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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:08 AM Feb 2020

Salt Lake Tribune Ed Board: "All Utahns, all Americans, regardless of politics...should be impressed

Salt Lake Tribune Ed Board: "All Utahns, all Americans, regardless of politics ... should be duly impressed with Romney's decision to follow his heart and his conscience — and his God — in doing the right thing when doing the right thing was difficult."


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https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/editorial/2020/02/05/tribune-editorial-mitt/
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Salt Lake Tribune Ed Board: "All Utahns, all Americans, regardless of politics...should be impressed (Original Post) kpete Feb 2020 OP
K and R Tribune Editorial shows a "Profile in Courage" Stuart G Feb 2020 #1
what i keep tripping over barbtries Feb 2020 #2
✔️ blm Feb 2020 #4
Yes, but, unfortunately, when common valor has become an uncommon virtue... califootman Feb 2020 #12
Beautifully put. calimary Feb 2020 #32
I know PatSeg Feb 2020 #18
I agree. Scarsdale Feb 2020 #23
They all act like PatSeg Feb 2020 #27
Totally Agree PS DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #28
Yes, scary thought PatSeg Feb 2020 #33
Agree DENVERPOPS Feb 2020 #35
If we were a better educated nation PatSeg Feb 2020 #36
I agree with you h2ebits Feb 2020 #22
i do label them traitors barbtries Feb 2020 #26
But that is where we are pandr32 Feb 2020 #30
Yes, but... Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #38
i get that. barbtries Feb 2020 #41
It sure feels that way. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2020 #42
Meh. He did half of the right thing. Big whup. Coventina Feb 2020 #3
Right, you are correct. Perseus Feb 2020 #11
There is that. calimary Feb 2020 #34
Indeed. Laelth Feb 2020 #5
I decided to send a simple thank you to Senator Romney for doing the right thing. Lonestarblue Feb 2020 #6
Or just to not receive the threats. ...nt 2naSalit Feb 2020 #9
I did the same thing, but my message seemed to have gone through. smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #14
Trump's vindictive nature greymattermom Feb 2020 #7
The Rs are always trying to rat***k Dems so why DeminPennswoods Feb 2020 #43
Trump said he did not like people who used prayer to justify doing the wrong thing. kentuck Feb 2020 #8
Doing the right thing is not difficult, doing the wrong thing is Perseus Feb 2020 #10
Sorry but deciding to side with truth when it's convenient defacto7 Feb 2020 #13
I think it took a lot of courage, knowing the kind of blowback he would get from his party smirkymonkey Feb 2020 #15
I understand. But the blowback is because he sided with them in the first place. defacto7 Feb 2020 #17
Far more useful to the US and Dems as a republicon empedocles Feb 2020 #29
Well, it would be nice to see Trump lose Utah. PatrickforO Feb 2020 #16
As Romeny said, when he was sworn in as juror he took oath to God to be impartial juror. He did iluvtennis Feb 2020 #19
By Implicantion, This Is A Slap At Mike Lee Too n/t DallasNE Feb 2020 #20
Following his heart and conscience should be enough. dugog55 Feb 2020 #21
To them it is a sin to covet honor--Romney is their most offending soul Ponietz Feb 2020 #24
It's almost as though this was planned this way. ffr Feb 2020 #25
Agreed. We know his ambitions continue to drive him Pluvious Feb 2020 #31
problem is, the RIGHT THING should not have been difficult - FOR ANYONE Skittles Feb 2020 #37
Republicans are pulling out all the stops to quash any praise of Romney EleanorR Feb 2020 #39
yay! Isn't that special. We the People are so screwed; the bar has been so lowered, jmg257 Feb 2020 #40

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
2. what i keep tripping over
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:17 AM
Feb 2020

is how far we've fallen that just doing the right thing, just having a conscience, makes a person a hero. that should be the default.

califootman

(120 posts)
12. Yes, but, unfortunately, when common valor has become an uncommon virtue...
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:17 AM
Feb 2020

...it must and should be celebrated in those places and people where it can be found.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
18. I know
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:39 AM
Feb 2020

Being honest and doing the right thing should not be some big act of courage, it should be normal.

