Chris Hayes on HHS Whistleblower report: "This is real real real bad."

[Dennis Donovan]

Chris Hayes ✔@chrislhayes

So here's what appears to be chain of events:

The Trump administration repatriated infected Americans over the objections of the CDC.

HHS then sent federal workers to interact with the infected population without adequate training or protection

Then those workers went out into the public with no monitoring or testing regime in place.

And now the first US-contracted case has appeared right near one of the airforce bases where this all happened.

When someone at HHS raised alarms about all this s/he was criticized for hurting morale and then ordered to another position or be fired.

This is real real real bad.

5:00 PM - Feb 27, 2020

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[SWBTATTReg]

1. All caused by rump's incompetence. Plain and simple as the nose on your face. Good grief.

[diverdownjt]

33. It's not incompetence......

It's on purpose...Look at it again. They order them in to help with out proper protection
and them let them leave to mix with the general population.

Do you think they are not capable of infecting us on purpose? Who would gain?
Invest in big pharma right now. Protective clothing alone will sell a billion more this year.
Have you bought your face masks yet, I have.

[brush]

40. Come on, trump will lose if this incompetence becomes known...

as the reason the disease spread in this country.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

54. Oh, you mean if the truth comes out about something he did wrong his cult will leave him?

If only.

[brush]

61. You do know he needs more than his cult to win, just as we need more...

than our base to win, right?

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

65. Sure. But his cult seems to be growing instead of shrinking.

By November it could be enough.

[lagomorph777]

101. Trump's cult will morph into a Cult of Flagellants, like during the Black Death.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/flagellants.htm

[calimary]

114. Especially if too many on our side wilt and stay home

when it’s time to VOTE!!!

[bigbrother05]

97. Maybe they have some Indian Agency blankets for the homeless in L.A.?

They have a real 19th Century vibe going on.

[live love laugh]

103. 💯💯 "on purpose" nt

[SWBTATTReg]

106. I already have my face masks and have had them for years...

[SWBTATTReg]

107. No, it's flat out criminal incompetence. Idiot is too stupid to plan it any other way. nt

[lagomorph777]

100. Incompetence is a very charitable interpretation. This is part of Putin's attack on USA.

Trump is aiding and abetting biological warfare against his own country.

[SWBTATTReg]

109. rump is too stupid to plan anything like this. All he cares about is his stupid TV ratings...

and nothing else. And I seriously doubt that Russians are involved w/ the coronavirus either.

[lagomorph777]

112. I'm not saying the virus came out of Russia's very impressive bio laboratories.

However, we have seen over and over how skilled Putin is at using Trump and other Republicans as useful idiots to exploit and enhance existing problems.

[Kota]

2. looks like we found ground zero.

[Pachamama]

78. Ground Zero - HHS on the orders of Trump

So the stable genius may actually be responsible for starting the spread of a pandemic virus in the US.

Can he be impeached for this?

[Kota]

110. That should be the talking point, day one he screwed things up. He enabled the spread of the virus

thru his and the administrations incompetence.

[diverdownjt]

95. Yes...and once again...

It's an inside job!!!!!

It will be really hard to get out and vote when they won't let you out of the plague tent
to go pull the lever for a Democrat.

Not a surprise that it's in Cali...the biggest blue state we have. By November this will either fizzle out(not likely)or it will be a full blown catastrophic disaster.

I wouldn't be surprised if they cancel the general election because of this shit.
Emergency powers are real bitch, National guard troops, Active army deployed on US soil.
This could very well be it folks. Martial law with a MORON at the helm.

I can't even couint the number of ways we are so fu**ed right now.

Just spit ballin' here but had to get this off my chest.

[lagomorph777]

102. Disease spreads fastest in urban areas with lots of human contact.

So the apparent plot makes a lot of sense. Urban areas vote blue: GOP will hit them with disease.

[Squidly]

105. This this this

^^^^1000%

[exboyfil]

3. Republicans would chew on this for four years

Watch it be another scandal that drops down the black hole of mainstream media.

[dewsgirl]

11. I see many more of these incidents in the future unfortunately.

[Newest Reality]

4. My speculation?

This is not incompetence, it is methodical and purposeful. It even reads like that to me.

[Mariana]

12. Who do you think decided to do that, and what would be their motivation?

I invoke Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

[localroger]

15. More Trump magical thinking

He thinks that by ignoring it, declaring it fake news, and waving his arms at it he can make it go away like nearly all of his other problems always have.

