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Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:51 AM Feb 2020

An Unsettling New Theory: There Is No Swing Voter (Rachel Bitecofer)

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/02/06/rachel-bitecofer-profile-election-forecasting-new-theory-108944

Rachel Bitecofer’s radical new theory predicted the midterms spot-on. So who’s going to win 2020?

By DAVID FREEDLANDER

02/06/2020 05:09 AM EST

What if everything you think you know about politics is wrong? What if there aren’t really American swing voters—or not enough, anyway, to pick the next president? What if it doesn’t matter much who the Democratic nominee is? What if there is no such thing as “the center,” and the party in power can govern however it wants for two years, because the results of that first midterm are going to be bad regardless? What if the Democrats' big 41-seat midterm victory in 2018 didn’t happen because candidates focused on health care and kitchen-table issues, but simply because they were running against the party in the White House? What if the outcome in 2020 is pretty much foreordained, too?

To the political scientist Rachel Bitecofer, all of that is almost certainly true, and that has made her one of the most intriguing new figures in political forecasting this year.

Bitecofer, a 42-year-old professor at Christopher Newport University in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia, was little known in the extremely online, extremely male-dominated world of political forecasting until November 2018. That’s when she nailed almost to the number the nature and size of the Democrats’ win in the House, even as other forecasters went wobbly in the race’s final days. Not only that, but she put out her forecast back in July, and then stuck by it while polling shifted throughout the summer and fall.

And today her model tells her the Democrats are a near lock for the presidency in 2020, and are likely to gain House seats and have a decent shot at retaking the Senate. If she’s right, we are now in a post-economy, post-incumbency, post record-while-in-office era of politics. Her analysis, as Bitecofer puts it with characteristic immodesty, amounts to nothing less than “flipping giant paradigms of electoral theory upside down.”

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Excellent read & I recommend following Rachel on Twitter @RachelBitecofer
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An Unsettling New Theory: There Is No Swing Voter (Rachel Bitecofer) (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 OP
The Bitecofer theory is indeed a paradigm shift, and Dems ignore it at their peril Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #1
The Dems are starting to do much better in state legislature races - taking statehouses Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #2
Who would be better at inspiring "massive anti-Trump voter turnout? Wednesdays Feb 2020 #12
All our top candidates can beat Trump, but some will inspire greater turnout than others nt Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #22
I think she is onto something. apcalc Feb 2020 #3
I agree Bettie Feb 2020 #4
Greg Palast JudyM Feb 2020 #25
I like her take on the concept of swing voters: the "Chuck Todd theory of American politics" Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #7
Agree! Spot on! apcalc Feb 2020 #13
In your face, Chuck Todd!! Yavin4 Feb 2020 #17
This is the key MoonlitKnight Feb 2020 #21
+1 truth! bronxiteforever Feb 2020 #26
Her nameplate is amazing (nt) Recursion Feb 2020 #5
Quite epic! Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #6
+1 apcalc Feb 2020 #14
This is way cool (inspired by Rachel Maddow on Air America to get her doctorate) Dennis Donovan Feb 2020 #8
The amazing legacy of Air America grows larger and larger every day. Yavin4 Feb 2020 #18
I mostly agree with her. Laelth Feb 2020 #9
Just looking at the Dems in my family... N_E_1 for Tennis Feb 2020 #10
Kick dalton99a Feb 2020 #11
Inspire the youth; us old folks are gonna be there regardless Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2020 #30
I agree with her analysis NewJeffCT Feb 2020 #15
This is hardly new information mercuryblues Feb 2020 #16
These models are interesting, but ultimately, national elections happen far too infrequently Azathoth Feb 2020 #19
I've long believed this fescuerescue Feb 2020 #20
Obama could help too treestar Feb 2020 #24
I especially like the change in emphasis on "swing" voters... Wounded Bear Feb 2020 #23
Rec Ponietz Feb 2020 #27
I live 30 miles away and I still haven't heard of her.... Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #28
Did they vote for Trump, or just not vote? leftstreet Feb 2020 #31
Didn't see anything in the article that dealt with Obama's 26 seat House gain empedocles Feb 2020 #29
I like her prediction, but I doubt - OhZone Feb 2020 #32
We MUST win the SENATE to repair the significant damage done to our Republic underthematrix Feb 2020 #33
Kick Roland99 Feb 2020 #34

Fiendish Thingy

(15,624 posts)
1. The Bitecofer theory is indeed a paradigm shift, and Dems ignore it at their peril
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 09:58 AM
Feb 2020

Rather than focusing on pragmatic centrism, the nominee needs to inspire massive anti-Trump voter turnout.

