Airports warn of chaos with looming Real ID license deadline

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

WASHINGTON — The nation's airports are warning of chaos for passengers if the White House doesn't postpone the looming Real ID deadline.

The law requires airline passengers to present a Real ID-compliant driver's license or ID card at Transportation Security Administration checkpoints in airports as of Oct. 1. Those licenses require more proof of identification than regular licenses and are generally marked with a star on the top.

But while states have already issued 95 million Real IDs, that represents just 34 percent of the total, leaving two-thirds of the country with about seven months to get them if they hope to use a license to board a plane.

Without a Real ID, airline passengers will be required to present a passport, military ID or Global Entry card to pass through security, even for domestic flights.

https://news.yahoo.com/airports-warn-chaos-looming-real-213100521.html

[33taw]

1. Leave Oct 1 in place. Perfect timing.

[katmondoo]

2. I am not going to fly any more. I like the train better.

[NurseJackie]

21. A train to London or Honolulu would be nice, eh?

[Blue_playwright]

48. Wasn't Cal Tech working on transporter technology?

I would prefer that to flying. Although all the Valium is kinda trippy...

[Buns_of_Fire]

84. There are still a few bugs to be worked out.

[rzemanfl]

3. The law should be repealed, it's been 15 years for fuck's sake. n/t

[jimfields33]

7. Has it been 15 years?

If that’s the case most should have the new driver license. I think mines good for 7 years.

[rzemanfl]

9. The law is from 2005. The states kept getting it extended.

My wife and I have renewed our licenses twice since then. The first time we had all the paperwork but were told they were only doing Real ID on younger people's licenses. The second time we were allowed to renew on line with no mention of Real ID whatsoever. I am really pissed off about the situation.

[jimfields33]

10. I don't blame you at all.

They should extend it again but tell States to get it done.

[rzemanfl]

13. The law should be repealed. n/t

[cwydro]

12. I'm not very young, but had no problem getting mine last year.

Piece of cake.

[rzemanfl]

15. They renewed ours on line last year without a word about Real ID. n/t

[cwydro]

17. Well, I went in specifically to get it.

I don’t think you can get one online.

I wasn’t prompted or reminded either when I renewed. Then read about it, and I decided to go get it.

No one seems to be interested in it, even though I frequently go in and out of government buildings. I don’t think they give a damn lol.

[rzemanfl]

24. Read my post #9. We had the stuff when we went to renew our licenses years ago. They blew us off.

Did you have to pay money when you went in?

[cwydro]

26. Well, I had renewed just the month before, but I had to pay a small fee I think for the new one.

I have a CDL, so it costs me more to renew anyway.

Can’t remember the fee, but around $10 I think. A rip-off at any price I reckon.

[rzemanfl]

29. Don't you think they should have told you when renewed?

I am going to cause trouble when I go in. I have no intention of paying a cent.

[cwydro]

31. No, I've concluded long ago that most who work there are automatons.

I figure you have to be proactive with just about anything to do with city, county, or state governments.

Edit to add: yes, they should be doing that.

[winstars]

4. Everyone I know who is trying ro renew their Global Entry Card has been waiting for almost a year.

Never mind the news that NY State residents have now been deemed ineligible for Global Entry Card...

Welcome to Germany 1933!!!

[shanti]

6. That's messed up

I'm surprised he didn't do the same to California.

[winstars]

22. CA here. Been trying to renew since September... Being processed!!!

The website claims that "due to the government shutdown" there is a backlog...

What government shutdown?

[shanti]

34. First I heard of this in CA

and I'm in CA. Got my RealID last year. I know of several folks who haven't gotten theirs though.

[winstars]

58. I was unclear. I meant getting my Global Entry renewed My DL doesn't expire until 2022 and

apparently you cannot renew it early or else I would do so now...

[shanti]

88. Interesting

My DL was ready to be renewed in Nov 2019, and I did it in August. So, you're saying that if you're not up for renewal soon/within the year, you can't get the RealID?