[Eugene]

16. This is methodical stupidity. Rump has no use for expertise and puts know-nothings in charge.

Repugs who should know better are happily complicit.

[Mariana]

19. The poster seems to think the disease was spread intentionally.

This is not incompetence, it is methodical and purposeful

[mgardener]

24. I don't think it was malicious

I think it was incompetent people, with no medical knowledge making decisions that should have been made with or by medical professionals.
They ignored the CDC recommendations.

The buck stops with Trump.
He hires incompetent yes people and this is what you get. He is responsible.

Does anyone know if the person that made the decision to fly the infected people on the same plane as the uninfected people was fired???

Does anyone know if the administration will listen to the CDC?

[James48]

49. No- they would not have been fired.

The decision maker to send HHS employees likely is a career employee who did not know/think themselves that their employees would be directly interacting with these returning employees- and when someone would have raised the issue, it would have been during or after their exposure, as HHS or similar federal employees in general have much poorer training for biological events as would a CDC employees.

Big picture- HHS is logistically handing out motel room keys, vouchers, pillows and blankets. The last time they were activated is likely for hurricane relief. They have no training for biological agents. They are NOT medical or CDC people, they are hurricane responders.

They show up at california base, get pillows , blankets and military barracks room keys to hand out. The Chinese returnees show up. The returnees arent in hazmat suits, so they walking up and get keys. Later, the CDC people walk in in full hazmat suits. The HHS people suddenly reside they are screwed. Tell their untrained bosses, who say- don’t worry. That’s where we are today.

[wnylib]

66. What about the crew on that plane?

And the exposed but uninfected people?

How many more of them will turn up positive, along with their friends, relatives, and casual contacts?

[Newest Reality]

45. I would think it would be more obvious.

There has been some open discussion here, by some, that Trump has given many signals about his intentions, but I think looking into more is important to understand that.

I think that going with the stupidity option is buying into his act. You really have to watch him carefully to see that, but I have observed enough personally to realize that, if you agree he is a classic confidence man, etc., then you know the marks won't realize his game. It will not be obvious. It isn't to many.

People like catharsis and so, slinging mud and various judgements or assumptions are expected. If this were something normal or regular to our politics, they can be both fun and deserved. Ideas about his incompetence, maybe drug use, personality disorders are really missing the point. If I was pulling one over on a country, I would find that to be a fantastic success.

I don't expect anyone to take my word for it, but anyone call fall for it, in that case, he can easily embroil both sides equally. His history reveals that and his practice as a reality TV host even provided practice. If he was really that stupid, I think he would not be in the position he is and so adept at methodically destroying our system and democracy this well. Ah, that would be Dubya without his "brains" behind him. This is not the case. This is shrewd, precise and the motive is very clear. What is unique is that this con man can get the confidence of his base and whip up a character that takes care of the opposition by creating a ruse.

There's more, but i don't want to go on and on. I think you just have to look more deeply into it with that in mind. Consider it my opinion.

Oh, and check out Barr's speech to the Religious Broadcasters if you want to get better sense of the game plan, keeping in mind that this is the Attorney General of the US and he is only playing one arm of the game. Then, think about it.

[2naSalit]

58. +1

Been thinking this for over a week. All the puzzle pieces are falling into place.

[Newest Reality]

62. That's a good way to put it.

When you have the pieces in place you start to really see it, (or you have lost your cookies). It jumps out. I have spent several months on it though, (reading, watching videos of him past and present, making comparisons, etc.) kind of like a detective, just for my own benefit because this anomaly has been bothering me for several reasons.

Then, you realize, of course! P.T. Barnum. Pulling that off is rather brilliant in the most nefarious, malevolent way possible. He has a certain flexibility depending on the situation, but he is consistent overall. However, it has been done in the past with different, contextual methods to manipulate the masses.

This would truly be the all-American, reality TV show version and it is scripted, directed and starring, you know who. A debacle like this works as a spectacle and a show, or as Baudrillard put it, The Simulation. Of course, we see how the casting has been going in order for his sequels.

I don't mind being wrong, but if we can get rid of this huckster, I would think somebody may even write about the showmanship aspect of this bleeding debacle brought to us by the Orange Ringmaster.

