Manchin Calls for Censuring Trump

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Manchin Calls for Censuring Trump

February 3, 2020 at 5:01 pm EST By Taegan Goddard Leave a Comment


https://politicalwire.com/2020/02/03/manchin-calls-for-censuring-trump/

"SNIP.....

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV), a moderate who is friendly with the White House, asked his colleagues to consider censuring President Trump as it concludes the Senate impeachment trial, the Washington Post reports.

“Manchin has prepared a censure resolution for fellow senators to consider in the coming days, which would be a less severe rebuke than removal from office for Trump’s efforts in pressuring Ukraine to investigate his domestic political rival.”

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[rockfordfile]

1. No. He has already been impeached. Trump is a traitor.

[11 Bravo]

24. He will not be removed.

But a censure resolution won't only shame him, it might just send him spiraling over the edge.
I call that a win-win scenario.

[Catherine Vincent]

27. I agree

If they do censure him, they will claim it erased the Impeachment.

[rzemanfl]

2. Without documents and witnesses?

Fuck that.

[KPN]

3. Distancing himself from the pack ...

of Democrats that is.

This system really sucks sometimes, and obviously isn’t working the way intended right now.

[berni_mccoy]

4. It's what happened to Clinton.

[Botany]

5. They all know he is guilty but lack the moral courage to do anything about it.

Just this Ukraine stuff alone should have been more than enough to remove him from office.
Trump used taxpayer money to extort a foreign leader to make up "dirt" on a fellow American
so as to rig an election.

But if you are going to censure Trump then bring on the witnesses, evidence, and the complete
Mueller report too.

[democrattotheend]

6. I think this is a good idea

Several Republican senators said what he did was wrong but not impeachable. Call their bluff and make them vote for censure. The advantage of censure is that it makes it a lot harder for Trump to claim he was exonerated and the whole thing was a partisan witch hunt, if people in his own party vote to censure him.

[Squinch]

7. Me too. Impeached and censured. Can't hurt.

[rzemanfl]

10. I think it's too much like a participation trophy for the Impeachment Managers.

The traitorous Repukes should own what they did and have their votes tied around their necks like a dead chicken for the rest of their scurrilous loves. Don't give their obituaries any help with a "voted for censure" fig leaf.

[global1]

14. Correct Me If I'm Wrong....

but he still has the honor of being 'impeached'. You can't take that away from him. That stain will follow him and his legacy for all times.

Censure is a compromise between 'removal' and 'acquittal'.

It gives those Repug Senators a way to put their money where their mouth is - when they say Trump did break the law but it doesn't warrant removal from office. He can't say he was acquitted or exonerated. He's been censured or penalized for breaking the law. I kind of see it as one mark against him - and he better clean up his act or next time - it's removal.

Put up or shut up guys. Censure Trump!!!!!

He can't take a victory lap or spike the ball in the end zone.

He won't be able to gloat at the SOTU.

[jaysunb]

17. Bingo ! Nt

[spanone]

18. Yep!

[phleshdef]

8. If the only 2 viable options is a bullshit acquittal or censure, then I'm all for it.

I'm surprised Manchin is even going there.

[Karma13612]

9. So, are we thinking this means

Manchin will vote to acquit?

Heavens.

[Bradical79]

13. Sounds like it to me

He's pretty rotten.

[pnwmom]

19. He's not rotten. He's Senator from a state where Trump had a 42% margin of victory over HRC--

the highest in the country -- and he got elected as a centrist who supported the ACA. Even so, he's voted with progressives about 60% of the time.

A DU-style progressive would never have gotten elected in WVA, so we're lucky he ran. (He was a popular Governor.) His vote in the Senate puts us one more vote closer to deposing Mitch McConnell next time.

[phleshdef]

25. Yea I grew up in WV. People don't understand how deeply red it is.

And last I checked, its still the state where Trump has the highest approval ratings out of all 50 of them.

Manchin does piss me off a lot but I do, on some level, understand why he is the way that he is. Even suggesting censure is a very risky move for him honestly. There are people there that would contemplate shooting him just for that and I'm not exaggerating.

[pnwmom]

29. I believe you -- you're not exaggerating. I have a good friend from WVA and have visited there. n/t

[moose65]

30. Yeah but.....

Manchin was just re-elected in 2018. By the time he has to face the voters again (if he decides to run) all of this will be ancient history. He doesn’t have to pander to Republicans to save his seat - he’s safe till January 2025.

[OnDoutside]

21. Manchin knows his audience. They're simple people.

[The Blue Flower]

11. Gives Rs a pass, so no

It's a CYA move.

[democrattotheend]

15. But it gives CYA to Democrats too

They don't look like the impeachment effort was a total failure, and it's harder for Trump to claim the whole thing was nothing more than a partisan witch hunt if senators from his own party vote to censure him. And it gives vulnerable Democratic senators like Manchin an out on voting for a removal that won't happen and a better chance of keeping their seats. Absent having 2/3 to remove, I think losing a few Dems on removal in exchange for a bipartisan vote to censure is a much better result for us.

[Bradical79]

12. We should censure him

But I think it's not good to suggest that before he's officially acquitted.

[jaysunb]

16. I knew this was coming. And not surprised it was Manchin. Nt

[Kaleva]

20. I believe censure would just require a simple majority to pass.

[nevergiveup]

23. I am mostly against it

but it would put Susan Collins and a few other Republican Senators in a pickle and that I would like to see.

[kentuck]

26. Trump does not want to be censured.

He will let Mitch know.

[moondust]

28. Dump would laugh out loud.

He's crude enough that he would probably go to his rallies and mock the "weak little censure thing" that doesn't mean anything and has no effect so he's TOTALLY EXONERATED!

Then call Putin and MBS.

[andym]

31. GOP is too afraid to even censure Trump

so it would be good to get a Senate vote on it,

[applegrove]

33. +1

[NCLefty]

32. "Howbout we just do nothing, you guys?"

/eyeroll

[cbdo2007]

34. Is there any actual punishment there?!?

Like are there actual consequences. It would definitely kill his hopes of reelection though because it hints of wrongdoing and is thr same thing as Clinton.

It's a decent compromise and I can't imagine the Repubes getting behind him as their candidate if he were censured.