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Lindsey Graham Implicates William Barr in Massive Scandal, on Live Television
By Jonathan Chait
Yesterday, Senator Lindsey Graham appeared on Face the Nation and blurted out an apparent confession of what, if true, would be a scandal of Nixonian proportions. Graham reported he had spoken with Attorney General William Barr that morning. The Department of Justice is receiving information coming out of the Ukraine from Rudy, he reported, explaining that Barr told me that theyve created a process that Rudy could give information and they would see if its verified.
Graham explained why, in his opinion, this state of affairs is appropriate: Rudy Giuliani is a well-known man. Hes a crime fighter. Hes loyal to the president. Hes a good lawyer. On the contrary, he is describing an arrangement that is not only the appearance of a conflict of interest but a massive abuse on its face.
First, Giuliani is not a government official. He is representing Donald Trump as an individual, a fact he has made perfectly clear. He boasted to the New York Times last May that he was seeking to uncover information will be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government. The distinction between will and may was Rudys open acknowledgement that he was looking out for Trump, not the U.S. government, and that the interests of the two might not be the same. He was even more clear in a letter to Ukrainian President Zelensky, which his former partner, Lev Parnas, produced. The letter stated Giuliani was representing Trump as a private citizen, not as President of the United States:
So, can any private citizen have their lawyer send allegations to Barr? What is this special process he created to let Rudy supply him with allegations? Is it a 1-800 number, a drop box, or what? Has Barr told the Democratic candidates how the process works so they can have their lawyers feed their own leads to him?
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The second problem here is that Giuliani is not only representing a presidential candidate as his personal client. He is working in close contact with foreign partners who have a combination of personal interests and foreign-policy goals that do not line up with U.S. interests. He has not disclosed who is paying him for his work, but he was paid half a million dollars by Parnas, who was in turn paid by Dymtro Firtash, a Russian oligarch whose work tends to advance Russian foreign-policy interests. This raises the strong possibility that Giuliani is effectively a paid backchannel for Russian propaganda, and he now has a special line into the Department of Justice.
Third, Giuliani himself is the reported subject of a criminal investigation. Two of his partners have already been arrested, and the Department of Justice is reportedly pursuing the possibility of charges against Giuliani as well. (He allegedly pursued his own profit-making scheme in Ukraine, and seems to have committed campaign finance violations, by funneling foreign donations to Republican allies.)
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BSdetect
(8,999 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)And Rudy WAS a crimefighter. Now he's an accomplice.
DENVERPOPS
(8,847 posts)CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)erronis
(15,371 posts)Leave the Democrats with the mess to clean up.
Lie [stet] low for a cycle and then rinse/lather, repeat.
Meanwhile the moneybags funding these exercises are stealing from the treasury.
pandr32
(11,625 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)pandr32
(11,625 posts)patphil
(6,225 posts)Rudy will be passing his information to Bill Barr via clandestine meetings in an undisclosed parking garage outside Washington DC.
Rudy, undercover name is "deep tongue".
good one
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)burrowowl
(17,653 posts)BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,445 posts)But thank goodness Trump didn't get removed from the ballot! THAT would have been horrible- per Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski
BusyBeingBest
(8,059 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,445 posts)to issue forth their proclamations of "concern"
Takket
(21,639 posts)OOPS
mountain grammy
(26,656 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,343 posts)under this regime.
joost5
(421 posts)Winning back the Presidency and Senate is a must.
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)In fact, Barr went on a world tour in search of shit on Ukraine, and the Bidens. The U.S.s Attorney General is entirely a political arm of the Trumpass re-election campaign
lame54
(35,328 posts)Duppers
(28,127 posts)We've known this.
Docreed2003
(16,878 posts)I expect only much worse things to follow.
Martin Eden
(12,876 posts)AG Barr is a high ranking goon in the operation.
Republicans in Congress are co-opted the way Al Capone paid off or intimidated corrupt city officials.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Rider3
(919 posts)Really? Because Trump's impeachment counts were much worse than whatever Nixon ever did. Nixon's actions were child's play. Trump's are so far beyond being corrupt -- in the open, no less -- that it well surpasses anything Nixon ever did.
burrowowl
(17,653 posts)and at least Nixon didn't shred the Constitution.
Trump et al are gangsters run amok!
Lucky Luciano
(11,262 posts)paparush
(7,964 posts)MFer is basically a shadow state department operating without oversight.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)jmowreader
(50,566 posts)He was, however, a prosecutor.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)jmowreader
(50,566 posts)I can see why Trump likes the guy: he "cleaned up New York City" by turning it into a police state.
calimary
(81,521 posts)For future investigations.
bluestarone
(17,062 posts)The WHOLE (except Romney) Rethuglicon senate is covering their ASS'S! That's the BIG difference WE have to change in NOVEMBER!!!
liberalla
(9,266 posts)Drump is really bad at everything, including crime. So clumsy and obvious. Too emotional and impulsive. Like Rick Wilson says, everything drump touches dies.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)liberalla
(9,266 posts)Something big, bad and convoluted. They have to fabricate/coordinate supporting fake documents and phony evidence. Maybe deep fake videos... They're not looking for dirt, they're creating it. I expect them to be first rate forgeries. They are playing for all the marbles.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,047 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)I never realized the entire DoJ had zero patriots in it.
TeamPooka
(24,262 posts)Need to find out who is paying Rudy
Because its not trump
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)maxsolomon
(33,419 posts)This is just (further) confirmation. The POTUS is coordinating a disinformation campaign with the GRU and the Rooshin Mob. The AG is either abetting it or humoring President Asshole and his senile, gullible "lawyer".
The DOJ is corrupted and compromised. Nothing will be done until Trump is gone.
usaf-vet
(6,215 posts)So I have a question for Suzy Collins so is this what you think is learning his lesson. Trump, Giuliani, Ukraine, and Bidens. What has changed? Nothing!
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Hang the lot of them slow upside down with mirrors surrounding them, oh what a fitting end for these evil faux!
Record every second of it, full confessors may get a reprieve but those noose marks, they last, how deep will yours go Moscow Mitch, that's one hell of a pouch, sir!
*kaplooooey*
What a dream I had, eh?
The brazenness is what is different now, it's not your imagination.
volstork
(5,403 posts)MFers to go to jail.
sellitman
(11,607 posts)By today's GOP standards this isn't even newsworthy.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)reACTIONary
(5,788 posts)PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)riversedge
(70,322 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)prosecutions sentences they want.