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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:12 PM Mar 2020

About Covid-19----some facts:

***It not only is not "just another type of flu", it is not even related. Caused by a totally different critter. It IS related to SARS and MERS.

***It is somewhere between 20 and 35 times more likely to be fatal than is the flu.

***Doctors in China who have performed autopsies on people for whom Covid-19 proved fatal say that it resembles a combination of SARS and AIDS.

***Donald Trump is only concerned about its negative impact on the stock markets; he cares not one whit about dying Americans. (OK, that was an opinion, not a fact, but---does anyone disagree?)

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About Covid-19----some facts: (Original Post) Atticus Mar 2020 OP
haven't seen any comparison with aids unblock Mar 2020 #1
Maybe causes permanent lung damage among Zoonart Mar 2020 #3
The comparison with AIDS has been around as to how the virus operates Ms. Toad Mar 2020 #5
I'm just going to say, it's very irresponsible to compare this virus to HIV or Ebola... moriah Mar 2020 #13
+1 GeorgeGist Mar 2020 #15
Thanks Dem2 Mar 2020 #17
Can you provide sources? Control-Z Mar 2020 #2
Regarding the first point, see: Atticus Mar 2020 #7
Thank you. eom Control-Z Mar 2020 #8
Also see post 9 below. MelissaB Mar 2020 #10
I feel strongly that those in charge of this Covid-19 virus should take control... Frustratedlady Mar 2020 #4
The "SARS/AIDS" article was proven a week ago to be false obamanut2012 Mar 2020 #6
This is from today MelissaB Mar 2020 #9
Thanks for the assist! nt Atticus Mar 2020 #12
No problem. Happy to lend a hand. MelissaB Mar 2020 #14
The "SARS/AIDS article" was published 3 days ago and was written by a Atticus Mar 2020 #11
Can you provide a legitimate link for those "facts?" cwydro Mar 2020 #16

Ms. Toad

(34,075 posts)
5. The comparison with AIDS has been around as to how the virus operates
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:30 PM
Mar 2020

for about a week now. The autopsy results are new.

"The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday.


https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181121.shtml

When looking at the genome sequence of the new coronavirus, Professor Ruan Jishou and his team at Nankai University in Tianjin found a section of mutated genes that did not exist in Sars, but were similar to those found in HIV and Ebola.

“This finding suggests that 2019-nCoV [the new coronavirus] may be significantly different from the Sars coronavirus in the infection pathway,” the scientists said in a paper published this month on Chinaxiv.org, a platform used by the Chinese Academy of Sciences to release scientific research papers before they have been peer-reviewed.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3052495/coronavirus-far-more-likely-sars-bond-human-cells-scientists-say

BUT - note that the second (earlier) paper was published by an entity that publishes before peer review.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
13. I'm just going to say, it's very irresponsible to compare this virus to HIV or Ebola...
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:11 PM
Mar 2020

.... just because it may use furin convertase to "cut" itself at one point in its reproductive cycle.

The nature of the cell protease that cleaves the S glycoprotein varies according to the coronavirus. The MERS-CoV S glycoprotein contains a furin cleavage site and is probably processed by these intracellular proteases during exit from the cell. The virus particles are therefore ready for entry into the next cell. In contrast, the SARS-CoV S glycoprotein is uncleaved upon virus release from cells; it is likely cleaved during virus entry into a cell.

Proteolytic cleavage of the S glycoprotein can determine whether the virus can cross species, e.g. from bats to humans. For example, the S glycoprotein from a MERS-like CoV from Ugandan bats can bind to human cells but cannot mediate virus entry. However, if the protease trypsin is included during infection, the S glycoprotein is cleaved and virus entry takes place. This observation demonstrates that cleavage of the S glycoprotein is a barrier to zoonotic coronavirus transmission.

Examination of the protein sequence of the S glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2 reveals the presence of a furin cleavage sequence (PRRARS|V). The CoV with the highest nucleotide sequence homology, isolated from a bat in Yunnan in 2013 (RaTG-13), does not have the furin cleavage sequence. Because furin proteases are abundant in the respiratory tract, it is possible that SARS-CoV-2 S glycoprotein is cleaved upon exit from epithelial cells and consequently can efficiently infect other cells. In contrast, the highly related bat CoV RaTG-13 does not have the furin cleavage site.

