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gulliver

(13,186 posts)
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 12:57 AM Feb 2020

"Democrat Party" isn't bugging me as much as it used to.

Maybe it's just me. I'm in the party for democrats, believers in democracy. It used to bug the heck out of me when some Republicanistic yahoo said "Democrat Party." Now they all do it, including Fred Trump's brat, technically the President. But somehow it doesn't bother me as much. It almost makes me feel like Republicans are denouncing democracy itself now and isolating respect for it to our party. That's starting to be the way I hear it.

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"Democrat Party" isn't bugging me as much as it used to. (Original Post) gulliver Feb 2020 OP
Just call them the Repubic Party and I'm good. Funtatlaguy Feb 2020 #1
I call them the marybourg Feb 2020 #8
publican and sinner party jls4561 Feb 2020 #9
RepubliCON Party -- the party of CONservatives (the 1%) and CONNEDservates (the goobers) progree Feb 2020 #13
That or Republiclan works for me Rstrstx Feb 2020 #31
I prefer Trump Party. mwooldri Feb 2020 #11
the party of trump bdamomma Feb 2020 #36
Why would you give them this inch? ibegurpard Feb 2020 #2
Call them by their name SCantiGOP Feb 2020 #3
Judo. Words and phrases change meaning over time. gulliver Feb 2020 #4
In 2004, when I heard candidate John Kerry say it Frasier Balzov Feb 2020 #5
When did KERRY say it and what was the quote? If something like that stuck with you, you should be UTUSN Feb 2020 #26
I don't think he realized that it had been co-opted. Frasier Balzov Feb 2020 #27
All Dems including so prominent one as KERRY were *immediately* irritated by it UTUSN Feb 2020 #34
I love Wikipedia, but have the same problem there. Frasier Balzov Feb 2020 #35
Still pisses me off. Aristus Feb 2020 #6
Whatever they call us it just shows that we're on their tiny minds! abqtommy Feb 2020 #7
It's not bothered me personally.... VarryOn Feb 2020 #10
It doesn't sound right grammatically to me. BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #12
It sounds ignorant, yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2020 #14
That is a great way to describe it. BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #40
I don't even understand why they think it's an insult renate Feb 2020 #15
They tested it. Funtatlaguy Feb 2020 #16
And Newt Gingrich was all too glad to help. nt crickets Feb 2020 #21
***Yip, LUNTZ*** is the source of it, that his focus groups reacted negatively, bad grammar grated UTUSN Feb 2020 #25
It was an insult back in the McCarthy days. Initech Feb 2020 #30
I refuse to allow facsist political figures and propagandists to rename MY party. Crunchy Frog Feb 2020 #17
That effin' simple malaise Feb 2020 #18
plus they can't even bdamomma Feb 2020 #38
It's childish. BlueStater Feb 2020 #19
It is childish, just like their idiot leader Green Line Feb 2020 #20
It's also effective. They're getting our own people to normalize and interalize it. Crunchy Frog Feb 2020 #42
Democrat noun, Democratic adjective. BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #22
Noun as adjective gulliver Feb 2020 #23
Cool! Thanks! BlueIdaho Feb 2020 #24
Still like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. Probably because they cry baby Feb 2020 #28
At this point it's the least of our worries. Vinca Feb 2020 #29
It's meant as a slur besides being grammatically incorrect. Still bugs the hell out of me octoberlib Feb 2020 #32
It sounds illiterate, and it's the verbal equivalent of a throwing a "gang sign." VOX Feb 2020 #33
+++ Leghorn21 Feb 2020 #37
You know it! VOX Feb 2020 #39
Some cons were using "Democrate". keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #41

progree

(10,909 posts)
13. RepubliCON Party -- the party of CONservatives (the 1%) and CONNEDservates (the goobers)
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:17 AM
Feb 2020

It's all a matter of proper pronunciation and sticky CAPS LOCK keys.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
11. I prefer Trump Party.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:01 AM
Feb 2020

Because any reasonable Republican has either disaffiliated themselves from the GOP or switched to the Democratic Party.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
4. Judo. Words and phrases change meaning over time.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:01 AM
Feb 2020

As I say, it could be just the way I'm hearing it now, but now I think it's starting to turn into a concession to our party's superiority for those who believe in democracy.

Frasier Balzov

(2,655 posts)
5. In 2004, when I heard candidate John Kerry say it
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:14 AM
Feb 2020

I was very disheartened. I knew we were in trouble, even before swiftboating came up to full steam.

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
26. When did KERRY say it and what was the quote? If something like that stuck with you, you should be
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:08 PM
Feb 2020

able to verify something that some of us would take as a slam at KERRY.






Frasier Balzov

(2,655 posts)
27. I don't think he realized that it had been co-opted.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 02:22 PM
Feb 2020

Possibly assumed Democrat Party was actually a more correct way to refer to the Democratic Party. It's a proper noun, he might have thought. Not an adjective.