[wnylib]

69. RE: Getting rid of him. When covid 19

becomes fully community spread, there is a slight chance that he or some of his kin would catch it, despite precautions. If so, they will get care not available to average people. But his age and health are againt him.

Poetic justice or karma might remove the orange blight in a way that voting never could.

[Alwaysna]

94. Stephen Miller. Motive: his own entertainment, feeling of power, & he's evil.

[Ingersollman]

98. Either

one of the two Stephens.

Miller or Bannon.

[defacto7]

34. It's either one, the other or both. But I will say one thing...

California.

[58Sunliner]

42. And the orange anus would do it intentionally to Ca. He enjoys hurting people and chaos.

Two planes carrying hundreds of Americans taken off a quarantined cruise ship in Japan arrived at U.S. military bases overnight. The first touched down at Travis Air Force Base in California and the other landed several hours later in Texas. "A select number of high-risk passengers" were then flown to Omaha, Nebraska, according to the State Department.

[Mariana]

46. It won't stay in California.

This virus, when it kills, mostly kills old people. A much higher percentage of old people vote Republican than young people. Why would Trump and his cronies want to kill off a bunch of their most reliable supporters?

I still think this can adequately be explained by stupidity.

[James48]

50. Ya think?

Maybe enough old Trump voters will be too sick and die by November.

[defacto7]

53. I'm only suspicious.

I have family there. Most of CA is blue, the far north is red. Trump hates CA with a vengeance and he's made that very clear. CA has thwarted his business plans on occasion. There's been an on going feud between him and CA on regulations and to top it off, he hates that the CA economy is stronger than most nations, and oh how Putin hates that one. I think CA has the economy of a couple Russia's: someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

[Mariana]

75. I think if the infected people had been brought to, say, Alabama

the same thing would have happened.

Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that he hates California and wishes harm upon its residents, I just don't think he's intelligent enough to put together a plan like this and put it into action.

[defacto7]

76. Excellent point.

[wnylib]

73. I am one of those old, vulnerable people

and nervous as hell. Already have asthma and chronuc chest congestion from allergies. If I get it, it will not be a mild case.

I bought some masks, but could only get a small number since local stores are out. I have stocked up on gloves, Lysol wet wipes, Lysol floor cleaner and spray. If necessary, I will improvise with a disinfectant wipe sandwiched between layers of medical gauze to hold up to my face.

Still need to stock up on food in case I need to hole up for a while.

Taking antihistamines and vitamins daily.

Just to get in practice so it becomes second nature, I am cautious now about being physically close to people and no longer shake hands.

The rest is a roll of the dice.

[Mariana]

77. It's a scary thing.

I wish you luck, I really do.

[wnylib]

81. Thanks. I will need it. There are other

DUers in the same boat.

[wnylib]

70. That occurred to me, too.

[Pachamama]

79. +1000000

Exactly - California

[yellowcanine]

5. Nobody who knows squat is effin in charge.

We are doomed.

[The Genealogist]

6. There isn't anything in it for him to be a leader in the face of this public health crisis

All he cares about is himself and how the tanking stock market is making him look. And, he probably hasn't found a way to profit from it yet. HE DOES NOT CARE A WHIT ABOUT ANYONE BUT HIMSELF.

[japple]

22. What The Genealogist said. Ditto ditto ditto. That is why we are in such

a big fucking mess.

[Stuart G]

7. There will be more, and more will be worse. I don't know, but that is my guess.

[localroger]

20. I think this has put us past the window of containment

This thing isn't as deadly as Captain Trips, but it is as communicable, because of the long silent incubation period and large number of people who never have symptoms despite being infected and contagious. There are now hundreds of people who have probably been exposed and not monitored in the US. There is no telling how many others they have infected. At least some of them will be traveling, and well it will be just like the chain letter montage in The Stand, except 3% instead of 98% will die. It looks like about 20% will need to be hospitalized.

If 3% of the US population dies that will be ten million people. 20% will mean 60 million needing hospitalization, and there are only about 800,000 staffed beds available in the US. That might increase the death rate significantly, as it may have in Wuhan. Everyone will know someone firsthand who has died, and it will make a big hole in the economy by disrupting production and supply chains. Maybe I should go now and re-read the section of the novel where the government is trying to cover up what is happening.

[Ingersollman]

99. Recommended

for the Captain Trips reference. I am 100% in agreement with you. We are in deep doo doo.