[winstars]

90. I was told unless its expiring the same year you cannot do it, in my case early by 2 years...

However, that was thru a friend who went to DMV on another matter and asked a DMV person...

[dem4decades]

28. Is the State of California trying to get Trump's tax returns?

[miyazaki]

14. Global Entry didn't have a problem taking their money though.

At least I suspect.

[Initech]

47. My dad has been trying to get his for six months.

Oh yeah and fuck Trump for doing that to New York.

[a la izquierda]

67. Mine was renewed in less than 24 hours...

but I live in WV, one of the Trumpiest of states. I guess that's why.
Incidentally I was surprised mine went through so quickly, given that I spent nearly two months in Bolivia and Peru (not to mention the many, many months I spend in Mexico).

[obamanut2012]

68. Mine was literally renewed the same day

I just checked with my Dad, and it took his two days -- we both renewed ours in December 2019.

[winstars]

80. So I am fucked I think... Yikes... CA addy NG???

[underpants]

5. Trying to get One tomorrow

Need to go find my birth certificate...or birth control as I misspoke at the office today.

[rzemanfl]

16. I'm told old certified copies don't work. They have to be on special paper.

Mine is from 1959, when I was 11.

[cwydro]

18. I didn't use my birth certificate.

They give you a list of various docs you can use.

[obamanut2012]

70. Same -- I used my passport

And, I THINK my original SSN. It was very easy -- I made an appointment at the DMV (two months to get one at the DMV in my area), went in, and was out in literally seven minutes.

[Talitha]

39. I had that same problem in 2009 when applying for my first passport.

I sent the only birth certificate I had (1952 Chicago) and they sent it back with a form I needed to fill out and send to Springfield, IL for a more modern version.

It arrived a month later on 'certificate' looking paper and contains (wait for it...) a copy of the 1952 birth certificate I'd originally handed in. Sheesh!

Regarding the Real ID drivers' licenses...
The hubby renewed online in 2013 and received the new license with a star on it. He didn't request it and until I asked him about it today, had no idea the star was even there.

[rzemanfl]

73. That business about your husband's license is just crazy unless they copied his

documents on the previous renewal.

[Talitha]

74. That's very possible, we've lived in WI for almost 35 years.

Mine's due to be renewed this year - fingers crossed it'll be just as painless.

[rzemanfl]

75. I left WI for FL in 1996.

I have no idea what happened to my former state of residence. It wasn't red when I left.

[Talitha]

79. From what I can tell, it's the influence of the damned NRA/GOP.

And social media, too. 'Sheeple' get online and read all the garbage.
Then they run with the herd.... right off a cliff, apparently.

[rzemanfl]

91. People in your state were individually targeted by the Russains in 2015 IMHO. n/t

[samnsara]

102. just take in your drivers license and a bill with your current address..

...that and my soc sec card was literally all I needed. I gave them my passport as well just for extra ID. I just renewed my drivers license at the same time.

[rzemanfl]

104. As I recall your aren't in Florida and I don't have a passport. n/t

[Blue_true]

40. The people in your office must still be chuckling. nt

[apcalc]

8. Got mine last month...think eventually it'll be standard

[rzemanfl]

11. It was supposed to be standard years ago (2011). n/t

[VOX]

19. Got mine last October while renewing my driver's license.

In order to obtain the “Real ID” stamp on the driver’s license, you have to present your birth certificate, Social Security card or passport, and two proofs of address (utility bills, etc.)

At least that’s how it’s being done in CA.

[lunatica]

61. It's the same here in New Mexico

I had just moved here from California so I had to wait a month until I received my first utility bills that they ask for as proof that you’re a resident here. One nice thing though was that I was able to register to vote at the same time in the DMV.