This bastardization had come from right-wing talk radio, Limbaugh specifically. Don't give the Left the satisfaction of calling themselves democratic! Thus entering the vernacular of conservative usage. Something Kerry might have unknowingly picked up like a virus when crossing the aisle.

As Al Franken once observed, be vigilant to such word tricks or Clear Skies Initiative can cover for the true meaning that someone is planning to clear the skies of birds.

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
34. All Dems including so prominent one as KERRY were *immediately* irritated by it
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:12 PM
Feb 2020

See all the other posts here about its being a propaganda gimmick started by Frank LUNTZ.

You have avoided adding context to your hearing KERRY use it.






Frasier Balzov

(2,655 posts)
35. I love Wikipedia, but have the same problem there.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:17 PM
Feb 2020

It's not enough to assert your own first-hand experience as a reliable source.

I hollered at John Kerry through the TV when I heard him do it.

Aristus

(66,388 posts)
6. Still pisses me off.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:15 AM
Feb 2020

What makes me feel better is knowing they're dipshit Republicans who get exhausted going for that fourth syllable, so they give up.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
10. It's not bothered me personally....
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:27 AM
Feb 2020

In fact, I didnt know it was offensive until a couple years ago. But, I do want to say it correctly, and I do say and write "Democratic" now. Admittedly, though, on occasion, the incorrect way comes out when I'm speaking. Fortunately, it's rare and rarer.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
12. It doesn't sound right grammatically to me.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:13 AM
Feb 2020

People should be taught to pronounce words correctly. Once they know what is correct they can choose to mispronounce it if they want to, but that is just my opinion. It hurts my ears like nails on a chalkboard.

Funtatlaguy

(10,879 posts)
16. They tested it.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 05:49 AM
Feb 2020

GOP Pollster Frank Luntz said that Democratic has more positive feelings attached to it than Democrat does.
So, he told Repubs to start calling us the Democrat Party.

UTUSN

(70,711 posts)
25. ***Yip, LUNTZ*** is the source of it, that his focus groups reacted negatively, bad grammar grated
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 01:01 PM
Feb 2020

The problem is, as the O.P. is experiencing, over time crap becomes normalized, or as we're all experiencing like SHITLER operates on normalizing himself. The succeeding generations forgot how it started and then later ones don't even know how it started, the propaganda of it at work.

The grating of bad grammar (using the noun "Democrat" where the adjective "Democratic" goes) just *SOUNDS* bad for starters. I've heard young wingnuts today, their not knowing the history, attempting to rationalize the usage on an ideological basis, claiming that the DemocratIC Party is not "d"emocratic, and needs to be called by something that grates on the ear.







Initech

(100,081 posts)
30. It was an insult back in the McCarthy days.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:22 PM
Feb 2020

Apparently they think it's ok to use it now because they're insane.

Crunchy Frog

(26,587 posts)
17. I refuse to allow facsist political figures and propagandists to rename MY party.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 06:08 AM
Feb 2020

That's just me though.

bdamomma

(63,877 posts)
38. plus they can't even
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:36 PM
Feb 2020

govern they have proved that over the decades. We have always cared about the people.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
19. It's childish.
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 09:48 AM
Feb 2020

I can’t get over the fact that it’s so-called adults partaking in this juvenile bullshit. So many emotionally-stunted assholes in this country who stopped maturing at the age of ten. It’s beyond embarrassing.

cry baby

(6,682 posts)
28. Still like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. Probably because they
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 02:24 PM
Feb 2020

say it like that to push our buttons. It definitely pushes my buttons.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
32. It's meant as a slur besides being grammatically incorrect. Still bugs the hell out of me
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:40 PM
Feb 2020

and I correct anybody who uses it in my presence.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
33. It sounds illiterate, and it's the verbal equivalent of a throwing a "gang sign."
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 03:52 PM
Feb 2020

It will always irritate me, because of WHO says it, and then says the uglier things right after they spit out “Democrat Party.”

Trump is doing it, too, and even that flaming mental case knows it’s incorrect, but his reptilian sense of aggression has been programmed to say it, since it’s one more thing that “owns the libs.”

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
37. +++
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:35 PM
Feb 2020

I first heard it during GW bush years, and it pissed me off then and it pisses me off now GRRRRR

VOX

(22,976 posts)
39. You know it!
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 04:43 PM
Feb 2020

There was a short piece in The New Yorker a few years back that traced the genesis of “Democrat” as a harsh-sounding adjective to (who else?) Joseph McCarthy, in the early 1950s.

But you’re right, it really caught on in the Bush II years. Once the RW shock-jocks spouted it, it became a Republican staple.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
41. Some cons were using "Democrate".
Sat Feb 22, 2020, 07:33 PM
Feb 2020

Some cons were using "Democrate".

I asked what the extra e was for but they had no answer.

OK by me. It looks ignorant.

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