[RockRaven]

8. This is not incompetence, it is malicious negligence. Trump and HHS Secretary should be impeached

for this -- especially for the whistleblower retaliation.

[PufPuf23]

9. Oh crap. The problem is these Trump minions actually

believe their own mental deficiencies.

This country needs adults at the helm not narcistic greedy insanity.

[Ilsa]

10. Kick & Rec. nt

[SunSeeker]

13. Yup, Trump Administration incompetence unleashed Covid-19 into our communities.

[napi21]

14. This is the reason he put Pence in charge of the virus. You watch, when all this comes out, DT will

say I've fired Pence because of hiss mishandling of how to deal with the virus & keep the country safe. It won't matter that a lot of the errors happened before Pence was put in charge.

[mr_lebowski]

18. The worst he can do (if you can call it that) is kick him off the ticket, BUT ...

This is exactly what I've been saying since the moment he put Pence in charge.

He's now officially the fall guy if shit goes South.

[Tucker08087]

47. Agreed.

My exact thoughts exactly. He knew it was already out of hand, and the next month will prove gross negligence. There are clearly some not so bright people in this country. They will not put this together in a month. Pence will take the fall, and Trump will be their hero. This timeline needs to be constantly brought up, in kindergarten language, over and over. He knew he screwed up BEFORE he put Pence in charge. It’s another coverup.

[Farmer-Rick]

67. So, will he replace Pence with Ivanka for 2020?

Or maybe replace Pence on the ticket with his Slovenian sex worker...

[mr_lebowski]

17. Well, sounds KINDA bad ... but we need to remember what's REALLY important at these times

[MFGsunny]

21. Do we know yet near which Airforce base this contagion may have happened?

Does it relate at all to the case in northern California???

However, that case is believed to be community spread.

[captain queeg]

30. That's what I'm wondering? N California somewhere?

[enki23]

35. Travis AFB.

I'm closer to Beale, but this is all in my back yard.

[MFGsunny]

59. Updating info on this matter from whistle-blower

As the whistle-blower said, quarantined, untrained and unprotected federal employees in late January/early February assisted the cruise ship and armed forces evacuees at Travis Air Force Base in Solano County, CA. That is the same county that hospitalized woman is from, our first case of "community transmission." She was hospitalized February 15.

[MerryBlooms]

104. rec.

[Pachamama]

84. Travis AFB Solano County - and Yes; and Yes;

And now a person from the Diamond Princess who was evacuated to Travis AFB yesterday has been brought to my county, Marin County, and is nearby at a hospital here.

This isn’t the same case of the woman at UC Davis that they don’t know how she contracted the virus.

The newspapers are saying there are a total of 7 patients being treated in the Bay Area at various hospitals.



But the news from this whistleblower and the unexplained case of the woman at UC Davis is scaring the crap out of me that in the next two weeks we will hear about 100’s of cases of infections all over - maybe 1000’s....

[Captain Zero]

91. TRAVIS AFB, near Vacaville CA.

TRAVIS AFB, near Vacaville CA.

[Evolve Dammit]

23. Total ineptness and failure. They should be forcibly banished from America. Permanently.

[ouija]

26. Maybe

We should just suspend the fall election because of a National health crisis for a year.....maybe more if need be of course.

[dixiechiken1]

28. I fully expect this to happen... n/t

[defacto7]

39. Trump's wish

[napi21]

48. ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! The election is NINE MONTHS away. This virus scare will be long 0gone by then.

[stillcool]

68. I think they have other plans..

for that.

[spanone]

25. ⭐️⭐️⭐️K&R⭐️⭐️⭐️

RANK INCOMPETENCE AT EVERY LEVEL

[skylucy]

27. I live near Travis Air Force Base. I am not happy.

[Chemisse]

29. I thought he was all indignant that they had been brought back to the US.

And said he had not been notified.

[intrepidity]

57. I thought that as well

Ha was pissed that they were flown back, from what I recall. Which still makes him a big piece of shit anyway. But let's stick to whatever the facts are

[wnylib]

74. What? He had no input on whether or not

they were brought back and how they were treated?

[keithbvadu2]

31. Trump was supposedly upset that the people were brought back to America without quarantine first.

Trump was supposedly upset that the people were brought back to America without quarantine first.

Your administration did it, Donald.

[LiberalFighter]

32. There needs to be better protection for those doing their job.

For example, anyone that attempts to prevent a federal employee from doing their job that might endanger the safety of citizens should lose part of their federal pension. Or in the case of the President should lose part of their presidential salary.