That’s also why Stacey Abrams’ Fair Fight movement is so important...

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
2. The Dems are starting to do much better in state legislature races - taking statehouses
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:03 AM
Feb 2020

Very important in redistricting (and undoing all the damage DeLay did in the late 90's-early 2000's).

I just hope the census isn't fucked with too badly by Trump.

Wednesdays

(17,380 posts)
12. Who would be better at inspiring "massive anti-Trump voter turnout?
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:10 AM
Feb 2020


Near as I can tell, they're all equally capable of doing that.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
3. I think she is onto something.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:04 AM
Feb 2020

I’m sick of the talking heads anyway , who demonstrate little original thinking and , imo, want to maintain the status quo for their status and their wallets.

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
4. I agree
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:18 AM
Feb 2020

Turnout really is everything.

And that means we have to redouble our efforts to combat voter suppression.

JudyM

(29,251 posts)
25. Greg Palast
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:15 PM
Feb 2020

Greg Palast is working with Stacy Abrams to attack the voter purging... great investigative reporting on this since Shrub-Florida and trying to go full bore now ahead of November. Good cause to donate to.

He has a name-search list of people in 7 states with voter purges, worth checking out and sharing
https://www.gregpalast.com/

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
7. I like her take on the concept of swing voters: the "Chuck Todd theory of American politics"
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:38 AM
Feb 2020

From the same article:

The classic view is that the pool of American voters is basically fixed: About 55 percent of eligible voters are likely to go to the polls, and the winner is determined by the 15 percent or so of “swing voters” who flit between the parties. So a general election campaign amounts to a long effort to pull those voters in to your side.

Bitecofer has a nickname for this view. She calls it, with disdain, the “Chuck Todd theory of American politics”: “The idea that there is this informed, engaged American population that is watching these political events and watching their elected leaders and assessing their behavior and making a judgment.”

“And it is just not true.”


Nailed it!

Dennis Donovan

(18,770 posts)
8. This is way cool (inspired by Rachel Maddow on Air America to get her doctorate)
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:47 AM
Feb 2020
She was something of an outsider from the start; she had grown up a Navy brat, mostly in the D.C. area, and spent her youth following the Grateful Dead and Widespread Panic, reading The New York Times in the parking lot between shows. She was living in Eugene, Oregon, a single mom at a dead-end administrative job at a Republican polling firm, when she heard Rachel Maddow on Air America mention her doctorate in political science.

“I was like, ‘Wait, you can study politics?’” she says. She enrolled in community college, then the University of Oregon, then on to the University of Georgia for a Ph.D., and was soon hired by Christopher Newport University to work in its public-policy division. (She has since been hired away by the Niskanen Center, a centrist think tank based in Washington, D.C., while maintaining her academic post.)


Yavin4

(35,442 posts)
18. The amazing legacy of Air America grows larger and larger every day.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:31 AM
Feb 2020

That little unknown radio station has had a massive impact on our culture and media.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
9. I mostly agree with her.
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 10:55 AM
Feb 2020

Trump was elected President and has both governed and campaigned as if the author's premise is true. He talks to his base only. He does not appeal to the alleged "middle" of the electorate.

This idea is neither new nor radical.

-Laelth

dalton99a

(81,516 posts)
11. Kick
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:09 AM
Feb 2020
But still, the results bore out her theory: For Democrats to win, they need to fire up Democratic-minded voters. The Blue Dogs who tried to narrow the difference between themselves and Trump did worse, overall, than the Stacey Abramses and Beto O’Rourkes, whose progressive ideas and inspirational campaigns drove turnout in their own parties and brought them to the cusp of victory.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,355 posts)
30. Inspire the youth; us old folks are gonna be there regardless
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 06:00 PM
Feb 2020

Who and what are the young people (18 - 35) enthused about?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
15. I agree with her analysis
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:26 AM
Feb 2020

yes, some areas swung from Obama to Trump by big margins between 2012 and 2016. That doesn't necessarily mean it was swing voters changing from a Democrat to a Republican - it was because the Obama voters in that town or that county from 2012 didn't vote in 2016 or voted 3rd party in 2016, and the Republicans that stayed hom in 2012 came out to vote in 2016.