[Raftergirl]

20. NY just started issuing them.

My husbands license expires in April so he will get his then. Don’t know when my expires but I think it’s easier just to bring my passport. I hate having to pull my license out from behind the little pocket in my wallet.

[DFW]

23. I am so out of it, I hadn't even heard of this.

But since here in Europe, I am used to presenting my passport, I just do it out of habit when I'm in the States, so I never noticed.

[spanone]

25. Have to go to the DMV here in Tennessee. That is ALWAYS a nightmare.

Thank goodness we've got our passports.

[Poiuyt]

33. At my DMV, you have to stand in line for 40min just so they can tell you

which line to stand in. And no, I’m not exaggerating.

[Blue_true]

41. My Florida DMV is pretty slow. I never go to it on a lunch break or when I have

followup appointments.

[Sgent]

43. Same here

I can renew my license online or using a private notary, but for a Real ID I have to go to the DL office which has never taken less than 4 hours. I have a passport and global entry and was just planning on using that.

[struggle4progress]

27. It's yet another bullshizz GOP law from the Bush era

[Blue_true]

42. Exactly, what does it do?

The one on my Florida license seems really easy looking to counterfeit, so I don't think that it deters criminals or terrorists.

I am glad that my license have it, I just don't know what it does and no one seemed to have paid attention to it, including me.

[struggle4progress]

45. It's a prop for GOP cosplay:

Act I: "This law shows we're tougher on terrorists than the Democrats!"

Act II: "Terrorist-loving Obama delays Real ID!"

Act III: to be continued

[Nature Man]

62. I can tell you what it doesn't do:

it doesn't prevent Saudi nationals armed with box cutters from hijacking airplanes.

[Blue_true]

95. Doesn't taking our shoes off at checkin and doing a near strip search

prevent Saudis with box cutters from getting on planes? Please don't tell me no, you will destroy my worldview. I think, so therefore maybe I am.

[VarryOn]

30. I could hardly believe how it easy it was to get...

It took about 10 minutes from the time I walked in the DMV until I walked out. They didnt even retake my pic.
As info, I live in Arkansas.

[obamanut2012]

71. Same, seven minutes in and out, no new pic

I used my passport, two utility bills and my work payslip.

[happybird]

32. Got mine in July, it was surprisingly easy

I hadn’t had a valid state ID or driver’s license in over a decade, and lost both my Social Security card and expired walker’s ID during a move several years ago. I was expecting a huge PITA and at least two return trips to the DMV. But, no! They accepted my original birth certificate, voter registration card, and a W2 from 2011 as identification. Walked out with a Real ID driver’s license for an extra $10. They didn’t even make me take the written driving test, even though I had not had a license in over 10 years. 😳


ETA: Forgot- actually left the DMV with a printed paper as my license, they mailed the card to my house about a week later. Also surprising and kind of scary: car dealerships let me test drive cars with that just that piece of paper as my driver’s license.

[Ms. Toad]

36. If you're changed your name - not so easy.

You have to formally document (with certified copies of marriage/divorce/court name change) every name change from birth certificate to the present.

Guess who that disparately impacts?

Women and trans individuals.

[Blue_playwright]

49. color me surprised that it hits those two groups disproportionately!

[pnwmom]

53. Yeah, I can't find our marriage certificate after all this time, and they won't take

a printed out copy of my old state's marriage records, which are all online. Now I have to wait up to two months to get a certified copy.

It's so ridiculous. The Fed. govt knows we're married. They've been taking joint tax returns for decades. Why are they making this so difficult?

[Ms. Toad]

56. I keep holding on to a sliver of hope that the vote suppressors

- and people on our side who keep insisting there's nothing wrong with voter ID laws

will get caught unable to obtain a Real ID and wake up to the reality that some people dont' have access to the information -and it is extraordinarily difficult, time consuming, and costly.

We'll never defeat voter ID laws as long as a substantial portion of the folks on our side see nothing wrong with it.

