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(10,434 posts)every time I hear about Generals, top-level people or anyone resigning.
They're just getting out of the way of the toadies who won't protest. Has a resignation ever caused someone like MF45 to change something, or does it just open up a slot for a loyalist willing to help out?
Skittles
(153,169 posts)STAY AND FIGHT
OMGWTF
(3,960 posts)If right to be kept right and if wrong to be set right.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Corrupt lawyers in the doj.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)mahina
(17,669 posts)All day every day.
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)By Jove, he's got it!
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)And you did nothing to hold the Bush cabal accountable for the invasion of Iraq (who did not attack us, it was Saudi Arabia) and let the liars and war criminals slide.
rickyhall
(4,889 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Just wow.
kimbutgar
(21,164 posts)Repukes. ( McConnell specifically)
It was also President Obamas decision to not go after Bush. Because he felt the country needed to look forward.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)total capitulation to enabling war criminals and banking corruption. Moscow Mitch is a traitor to this country, but I am more than disappointed that Obama did not call out the obstruction and corruption. And Holder could have prosecuted. Doesn't matter now, we have moved on to new crises (plural).
stillcool
(32,626 posts)the United States government, if the Bush Administration were to face criminal charges. The victims...of the United States Government go back a long ways, and if it were revealed in a court, with evidence, what has gone on, what would they get? A state, or two? And, who would defend the government? Wouldn't the U.S. military be involved in any court case? Who would defend them? And, as for those bankers, it is easy to make what is illegal today, legal tomorrow. Making deals with the devil to avoid Armageddon is a judgement call. I guess it doesn't matter who you blame for the sins of the past...it's just kind of funny that Eric Holder and Barrack Obama were so disappointing, for not fixing all the stuff that has been happening since the 80's.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)a more recent time period. Could go back for most administrations. Not as bloody as the church of England, or were we? Only country to use nukes, for example.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)reading at thirdworldtraveler.com you can get lost in there. So many great writers, and so many topics. At one time I really wanted to understand... Now..not so much.
For example..a little snippet ...
"Since World War Two the United States has attempted to overthrow more than fifty foreign governments, it has dropped bombs on the people of around thirty countries, has attempted to assassinate some sixty foreign leaders, helped to suppress dozens of populist or nationalist movements, has tortured many thousands, and seriously and illegally intervened in one way or another in virtually every country on the planet, in the process of which the U.S. has caused the end of life for several million people, and condemned many millions more to a life of agony and despair."
William Blum, in a speech at the University of Vermont, 2007
Following its bombing of Iraq in 1991, the United States wound up with military bases in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates.
Following its bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999, the United States wound up with military bases in Kosovo, Albania, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Hungary, Bosnia and Croatia.
Following its bombing of Afghanistan in 2001-2, the United States wound up with military bases in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Georgia, Yemen and Djibouti.
Following its bombing and invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States wound up with Iraq.
This is not very subtle foreign policy. Certainly not covert. The men who run the American Empire are not easily embarrassed.
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
CIA Director William Casey (1981-1987)
http://howtheworldreallyworks.info/
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)That assumes of course, that we ever had one beyond "manifest destiny". Thanks for your insights. Here's hoping.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,415 posts)but Congress- even some NIMBY Dems- blocked him from closing the facility and transferring the remaining prisoners. He still managed to re-locate/transfer a lot of them sort of under-the-table from what I remember, though. I actually now sort of wonder what the status is regarding Gitmo. It's been lost under everything going on with Trump.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)And how he experienced America.
You know what - I'm with him? I'm an American - but I'm also a black woman who has black nephews -
https://thinkprogress.org/eric-holders-historic-and-little-noticed-civil-rights-legacy-6a4ea1f6a0c8/
No way Barr or the Keebler Elf or Rosenstein would have gone to Ferguson.
You ain't dealing with no boy - he's a grown assed man. Don't like some of his lack of action - can't disagree.