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
16. This is hardly new information
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:26 AM
Feb 2020

I read a breakdown of actual Independents years ago. In that article most I voters leaned toward 1 party or another and voted that way. It was that 10% in the middle that candidates tried to win over.

An updated article showing a slight shift of those who are registered I voters. This article has it down to 7% that candidates vie for. The article also states that those 7% are the least politically engaged of all I voters.


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/15/facts-about-us-political-independents/

Azathoth

(4,610 posts)
19. These models are interesting, but ultimately, national elections happen far too infrequently
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:33 AM
Feb 2020

for big picture models to have serious statistical predictive value (they have explanatory value in hindsight, but that's a different subject). Modeling works best when you're calculating expected values of an experiment you run often. Howeverm you end up with all kinds of subtle errors when you try to apply them to once-every-two-year elections.

Big picture models, for instance, pointed towards Trump's win. Vindication, right? No, because Hillary almost certainly would have won if not for Comey's completely unprecedented interference at the last minute. So the models made the correct prediction for the completely wrong reasons.

What is true, however, is that Republicans have cracked the statistical code of our democratic system. They understand that in a polarized two-party system, they are guaranteed 46% of the vote *no matter what*, and even if they lose power for a short amount of time, they will gain it right back in another election cycle or two, if for no other reason than because they are the only "other" candidate on the ballot. Factor in all the anti-democratic structural factors in their favor (massive right-wing propaganda system, electoral college, gerrymandering), and they are guaranteed control at least half, and probably slightly more than half, of the time. Individual republicans who lose races are just statistical noise, while the party as a whole is guaranteed its position over the long term. So there is no reason for them to make any adjustments to how they behave.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
20. I've long believed this
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 11:35 AM
Feb 2020

Nobody changes their mind on politics except maybe once in a lifetime.

I have NEVER met a person who claims to be a Republican, then switched to Democrat, then back to Republican. (or the opposite, starting as a Dem, flipping then back to Dem).

How often do you change your mind on politics? How often have you flipped someone else? These things happen, but you can count them on one hand.


Nope. It's all about turnout.

It comes down to how the candidate excites people to show up and vote for the guy that represents your own team.

Obama did it better than anyone we know. (albeit about different things) . Hopefully we get a candidate that get's people excited to rush the polls at a greater rate than Trumps people get excited. (and in the right states)

Turnout.

Nobody changes their mind. (especially on the internet)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
24. Obama could help too
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:14 PM
Feb 2020

by campaigning for the eventual candidate. And he had a program about getting people to vote and vote in the lesser elections. Even if he is not the one running, he could inspire people to vote for the Ds.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
23. I especially like the change in emphasis on "swing" voters...
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 12:14 PM
Feb 2020

I agree that most of independents really aren't, they're just people who don't sign a paper aligning with a party. They still tend to vote one way or the other. So, there aren't really 15% of voters "available" to be convinced, and more like 6-7%.

Every time Dems reach across the aisle lately, the Repubs cut off our hands. Fuck em.

Yes, it really is about GOTV. While there are not a lot of voters out there that we can convince to changed sides, there are a lot of voters out there that stayed home last time that we need to turn out.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
28. I live 30 miles away and I still haven't heard of her....
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:48 PM
Feb 2020

If there's no "swing voter", then all those millions of people who supposedly voted for Obama and didn't vote for Hillary were a myth?

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
29. Didn't see anything in the article that dealt with Obama's 26 seat House gain
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 05:56 PM
Feb 2020

in 2008. Another is the 2010 tea party crap.

Down tickets are at risk.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
32. I like her prediction, but I doubt -
Thu Feb 6, 2020, 06:07 PM
Feb 2020

that there are no swing voters.

My brother and and I are really into politics.

My significant other too.

But a lot of my friends hate politics, and, although they USUALLY vote Dem, they say, I know a few who don't decide until almost the day of.


EDIT: I read the link in more detail, and yeah, she's on to something.

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