That said, I still give Romney credit for rising above his republican colleagues, who know the truth and still refuse to do the right thing. It will not be forgotten.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
23. I agree.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:22 PM
Feb 2020

However, when these politicians run for office, they pledge to do the right thing for their constituents, the people who vote for them. Surely we should expect them to do just that? They cannot honestly think that tRump is a good president, doing what is best for the country. This presidency "thing" is the best gig tRump has had in his entire life. He is treated like a king, so he thinks that is what he is. The gop had a chance to knock him off that throne, and did not. He is not even a passably competent human being. He is the biggest fraud who ever walked into the WH. The entire gop KNOWS this, yet still stand by him. I hope they are polishing their resume ready for when their cushy jobs are taken from them by a politician who WILL do the right thing. Namely a DEMOCRATIC contender.

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
27. They all act like
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:37 PM
Feb 2020

Trump is holding a beloved family member hostage and they must lie and cheat to protect their life. But in reality, they are protecting a job and being most of them are well off financially, it is a job they don't even need. I'm sure some of them are being blackmailed, i.e. Lindsay Graham, but the rest are acting out of fear of losing their political office, which most of them will probably lose anyway.

Talk about Profiles in Cowardice. It is both disgusting and embarrassing to watch.

By the way, behind closed doors almost all of them hate Trump and believe everything Democrats accuse him of.

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
28. Totally Agree PS
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:48 PM
Feb 2020

They are, by far, THE most thoroughly corrupt political party in the history of our nation..........

If they survive, will we.....?????

PatSeg

(47,501 posts)
33. Yes, scary thought
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 01:10 PM
Feb 2020

If they do, I think it will be the end of our democracy.

In the midst of all this, I am inclined to see a possible silver lining. Perhaps this is what the country needed to rid us of this corrupt party, at least this version of it. This might destroy the republican party or at least cause it to purge itself and rebuild. Many of the corporate owned politicians will finally have to retire and it might take awhile before a newer version of the party becomes so compromised, well hopefully.

Of course, in darker moments, I fear we are reliving 1930s Germany.

h2ebits

(644 posts)
22. I agree with you
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:18 PM
Feb 2020

Mitt Romney actually did not take a risk doing this. The people of Utah voted him into office and he is deep in the Mormon church. He is also very wealthy--made that way by buying up businesses, stripping them of assets, laying off people, and declaring bankruptcy on the businesses. Wash, rinse, repeat. (Bain Capital)

I think his dirty laundry has been aired enough in public that he has nothing Trump could hold over his head. Romney is not afraid of Trump.

He is not a hero in my eyes. I'm glad that he decided on the merits of the information he had but really, Trump should be removed from office. The rest of the Republicans in office should be labeled as traitors undermining democracy and our Constitution for their own personal gain rather than lauding Romney.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
30. But that is where we are
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:50 PM
Feb 2020

...so let's celebrate whatever humanity is shown against the sea of inhumanity, ignorance, and fascism.

Startling that this is us...America today.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
38. Yes, but...
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 08:59 AM
Feb 2020

At the moment, we can do the right thing knowing we're going to be lauded and have support from the people we most identify with. That shouldn't matter, but it can and does. Doing the right thing when your "in-group" is going to turn on you like a bunch of starved jackals can take courage. Especially when your "in-group" sees group loyalty as a serious moral issue.

There are likely lots of people on the right (conservative/authoritarian) who view Romney's betrayal as a more egregious violation of their moral foundation than Trump's horrific behavior. Makes no sense to rational compassionate people like us, but that is how they think.

It's why Republicans circle the wagon when one of their own fucks up, but Democrats leap to expel when one of theirs does. Group loyalty is simply not felt as morally significant as issues such as fairness to those with more liberal political beliefs.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
41. i get that.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:11 AM
Feb 2020

and i did praise Romney and Collins.
but still I trip, because it is symptomatic of an overall slide. we are devolving, regressing, getting worse.

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
42. It sure feels that way.
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:28 AM
Feb 2020

I have to have hope the pendulum is beginning to swing the other way. If I don't, I'll drink myself to death.

