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Jade Fox

(10,030 posts)
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:11 PM Feb 2020

Will there come a tipping point when enough people have been fired, lied about, insulted

and laws been broken that even cowards (like the GOP senators) feel enough safety in numbers to publicly turn against Trump? Will it happen in time?


An 'Achilles Heel' for Trump is his belief he can get away with his crap indefinitely. That has been his experience in life when only small numbers of people were affected by him. Now things are very different. He's literally affecting everyone on the planet.



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Will there come a tipping point when enough people have been fired, lied about, insulted (Original Post) Jade Fox Feb 2020 OP
I'm hoping on November 3rd texasfiddler Feb 2020 #1
I can see them turning on him if the polls Phoenix61 Feb 2020 #2
If there was, it would have come already. maxsolomon Feb 2020 #3
But it isn't just America a stake...... Jade Fox Feb 2020 #7
I wish you were correct. maxsolomon Feb 2020 #9
His followers will never even no about it because Fox news will patricia92243 Feb 2020 #4
The MAGA hats will never change..... Jade Fox Feb 2020 #8
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2020 #10
The tipping point has passed. We are there. Some Republicans to save themselves will Stuart G Feb 2020 #5
But more and more of those disloyal to Trump are getting Trumped on every day.... Jade Fox Feb 2020 #11
No. What's happening is what Susan Collins wants ibegurpard Feb 2020 #13
Revisiting Martin Niemöller Brother Buzz Feb 2020 #6
For Republicans? ibegurpard Feb 2020 #12
There are never enough lies for these people, as you know. skip fox Feb 2020 #14

Phoenix61

(17,013 posts)
2. I can see them turning on him if the polls
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:21 PM
Feb 2020

show the Dem candidate will be the winner with a wide margin. At that point there’s no reason for them to suck up to Twitler and every reason to try and play nice just before the Dems take over.

maxsolomon

(33,370 posts)
3. If there was, it would have come already.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 06:26 PM
Feb 2020

So, no. This is the way America works now.

We're not special; we're subject to creeping Authoritarianism like every other nation.

Jade Fox

(10,030 posts)
7. But it isn't just America a stake......
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:57 PM
Feb 2020

It is literally the whole world being affected by Trump.

Despite what the MAGA hats imagine the USA cannot function in a vacuum, or bully the whole planet. We no longer live in that kind of world. Climate change alone will unite us whether we want it to or not.

maxsolomon

(33,370 posts)
9. I wish you were correct.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:15 PM
Feb 2020

I no longer believe that ACC will reach a crisis point that makes the US government act selflessly in concert with other nations; Trump has made me a cynic.

As long as Republicans and their noise machines exist, the water will get hotter and hotter but the frog won't jump out.

Denial propaganda has poisoned the brains of multiple generations that must die off first, Boomers being the primary problem, and I'm a late Boomer.

Jade Fox

(10,030 posts)
8. The MAGA hats will never change.....
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:15 PM
Feb 2020

They're in the grip of a cult.

But there are many conservatives and a fair number of Republicans who know that a monster has been impowered, and that the USA has entered dangerous grounds. Their articles and statements have been posted on this website. Those are the courageous ones we have already heard from. There are bound to be more out there, less courageous, waiting for the safety of numbers to step up whether they are aware of it or not.

Hell, even at Fox a few have spoken out.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
5. The tipping point has passed. We are there. Some Republicans to save themselves will
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:19 PM
Feb 2020

now stand up to Trump. They are much too late.

Jade Fox

(10,030 posts)
11. But more and more of those disloyal to Trump are getting Trumped on every day....
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:43 PM
Feb 2020

And Trump believes he can continue that indefiniely.

If Trump had been smart and cleaned up his act for awhile after the Senate aquittal, he would be much more dangerous. But he did just what we all predicted and pulled out all the stops in his outrageous, vengeful, illegal behavior.

Now people like Susan Collins are seeing the reality of what they have done, and I think the light must be going on for others as well.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
13. No. What's happening is what Susan Collins wants
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:46 PM
Feb 2020

There can be no other explanation. What she says is a lie to cover up her actions.

Brother Buzz

(36,456 posts)
6. Revisiting Martin Niemöller
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 07:30 PM
Feb 2020

First he came for @comey, and I said nothing because I was mad at @comeybecause of the Clinton email investigation and I blamed him for Trump’s election.

Then he came for Andy McCabe and I said nothing because there was this inspector general report that said McCabe lacked candor.

Then he came for Jim Baker and I said nothing because I had never heard of Jim Baker and the FBI director is entitled to his own leadership team anyway.

Then he came for @NatSecLisa and @petestrzok and I said nothing because they sent text messages and the president and Fox News kept reminding me that they had an affair.

Then he came for Bruce Ohr and I said nothing because that one was so deep in the weeds that it made my head hurt and maybe Bruce Ohr shouldn’t have been doing what he was doing anyway.

Then he came for Jeff Sessions and I said nothing because, s***, he was Jeff F***ing Sessions and it actually took Donald Trump to discover the one or two honorable bones in his body.

Then he came for Sir @KimDarroch, and I said nothing because he’s a British government official and I have no dog in a fight over how the UK staffs its embassies.

Then he came for Masha Yovanovich and I said nothing because ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the president and he can remove ambassadors for any reason or no reason at all.

And then he came for Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and his brother, Evgeny Vindman, and I said nothing—because I was used to it.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
12. For Republicans?
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:45 PM
Feb 2020

No. We've seen the extent of their resistance. What is happening is what they want. No matter what they might say differently.

skip fox

(19,359 posts)
14. There are never enough lies for these people, as you know.
Wed Feb 12, 2020, 08:50 PM
Feb 2020

I see no signs of Republicans in the Congress or Senate, and increasingly few at the DOJ, growing a conscience. Actually we see the opposite tread of former Never-Trumpers and others ignoring their consciences more and more every month.

That is, I don't think the Republicans will stop him. It's up to us Democrats along with indigent independents to stare this sh*t in the eye."

The question is: Will we be able to do so when the time comes (and the Republicans are even more entrenched in their opposition to truth and decency.)

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