[SoCalNative]

85. If you've changed your name

and changed your birth certificate, then it shouldn't be an issue as a trans individual.

[Nature Man]

63. that printed piece of paper is a valid DL

nothing surprising or scary.

[happybird]

77. We were surprised because it looked

like something I could have typed up on Word and printed out.

[Nature Man]

82. a cop has to accept it

so it's good for any legal use.

[Orangepeel]

37. less than 1/2 the country flies every year. The 1/3 with real IDs are probably in the half

The other 15% or so aren't all going to fly on Oct. 1. This doesn't seem like a panic situation.

[mr_lebowski]

46. OR ...

If one assumes that only 1 in 3 people who might fly have a Real ID, because they're actually randomly distributed between flyers and non-flyers ... come October 1, every 3rd passenger shows up at the airport w/o the proper ID to fly.

That would be a friggin shit show.

Even half of that ... 1/6 ... would cause MASSIVE headaches. And it wouldn't just be that day, it would go on for weeks, even months, as the issuing agencies get swamped all of a sudden.

And the impact could be greater because all it takes is one in the family who can't get on the plane due to their ID.

[SoCalNative]

86. If you have a passport

of passport card it's not an issue. Probably just easier to get one of these than go through the Real ID stuff until after all of craziness has passed.

[pnwmom]

54. In all the years they've been pushing this, only a fraction of people have gotten them.

And yet everybody else is supposed to accomplish this in half a year.

And people don't know when they suddenly might have to take a plane flight -- for business or personal reasons.

[Blue_true]

38. I just noticed my Florida drivers' license. It has the star in the top left.

I renewed in 2018.

[wildflowergardener]

50. Missouri

My mother went to try to get hers. She tried to get her birth certificate and the county wouldn't give it to her because apparently her parents hadn't named her (first name) before they left the hospital. She is in her late 70s. They were told they needed a court order. Unsure what to do, they decided they would hire a lawyer. They went to the court where the judge said they needed to get my and my brothers birth certificate, their marriage license, a siblings birth certificate. It turns out her sisters birth certificate also has no first name. They still hope to get this worked out bit it’s ridiculous they have to do all this to fly. At worse case she won’t be able to fly anymore.

Just a warning don’t wait until the last minute especially if you are a senior citizen.

[DeminPennswoods]

51. Waited for the better part of a day

but got mine a couple months ago in PA. Thought I had all the required documents, but turned out one was wrong. Fortunately the clerk was nice enough to let me cut the line when I returned with the right document a bit later.

[captain queeg]

52. I got a new WA state license this year, not real ID compliant

I asked about it, can’t remember what they said now, but it was some extra BS so I just got my regular license. Pretty stupid that it’s not standard yet, but I have a passport so didn’t get too excited.

[Initech]

55. Got mine last year, it was really easy.

I went to the DMV on a Saturday morning, I was in and out in about 2 hours.

[hunter]

57. Apparently the terrorists won.

Fuck it. I'll walk.

[Ron Obvious]

59. I've had a passport since I was a child, but I don't know about a birth certificate

I don't think I've ever been asked for a birth certificate. I was born at home, so I don't even know if I have one or where to get it. I've had a passport since childhood, and I've always just renewed them in time.

I realise I don't even need real ID since I have a passport, but did I read it right in the "required documents" section: you need a birth certificate even if you have a passport?

[SoCalNative]

87. No

birth certificate OR passport

[Ron Obvious]

89. Thanks; that's a relief. n/t

[SoCalDem]

60. Just what they need, more chaos

I'm just glad I won't be traveling by air anymore, ever. Anyone who wants to see me can come here and see me in my own home

[KY_EnviroGuy]

64. Here's a PDF of the requirements - this is for KY but probably same in all states...

since it's a federal mandate.

Link: https://drive.ky.gov/Docs/ValidProofDocuments.pdf

Just like voter ID, this is going to cause a lot of poor and elderly people a lot of trouble. Many folks will go to the airport expecting to fly and be slapped with this issue without knowing.