But let's not dismiss what he did there. And I very much look forward to an A.G. Kamala Harris.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)And it did not happen.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,415 posts)but you can't "just prosecute" people unless you have a specific crime to charge them with, which is exactly a legal power we do NOT want a President to have (especially since we have somebody like Trump at the helm). I can't speak as to whether or not DOJ opened some investigations or not but, obviously, there were a lot of serious and pressing concerns facing President Obama when he took office and it probably was hard to focus on everything all at once.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)and Congress. You know, the files of which were shown to a few in the Senate and then never saw the light of day. Yeah, it's hard to prosecute when your government is so corrupt that official repots are buried. I guess we just pass. There is no forgiveness for lying to the world about a country that did not attack us and covering for the one that did. Obama let it all slide.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)My nephew works at Goldman Sachs and is 3 years away from his dream of a VC firm catering to black innovators.
My Governor - the Amazing Phil Murphy who took down the Mississippi State flag at Liberty Island Park - is an alumni of Goldman Sachs.
Not all banksters are evil. They can use profit to make statements.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)about how dangerous and serious the situation is right now. I hope the rest stay since we need them but we also needed this warning about the current status of the DOJ.
soldierant
(6,890 posts)and it's tough to be in a situation where your conscience tells you you cannot be a part of something, but it also tells you you must stay and fight it. As desperately as we need strong, principled people to stay in there, not everyone is cut out for that. Any principled person in the DOJ has my respect whichever they feel they must do.
BigOleDummy
(2,271 posts)And well said
soldierant
(6,890 posts)TNNurse
(6,927 posts)I understand them wanting to leave, but the people who might take their place are scary.
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)-Not a bad legacy but like most efforts of human beings, mixed
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)I'm not conservative but I get sick of the whining. You have an administration now that is doing its damnest to reverse all these gains and they have been. At a whim the now President get a new AG that kiss' his ass. Holder has been out on the front lines of voting rights, and getting people elected who have been hindered by unfair gerrymandering. And he is still out there banging away at Barr. It would be nice if all the bankers went away, we could go back to sea shells. All the gains of the kumbaya sessions in the park have slid or a sliding away under Trump. sigh..............
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I thank him for doing what he could to make sure I can vote - and my family members in southern states could vote.
VOTING RIGHTS Mr. Holder successfully fought discriminatory voting restrictions around the country before the 2012 elections. When the Supreme Court gutted the core of the Voting Rights Act in 2013, he was quick to find new ways to challenge discriminatory laws. Shortly after the ruling, the Justice Department joined lawsuits challenging new restrictions like strict voter-ID requirements and cutbacks to voting hours in North Carolina and Texas. In both states, Republican-controlled legislatures imposed rules that most heavily burden poorer and minority voters, who tend to vote Democratic.
The history of this nation has always been to try to expand the franchise, Mr. Holder told The New Yorker in February. Weve always found ways in which weve made the voting process more inclusive. What these folks are intending to do, or certainly the impact of what theyre going to do, is to turn their backs on that history.
Karadeniz
(22,540 posts)reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... But when they are ordered to do something unethical or corrupt, that is their only remaining alternative.
soldierant
(6,890 posts)not_the_one
(2,227 posts)Whistle blowers should not worry about their identity being exposed. They should be proud. Out front, leading the way. They are the heroes.
Our current democratic leaders need to make sure that they (the whistleblowers) and everyone like them, know that we have their backs.
They need to know that if they are punished for doing the right thing, once the turd and all his little turdlettes are flushed (and the rest are in jail), the democratic administration will reinstate them, give them back the positions they have been fired from, REINSTATE THEIR PENSION/BENEFITS, everything. They need to know that we are going to undo everything that POS has done. He is MAD (LITERALLY) about how much Obama is loved. (ALL for that goddamn, motherfucking JOKE at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.)
Yes, they will suffer all sorts of indignities, threats from the fascist's followers. We will honor them for doing so.
Sometimes, no matter the consequences, you have to do the right thing. I can only hope that I would be so brave.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,626 posts)Vivienne235729
(3,384 posts)These are trying times and I can't imagine working and stomaching this level of crazy toxicity.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)Just_Vote_Dem
(2,808 posts)If all the people with conscience leave, then only toadies/the wretched remain. Gotta fight the good fight.