Speaking of nazis

[captain queeg]

I’ve been comparing Trump to Hitler for years. There are some differences of course, but more similarities. His current efforts to control information in an attempt to look good are classic. But, I just read a book about Stalingrad that in a way provided some hope. For those who don’t know the battle of Stalingrad is often considered the turning point of WWII. Due to Hitlers unwillingness to accept reality the Sixth Army was surrounded and destroyed. As a last effort to get him to face reality they sent a decorated panzer captain who was a committed nazi to give Hitler a factual report. Surprisingly Hitler allowed him to report in front of many of his generals at the HQ. once he finished his report Hitler launched into one of his speech’s denying all facts. The captain left, realizing Hitler was crazy and they were all doomed. At some point even the brainwashed can see reality.

[Karadeniz]

1. One hopes....

[leftieNanner]

2. Maybe

When a family member or two dies. We can hope, but I'm not holding my breath.

[underpants]

3. Steiner!

Trump isn't much on planning or following through. His real estate story is one of sales and then neglect.

He has no advisors around him to speak of. He doesn't take advice because he is sure he knows everything.

[captain queeg]

6. Just realized that was the guys name.

I’d already taken the book back to the library and didn’t understand your comment. Then I thought about it and goggled the name. You have a memory like an encyclopedia my friend!

[underpants]

14. That's my favorite part of the Hitler videos.

Which I find hilarious.

[abqtommy]

4. I'm not sure I want to go through a tragedy like Stalingrad in order to enlighten the masses.

There must be better ways to achieve that...

[DFW]

12. My father in law DID go through the tragedy of Stalingrad.

Nazi Luftwaffe boss Hermann Göring at the Nürnberg trials in 1946:

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?.........."

My father-in-law WAS that slob on a farm. He was drafted at age 17, and sent to Stalingrad.

He did not come back to his farm in one piece.

[abqtommy]

13. Thanks for that perspective. War is indeed harmful to children and other living things...

[pecosbob]

5. Many of them knew early on...that's why the Prussian old guard tried to have him killed

But a great example of his inability to focus on military objectives versus political and economic objectives nonetheless.

[crickets]

7. Interesting. K&R for OP and discussion.

[BSdetect]

8. The turning point for the Germans was long before Stalingrad.

Probably at Smolensk where their SS groups lost up to 30% and never recovered fully.

[captain queeg]

9. One of the previous books I tread said losing at Moscow guaranteed Germany would not win the war

Losing at Stalingrad guaranteed they’d lose the war. Not exactly sure I know what he meant; probably that there might have been some deal reached prior to that.

[First Speaker]

10. Let's hope it doesn't take 50,000,000 deaths for Trump's fall to happen...

...I mean, he does have his hands on the nuclear button. It's funny, amidst all the clusterfucks, how this simple fact can be forgotten sometimes...

[irisblue]

11. Which book please? Thx

[captain queeg]

15. Sorry don't remember the title

It was from the library. Had “Stalingrad” in the title but there are many books about Stalingrad. I’d actually read about this incident in a previous book but it didn’t go into the same amount of detail about the soldiers reaction

Someone in a post above gave the guys name; Steiner. I googled the name with some extra info like Stalingrad or panzer captain and some info popped up, so I’m sure you could find the story in the net. By the way it showed him as SS which I hadn’t remembered.