I'm wondering if any of the state DMVs are instructed to ask customers if they want the Real ID vs a standard driver's license. Otherwise, most folks would not know about it.

[milwaukeelib33]

65. I Unfortunately Frequent the DMV

Here in in Wisconsin posters have been plastered up for years about Real ID. This smacks of the FCC/ TV signals going digital years ago and all the informational commercials informing people they would need a digital box in addition to their antennas to keep getting over-the-air TV. I believe there is a sizable segment of the population that won't act until it's right in their face no matter how much notice is given

[KY_EnviroGuy]

66. We Americans are complacent about change unless it's something that feels really good, LOL.

You make a good point. I recall getting converter box discount coupons and everyone running to Radio Shack or Walmart to buy one.

Same deal with tRump's tax package. Experts said when it passed the serious negative effects on working folks wouldn't hit until this year or as late as around 2025. Republicans designed it that way.

KY........

[llmart]

72. Some Americans are complacent about change but...

I think for the most part, with laws like this one, Americans are fed up with the changes that are enacted being for bullshit purposes that are mostly political and that cost us money some can't afford.

Does anyone really believe that a star on a license is going to stop terror attacks? Our elections are being attacked by Russia but that's apparently too difficult to deal with so we'll just make our own citizens jump through hoops and shell out money.

[blaze]

69. Do you need to present these documents if you're just renewing your license?

I ask because in Colorado, the star just appeared the last time I renewed my drivers license.

According to this web page ( https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dmv/real-id-and-colorado ) Colorado has been, mostly, compliant since 2012. (Exceptions being, of course, undocumented or temporarily legal immigrants)

I'm wondering how this is all playing out from state to state.

[mainer]

98. Yep, here in Maine we had to show all those documents

My driver's license is current. I just wanted to get a Real-ID compliant card for travel. I had to fulfill the whole shebang.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

100. No. Those are required only if you need a REAL ID-compliant driver's license...

for air travel or to enter federal restricted facilities, such as military bases and nuclear power plants.

At least in KY, one can option to get a standard driver's license or one with a Real ID stamp, depending on your needs.

However, just because in your case the state of Colorado is compliant, that says nothing about how many of its citizens have applied for and received Real ID.

This is why I think this is going to cause massive confusion this fall, as many will be refused access to air flights that have currently valid regular driver's licenses but didn't know they needed this troublesome update just to fly.

Here's a summary from the FAQ section on Kentucky's web site:

The Voluntary Travel ID is optional and serves as one of many acceptable forms of identification accepted by the Transportation Security Administration and military bases. A Voluntary Travel ID offers Kentuckians a single credential to use for multiple purposes, such as passing airport security checkpoints and verifying your identity for purchases. Until federal REAL ID enforcement begins October 1, 2020, current standard driver’s licenses offer the same benefits as a Voluntary Travel ID. Beginning October 1, 2020, a standard driver’s licenses will not be accepted to board domestic flights or to enter restricted federal facilities.

Here is a list of IDs that fly:
​
Any Kentucky Voluntary Travel ID driver’s license, permit or ID
U.S. passport
U.S. passport card
DHS trusted traveler card (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
Permanent resident card
Border crossing card
DHS-designated enhanced driver’s license
Federally recognized, tribal-issued photo ID
HSPD-12 PIV card
Foreign government-issued passport
Canadian provincial driver’s license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card
Transportation worker identification credential (TWIC®)
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential

It appears that veterans can use their military ID card for flying and federal facility access.

KY.........

[blaze]

103. I *do* have a realID drivers license... I never applied for it.

I renewed my license in 2018 and it came with the ID star on it. I didn't have to jump thru any additional loops to get it.

Best I can tell, Colorado residents received a star on their ID upon renewal, starting in 2012.