[58Sunliner]

36. What a malignant, sociopathic piece of shit.

[greenjar_01]

38. There are lots of medical folks at Travis who know what they're doing

This is bizarre

[warmfeet]

41. Short term personal happiness of humans, the rich ones at least,

is more important than than the long term health of well, all life on this planet. Don't you know!

We fuck shit up more than anyone else - proving we are dominant. Long live the dominance!

[NoMoreRepugs]

43. My son has been in China 10+ years. In addition to

to his sourcing company he brings American basketball players into the country to play in tournaments and tour Chinese cities. All of the players he brought home once China shut down and the tours were cancelled AFTER the outbreak grew flew back and were NEVER tested. These young men dispersed all over the country. Not a good situation.

[wnylib]

80. OMG! Has your son requested testing

for himself?

Besides those people from China, there are travelers back and forth to Europe (including Italy), as well as other parts of tbe world.

Within 2 weeks -- enough time for vacationers and business people to return to the US and other home countries -- this will definitely be a full blown pandemic.

[NoMoreRepugs]

88. Luckily he's been in the states the last 4 months.

He s friends in China and HK are quite concerned.

[wnylib]

89. i'm sure they are. How far across

China from the origin has it spread?

I've found the Guardian and BBC more informative than US sites. A US Chevron plant in London has shut down after a case occurred there. Some UK schools are closed.

We should be following similar protocols.

[NoMoreRepugs]

92. Impossible to tell for sure because Chinese government

has absolute control of the information. What my son has told me is that Chinese rural medical care isn’t great and many Chinese workers are always on the move because of the sheer numbers and many chase small wage increases. Those two factors don’t bode well for containment.

[wnylib]

93. I just read some interesting info

at the BBC site. US sources are saying there are just 15 confirmed cases in the US. BBC site says 60 in the US. Wonder who their source is.

[bullwinkle428]

44. How many thousands did this muthafucka just kill on 5th Avenue?

[James48]

51. About 3.41% so far.

That’s the death rate after 14 days after showing signs of infection so far.

Of course, that’s mostly Chinese deaths, so the data will have to be checked as the pandemic spreads and we get USA data to cross check that figure against.

[czarjak]

72. Enough?

[Blue Owl]

52. Don't worry -- Pence is on it

[Dopers_Greed]

55. Dems need to hammer the Douchebag over this

I'm talking a Hillary/email/Benghazi-level leading up to the election

[hangaleft]

63. Sounds good to me!

Which Committee begins public hearings first?

[Kablooie]

56. Welcome to Trump's America!

Reality will not get in the way of Trumps political ambitions no matter how many people have to die from it.

[paleotn]

60. Really bad? More than slightly.

Experts have been predicting for over 30 years that some novel, zoonotic virus would create a 1918 like pandemic or worse. The only surprising thing is it's taken this long to happen.

[milestogo]

64. Trump thinks you can play politics with a virus.

[progressoid]

71. Really bad, not real bad.

[Lord Ludd]

82. Corrina, Corrina

One of my favorites. (Just trying to brighten things up a bit.)

[liberal N proud]

83. That son of a bitch wants a pandemic on US soil

[NutmegYankee]

86. It would help him to enact an authoritarian agenda.

People will support really stupid things when they are afraid.

[liberal N proud]

111. Bingo

[Glimmer of Hope]

85. Was the whistle blower fired?

[DallasNE]

87. This Is What Happens When

You appoint someone to a job that has no background in the field then further exacerbate the problem by hollowing out the career people with a world of expertise just because they may have sent out a Tweet in the last 4 years that was less than praiseworthy of Trump. The hollowed out department is now dysfunctional. And putting Pence in charge isn't going to fix it.

[Dopers_Greed]

90. We should give patient zero a White House tour

Since Dump doesn't think the virus is that big of a deal

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

96. It has been real, real bad since 2016...

Now it’s getting terrifyingly horrendous. Oh yeah, now add in a pandemic.

[dalton99a]

108. Kick

[McCamy Taylor]

113. Did someone in Trump's administration take a bribe to bring the infected back?

Before the CDc could set up safety precautions? They could have taken them to an island that the US controls for quarantine. Why bring them to the mainland US? Was one of them a VIP that had to get home fast?

[Uncle Joe]

115. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread Dennis Donovan.