not support the notion that "humans are killing themselves off".
Natural selection does not work on a predictive basis, but on the accumulated events up to the point in time under consideration.
coti
(4,612 posts)but forever's a long time, you know.
And if/when it ever does, we've taken such power over and have such an incredible impact on our environment that I have a feeling we may have something to do with it.
That's not to say that we could ever destroy the Earth or all life, even if we tried- we can't. But I do think we're more than capable of destroying ourselves, and maybe not THAT far in the distant future. We haven't yet evolved the maturity and discipline that is necessary to go with our power.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)But the point is that evolution favors reproductive success, not wisdom or foresight.
lostnfound
(16,184 posts)Hoping for a not-lethal type that will nonetheless create immunity to the more lethal type.
This one spreads rapidly but doesnt kill as rapidly. I think people who get a severe case are in the hospital for a month (and on respirators for much of the time.)
SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)of them down the road, but of course the best thing is that it runs its course, w/o any deaths, especially since it already seems to be here, whether the rump admin. admits it or not. Perhaps this refusing to face the facts is why the stock markets and other markets have been going down. Because no one believes what the admin. is telling people.
Perhaps a lesson will be learned by the rump administration on where and when to cut budgets, but I kind of doubt it.
This will hang over the rump administration like a dark cloud, as it should. Cutting budgets for the pure numbers doesn't work in environments such as in a pandemic, and you would think that the republicans and rump would already know this, but sadly no. Greed over lives.
This should be stuck onto the faces of every single rump supporter, every republican senator, and every person playing the numbers game in the rump admin. Profit numbers never equals lives, never.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)co-workers, his family, everyone he or she spoke with on the route...
I talk to my mail carrier almost every day, and usually take the mail from his hands to mine.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)And after touching all the ones before them. Then people come home and open those same boxes.
We'll have to clean the handles with a disinfectant wipe before opening, but the paper contents are porous and will hold the germs.
There's also putting groceries into your cart. And there's...
Okay, we're doomed.
dmr
(28,347 posts)outstanding that hasn't yet been delivered goes into a covered bin down the basement. I don't remember how long he said he'd store them down there. As an added precaution, he's sprayed them with Lysol.
He said earlier today, he'd rather the family not eat out. I guess if you're going to take precautions, now is a good time to start. But as you're trying to say in your post ... there are a lot of precautions to be considered ... so, "okay, we're doomed", lol.
He's concerned about our family, but I know he's especially concerned about me. If I catch this thing, I won't make it. Besides my Metastatic breast cancer, I'm on oxygen here at home. So chances of me surviving is pretty dismal, dammit!
The best way to do this is to be a total shut-in. Who wants that?
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Be well.
intrepidity
(7,307 posts)Ultimately, in any natural selection situation, the answer is always "because it can."
There's no strategy or planning or thought of any kind.
It's purely practical, pragmatic. It does it because it can. The very proof that it works is that it survives long enough for us to notice. Jury is still out on how long it will continue to exist--as it is for us all, with evolving circumstances.
(But, as a matter of fact, this virus doesn't kill *all* of it's hosts, that truly would deem it eligible for a Darwin award.)
stopdiggin
(11,317 posts)or at least theory on this subject
High mortality vs low. Highly infectious vs less so. Rapid conduction vs slower. And how all of that ties into to propagation (survival, evolution) of the virus.
you can do your own search, but here is a reasonably user friendly article I can across --
https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/071201_adenovirus
SWBTATTReg
(22,137 posts)stuff, evolution and stuff, etc. Nice to have a spot to read on now, because it seems to be of interest now (unfortunately because of the CV), I've always been interested in the science / research stuff (being an ol' computer guy), and the .edu resources are especially nice, being that they are so chock full of information to read. Thanks so much.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)By the time someone shows the signs, he could have spread it to hundreds of others. Repeat, over and over.
Ms. Toad
(34,075 posts)Quick lethality does burn out, but a 14+ day lethality gives the host 14 days to infect others.