Whether or not the furin cleavage site within the S glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2 is actually cleaved remains to be determined. Meanwhile, it is possible that the insertion of a furin cleavage site allowed a bat CoV to gain the ability to infect humans. The furin cleavage site might have been acquired by recombination with another virus possessing that site. This event could have happened thousands of years ago, or weeks ago. Upon introduction into a human – likely in an outdoor meat market – the virus began its epidemic spread.

Furins are also known to control infection by avian influenza A viruses, in which cleavage of the HA glycoprotein is needed for entry into the cell. Low-pathogenic avian influenza viruses contain a single basic amino acid at the cleavage site in the HA protein which is cleaved by proteases that are restricted to the respiratory tract. Insertion of a furin cleavage site in the HA of highly pathogenic avian H5N1 influenza viruses leads to replication in multiple tissues and higher pathogenicity, due to the distribution of furins in multiple tissues.


Went over five paragraphs, but he explains it better than this other journal article, which also explains quite a bit with far more detailed graphics and charts.

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Essentially a ton of viruses can evolve to use furin, an enzyme very common in our lungs, to help in its reproductive capacities. All colds and flus weaken a person's "immune system" (as in, ability to fight off a secondary infection, which I'm sure was happening in China as well as viral pneumonia). This one, especially if it is replicating easily in the lower lungs thanks to the abundance of furin convertase there, will be a nasty one.

But people jump on words "like HIV and Ebola", and we have Alex Hoax already saying that this was bioengineered because of this research about the virus potentially cleaving itself with furin.

The virus's mutated sequence has as much similarity to Yellow Fever and RSV as it does to "HIV and Ebola". And clearly since this virus is sparing children where RSV almost exclusively causes issues in young infants, and isn't causing jaundice, the comparisons are not quite valid except that furin is a convertase enzyme that if a previously zoonotic virus "learns" to use, it can cause increased ability to replicate in human cells where furin is abundant.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
7. Regarding the first point, see:
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:53 PM
Mar 2020
https://abcnews.go.com/US/coronavirus-compares-sars-mers-recent-viral-outbreaks/story?id=69329364

Regarding the higher rate of fatalities, this was simply the range from the 2% death rate stated by the Trump team and the now widely quoted "over 3.4%" by the experts at the WHO.

So far, I have not re-located where I read or heard about the autopsies. Will post it if/when found.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
4. I feel strongly that those in charge of this Covid-19 virus should take control...
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:25 PM
Mar 2020

and keep Trump from making any official comments about the virus, testing, the treatment plans and absolutely no comments about the survival rate. It may be customary to reserve comment that would upset the POTUS, but this is an unusual situation and someone needs to take control of this idiot in the oval.

By attempts to put people at ease, he is scaring the hell out of many. Same with Pence. Let the experts conduct any press releases or public comments.

Same with the stock market.

If Trump was really concerned, he would also cancel all his rallies. They are just ego expanders and we sure don't need that.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
6. The "SARS/AIDS" article was proven a week ago to be false
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:51 PM
Mar 2020

Good lord, stop spreading so much misinformation.

MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
9. This is from today
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 08:59 PM
Mar 2020
Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus patients suggest the deadly illness is “like a combination of SARS and AIDS” that can cause “irreversible” lung damage.

Chinese doctors say autopsies of coronavirus victims suggest the deadly illness is “like a combination of SARS and AIDS” that can cause “irreversible” lung damage even if the patient recovers.

The grim finding was reported on by Communist Party mouthpiece the Global Times on Friday, after a paper by Wuhan doctors published in the Journal of Forensic Medicine earlier in the week went viral on Chinese social media.

“The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems,” Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times.

Dr Peng was commenting on the paper by Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology, whose team had conducted nine autopsies of coronavirus patients as of February 24.

“The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients’ lungs from irreversible fibrosis,” Dr Peng told the outlet.

More: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/chinese-doctors-say-coronavirus-like-a-combination-of-sars-and-aids-can-cause-irreversible-lung-damage/news-story/f58f19c5eeae99b845c54e2d2b9305ca





Atticus

(15,124 posts)
11. The "SARS/AIDS article" was published 3 days ago and was written by a
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 09:00 PM
Mar 2020

doctor who is an ABC contributor. What is your source for the "proven false" ?

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