If you're from out of state, you'll have to bring in all the ID info... like I had to when I got mine the first time.

edit to add: I didn't even know that I had a star until all this talk bubbled to the surface. When I saw the star, I went on line to verify that the star I had was what everyone was talking about.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

106. If I'm understanding you correctly, Colorado has required....

compliance with Real ID for all driver's license applications and renewals since 2012, so everyone has had to bring the documents in even if they just need to drive a car. Is that correct?

From the link you provided, to add to the confusion:

Do I have to get a REAL ID compliant credential?

No, but please note that all Colorado driver licenses and ID cards, except CO-RCSA credentials, have been REAL ID compliant since 2012. Having a REAL ID compliant credential will likely make traveling easier for you. Starting Oct. 1, 2020, your non-compliant credential cannot be used to board flights or enter certain federal facilities, including military bases, nuclear facilities and some federal offices.

It appears then that availability and compliance varies widely between states, adding to the confusion......

[mainer]

99. Same here in Maine

I don't understand why some people on DU are getting their driver's licenses renewed with real ID, without showing additional documents.

[AllaN01Bear]

76. ant that includes all federal buildings , such as social security , etc. needs to be repealled .

[dalton99a]

83. Real ID doesn't apply to Social Security offices, post offices, national parks, etc

Facilities that don't require identification to enter

[AllaN01Bear]

92. thanks for your info

[Dale Neiburg]

78. I got my new driver's license/real ID 2 weeks ago

Needed birth certificate (they wouldn't take the original with DC Health Dept embossed seal, but accepted a much newer card that I could have made myself), Social Security 1099, electric bill and car registration.

Whole process took maybe 1/2 hour (I had an appointment, tho). I was issued a temporary license printed on a sheet of 8.5 x 11 paper and told the actual license would arrive in 7 to 10 business days. It arrived in 3.

[kairos12]

81. Got mine about a year ago.

Here in AZ people keep saying the gubment can't tell them what to do.

[mainer]

93. I just tried to get my real ID driver's license

OMG what a hassle. Even a current driver's license plus valid passport or Global Entry card isn't enough for them. You need TWO different documents with your current address on them, plus your physical Social Security card or evidence you're collecting Social Security payments, or a W-2.

Birth certificates don't help if you're married with a different name. Then you also need to bring your marriage license.

This is harder than getting a damn passport.

The clerk was very sympathetic because lots of people are coming in with loads of documents but they have to keep coming back because there's always something else that's needed. She said she dreads the weeks leading up to October.

[marlakay]

96. Yes I read about it

Have zero idea where my marriage license is, we have moved many times.

I have passport and until that doesn’t work thats what I will use.

Its going to keep a lot of people from flying mostly families with little money. Going to be a mess.

[Captain Stern]

94. Chaos? I doubt it.

Most people really don't fly that much.

People are just waiting until they know they are going to have to fly, to get a real ID. Or, they are just waiting till the next time they have to renew their license to get one.

I lost my wallet, and had to replace my license. The cost to replace it with one that was a real ID was the same as if I'f gotten a duplicate.

It's really no big deal at all.

[mainer]

97. I'm surprised it was so easy. Didn't you have to show your Social Security card?

Plus they wanted me to bring two different proofs of address. My up-to-date and current driver's license wasn't enough. My passport wasn't enough.

And I've lived in this same town for 30 years.

[Captain Stern]

107. That's how it was for me too.

I needed one photo ID for proof of identity, one proof of SS # (ss card, w-2, or pay stub), and two proofs of address (i used my voter reg card, and a power bill).

[samnsara]

101. Seriously, it took hubby and me all of 20 minutes to both get ours.. we already have an enhanced

..drivers license, KTN and passport so this was just added insurance that we can escape the US if we need to.

Get it! Its not like you're going in for a mammogram.....and who knows when trump* will close both borders both ways!

[underpants]

105. Got mine Friday. Took an hour door to door

I haven’t actually received it yet. 7-10 business days