Lonestarblue

(10,011 posts)
6. I decided to send a simple thank you to Senator Romney for doing the right thing.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:49 AM
Feb 2020

This may be coincidence, but the message would not send because the site is “down for maintenance.” Given the evil of Trump and his trolls, I suspect it’s down as punishment for his vote.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
14. I did the same thing, but my message seemed to have gone through.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:24 AM
Feb 2020

At least I hope it did. Said "message sent". I am sure the miserable deplorable trolls were out in full force with their ugly threats.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
7. Trump's vindictive nature
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:05 AM
Feb 2020

and his attempts to punish Romney won't go over well in Utah. This could be interesting.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
43. The Rs are always trying to rat***k Dems so why
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 10:28 AM
Feb 2020

don't Utah Dems work with Weld to get his name on the ballot there as in independent? Looks like Dems are around 30% of Utah voters, Weld would give the Utah Rs who won't vote for a Dem, but don't like Trump a place to go. If Weld could take Utah, makes a possible Trump path to victory that much harder.

There are other western "red states" with large LDS populations where that strategy might work, too, like Idaho for ex.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
8. Trump said he did not like people who used prayer to justify doing the wrong thing.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:07 AM
Feb 2020

can't you see? It's all a hoax.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
10. Doing the right thing is not difficult, doing the wrong thing is
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:10 AM
Feb 2020

These people place so much weight on their political careers, they miss the point that they are there to serve the country, to be truthful, to be honest, to allow themselves to be guided by their principles, when a person follows those guidelines then being truthful is the easiest thing in the World.

When you lie, when you go against your principles, when you know you did the wrong thing you cannot sleep, you carry that weight on your shoulders every day. People like Rush Limbaugh have lived a life of wrong, I never believe he believed in everything he said and did, he has no principles and he did what brought him money, and now that weight is ending his life.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
13. Sorry but deciding to side with truth when it's convenient
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:23 AM
Feb 2020

does not make it for me. Even if genuine all he did was raise himself to half of normal. That's nothing exceptional.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
15. I think it took a lot of courage, knowing the kind of blowback he would get from his party
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:29 AM
Feb 2020

and their pack of deplorables. I admire his integrity.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
17. I understand. But the blowback is because he sided with them in the first place.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:38 AM
Feb 2020

If he leaves the GOP, I'll think about it.

iluvtennis

(19,863 posts)
19. As Romeny said, when he was sworn in as juror he took oath to God to be impartial juror. He did
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:46 AM
Feb 2020

his duty as a juror and listenened to the evidence and rendered a verdict. The rest of the GOP just did jury nullufication where a jury disregards the evidence and votes the way they wann to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

dugog55

(296 posts)
21. Following his heart and conscience should be enough.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:12 PM
Feb 2020

No use in dragging God into it. If God gave a damn about anything happening on this planet, he would have stepped in by now. He supposedly left the stewardship of earth to us people. We have been hell bent on ruining it for a thousand years. Mass genocides in his name, raping and pillaging the planet for precious metals and minerals, and wiping out entire species for pleasure or greed. And the God the GOP is always hiding behind, would turn his back on them, if he cared, or even existed.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
25. It's almost as though this was planned this way.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:31 PM
Feb 2020

To give the GOP a platform for their next mainstream presidential candidate. Except that underneath it all, you'll get the GOP agenda and more hardship.

Call me skeptical.

Pluvious

(4,313 posts)
31. Agreed. We know his ambitions continue to drive him
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:56 PM
Feb 2020

He's smart and knows the likelihood of Don the Con eventually becoming a pariah (like Bush, McCarthy, etc) and those of its ilk (rest of the GOP worms).

The Cult45 will one day be an embarrassing blip in history, with new villains to scorn and use as object lessons.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
37. problem is, the RIGHT THING should not have been difficult - FOR ANYONE
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:21 PM
Feb 2020

this is all just so damned depressing

EleanorR

(2,393 posts)
39. Republicans are pulling out all the stops to quash any praise of Romney
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:30 AM
Feb 2020

They are absolutely livid that people might praise his integrity in this situation and see him as a hero. His vote exposed the absolute cowardice and lack of moral compass of his fellow republicans, and that is wonderful.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
40. yay! Isn't that special. We the People are so screwed; the bar has been so lowered,
Fri Feb 7, 2020, 09:49 AM
Feb 2020

that a politician voting what he thinks is right instead of voting party lines is super impressive.

Reminds me of when there is a blackout, and the populace gets applauded because they don't go crazy and eat each other.

Very depressing that this is where we are with our govt.

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