Nay
(12,051 posts)You can have no symptoms for days or weeks (if you come down with symptoms); you can have such mild symptoms that you don't even go to the doctor; you may be a carrier with no symptoms; you may be totally immune but carry germs on your hands.
When you feel fine, you are walking around shedding virus and infecting others. No one, including you, knows you are even sick yet. That's how this sneaky thing gets around.
It looks like this virus may kill from 1% to 20% of the people infected, depending on the age (over 60, bad news) and condition (underlying health probs or a smoker, bad news). Many people will catch it and be fine.
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Tanuki
(14,918 posts)Services at the temple gave been halted, and many of the congregants are in self isolation. So are students in the classes taught by the rabbi at Yeshiva University. Much more about this broadening cluster at link:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/06/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york.amp.html%3f0p19G=7900
spanone
(135,844 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)We bought him a UV car sanitizer to plug in and clean it every night but still...
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... this is very infectious virus
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)ramapo
(4,588 posts)This will spread like wildfire. It will not be pretty. Not unexpected really... just everybody was making believe this would never happen
Traildogbob
(8,756 posts)Not for the public good, only for trump, stock market and billionaires good. Always their playbook. Follow the money. Good news, this killer does not give a shit about money. Every ecosystem has a way of thinning overpopulation. Single celled Plankton in the ocean has a specific virus that takes it down when the population is too dense. See, Planet Ocean. Early in the show while they are discussing the base of the food chain. People have met the earths carrying capacity. Just science though, all lies from the gates of hell. Quote from Repub senator. Be best yall!
stillcool
(32,626 posts)in taking care of people.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-cases.html
2,773 People Are Under Quarantines in New York City
The mayor revealed that figure as officials said 11 new coronavirus cases had been identified in the state, bringing the total to 22.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)and not depending on the CDC shenanigans.
I am very happy to be a New Yorker right now.
moriah
(8,311 posts)And as you can imagine, that is raising any number of difficulties, CBS2s Tony Aiello reported Thursday.
The event was staged, but sincere. Elected officials ate at a New Rochelle kosher Chinese restaurant, where coronavirus concerns are taking a bite out of business.
We are here to demonstrate support for and confidence in a neighborhood and a business community that has borne an especially heavy burden, New Rochelle Mayor Noam Bramson said.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Somewhere, there's a Patient Zero, and they might not necessarily be in China. That's just where it hit the hardest early on.
To avoid all Chinese people is as ridiculous as thinking there's a virus that knows your orientation (remember those days?).
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Not giving THAT up!
But the widening circle of cases from one person tells us how contagious this is.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)You might get the same cold that George Washington or Napoleon once suffered from.
People really should start washing their hands. I know water is a new invention, but really.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)There's plenty of room I there.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)In less than 36 hours the total infected cases here in Westchester has gone from 8 to 17. The additional 9 came from a visit to the attorney after he got home, from a friend in White Plains who happened to be a MD. The MD and his fellow docs and their staff are all infected, and the whole Practice is now temporarily CLOSED. What a story.
Texin
(2,596 posts)The incubation period of this particular Coronavirus has not been definitively nailed down. The initial incubation was said to be from a couple of days to about 14. It's subsequently been changed, as people who were exposed to the virus (I believe the people under quarantine/observation were among those on that first cruise liner), have had symptoms appear some 28 or more days. Of course, that might simply mean that they were exposed to another person(s) who were infected but asymptomatic after they were released from quarantine.
Right now, my working premise is that anyone I meet or see wherever I am is a carrier or about to develop obvious symptoms of the disease, and that anything and everything I touch is contaminated with this virus. I know it sounds crazy, but maybe everyone needs to adopt that working premise. This is a little bit extreme, but right now in the Dallas area, pollen counts are high and rising higher, and anyone who suffers from seasonal allergies, and those who simple colds, etc., are sneezing and coughing.
Ms. Toad
(34,075 posts)COVID 19 is just a figment of our imagination. No worse than a common cold.
, in case I need it.
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)Weeks and I'm honestly afraid to go.