****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 2/3/20 THREAD 2****

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Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212944384

[BumRushDaShow]

1. Closing arguments continue - Patrick Philbin up for the WH counsel side

[Kali]

2. binful-o-BS

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3. Same false nonsense about "invalid subpoenas".

[SamKnause]

4. I wish every time one of Trump's lawyer's tells a lie, they would get a

a nice stiff jolt of electricity to bring them back to reality.

I am so sick of the LIES !!!!!!!!!!!

[crickets]

6. I don't understand why they are not under oath

and facing some sort of censure or being hauled in front of their state bar for knowingly spouting lies. It just boggles the mind.

[SamKnause]

8. I don't either.

This is not justice.

This is not fair.

This is not democratic.

[BumRushDaShow]

10. I wouldn't be surprised if that eventually happens.

I expect that there is a process required to do that where a complaint is filed and adjudicated at the Bar where they were accredited.

[crickets]

16. *crosses fingers*

[gademocrat7]

5. The rethug counsel spewing same lies.

[SamKnause]

7. Could Trump's top notch team of lawyers be any more boring ???

Can't they make their speech of lies entertaining ???

[BumRushDaShow]

9. This idiot is arguing against common sense

If you are innocent - you are going to do everything and present anything you have to show that you are innocent, as part of you defense. Yet he doesn't think that is the case.

Complete gish gallop now...

[Mersky]

11. One of the pillars of philbin's 'arguments' is waving away the House's power of impeachment

I’m not an attorney, but I’m pretty sure this would not hold up in a real court of law. He benefits from arguing in a way that will seemingly remain uncontested, and shame on the republican senators going along with this shaky tripe.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. The sadder part is that the entirety of the educators of history, government, and law

are going to have to clean up behind the mess that these lunatic unfit "lawyers" have created.

[Mersky]

18. It is wild to think about.

Heck, I’m considering going back to school for a law degree. So much cleanup will be needed.

[BumRushDaShow]

12. Purpura is done and now Suckylow is up

[BumRushDaShow]

14. Sucky doesn't realize that playing those clips of Dems is gonna energize our base

[backtoblue]

15. Omg, that sinister background music...

[crickets]

22. Naked propaganda in a 'trial.' Wow.

[C_U_L8R]

17. Spooky soundtrack???

What clowns.

[underpants]

101. Whaaaat?

[C_U_L8R]

105. It was really cheesy. Like the soundtrack of a bad horror movie...

or more correctly, like a typical GOP campaign commercial designed terrify idiots. I guess the defense thinks Republican Senators are idiots.

[Kali]

19. drama music

[blogslut]

20. This Impeachment clip reel has a soundtrack!

Is this an outtake from a campaign film?

[BumRushDaShow]

21. I expect it will be (or is) part of an ad.

[crickets]

23. That was my first thought as well. Tacky.

[BumRushDaShow]

24. I hope all those Drumpfy-loving "unelected bureaucrats"

(and there are quite a few because I worked with some before I retired) see how they don't give a shit about government employees.

[BumRushDaShow]

25. He needs to stop lying about that call "transcript". I WASN'T a "transcript"

it's call memo. I want to see the ORIGINAL without the "..." stuff that was edited out.

[Mersky]

32. They will pluck any claim out of thin air whenever it suits.

And do it over and over it again, as though that’ll make it true. I state the obvious, because I guess it needs to be stated.

The republicans have lost all credibility and integrity over these proceedings.

[BumRushDaShow]

34. And what is sad

is that it's mainly only the political junkies like us who are familiar with all the lies and obfuscation that they have done.

[Mersky]

40. I'm gonna ask a mixed crowd of folks between now and the vote on Wednesday

What they think. I’ll summarize the anecdotal responses I get. Should be sparky and interesting.

[Mersky]

43. I think the very basic, no witnesses and no documents looks pretty bad to the everyday folks

Who don’t know the different legislators just by the sound of their voice. Err... so my unrepentant political news junkie self likes to think.

[BumRushDaShow]

48. It's a shame that we now know who they are now

not just with their voice, but once they step up to the podium...

(I was 12 during Watergate and had no idea what Ehrlichmann and Haldeman and Ruckelshaus did...just heard the names over and over )

[in2herbs]

26. I get so frustrated when the Rs claim that trump was duly elected. He wasn't. He lost the popular

vote by more than 8 million. The voting machines which gave him the EC were hacked by Putin. There is no proof that he was duly elected. Why don't the House Managers bring this out to deflate the R argument??

[maxsolomon]

106. It's a moot point, regardless.

Every Impeachment of a President does the same dang thing. It's still in the Constitution.

BTW, lost by 3 million. "Voting machines hacked which gave him the EC" is your opinion - that's not establish fact (although it could be true), which is why the House Managers don't bring it up.

They're going by the book.

[BumRushDaShow]

27. Every judge has laughed this group of loser "lawyers" (in quotes) right out of court.

[Mersky]

28. The only things that have been "extraordinarily transparent" about the pResident in this mess

Is that he will continuing doing wrong and being a nasty, unbridled jerk that disregards his country, office, and oath on a daily basis.

[BumRushDaShow]

29. More free campaign ads... of course.

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30. And the irony here is that he just negated their whole argument about how Democrats "hate" Drumpf

[Mersky]

35. True. Lol.

Gotta keep up the levels of cognitive dissonance for the zombies for tRump crowd.

[BumRushDaShow]

31. Suckylow has handed back to Cippycup

[Mersky]

33. I hope Cippy gets stripped of his law license.

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36. Some strategist on their campaign must have told them to stop talking "division"

and start talking "bipartisanship" and being "united".

I guess someone did polling on the Independents and they were losing them like mad?

[Kali]

37. this citizen voted to have representatives and senators do their fucking jobs

I don't think I am alone. so, asshole, the will of a hell of a lot of people is being done. stop claiming you speak for the whole country.

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38. ...

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39. Cippy is done and their case is "done".

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41. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) is now presenting more of the House closing arguments from reserved time.

[crickets]

42. For Cipollone to talk about the defense of the American people's right to vote

while working to acquit a president who blatantly engages in election tampering is beyond the pale.

[Mersky]

51. And is pretty sloppy with his job description/ is seemingly a fact witness

Needs to stfu and look for a new line of work.

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44. Lofgren made a great point - there were NO "term limits" when they wrote the Consitution

so there was "always an election". (the Constitution was only amended after Roosevelt, who had won 4 terms before he died at the beginning of his 4th, to include a term limit of 2 consecutive terms)

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45. Lofgren is done and has handed off to Sylvia Garcia (D-TX) to continue the House closing arguments.

[3catwoman3]

46. I wanted to shove my fist down Cippilone's...

...lying throat when he was yapping about letting the people choose the POTUS.

We already did, asshole, by 3 million more votes!

[bdamomma]

111. I hope they

disbar them all. Fucking idiots.

And do not invoke our names they don't know what we are thinking or their followers who are NOT thinking.

Just wait there will be a fight being right matters facts and evidence matter. They have woken up a sleeping giant.!!!!

[Kali]

47. wow Garcia - powerful

our team is SO good. what a shame the assholes are so shut down from doing the right thing.

[Kali]

52. and I love when she throws in the Spanish

[in2herbs]

107. I have been watching on PBS and some of the guest commentators they have on make

my blood boil because it's PBS and not FOX but the truth doesn't seem to matter to them. Also, Lisa D. just said that Garcia has been going on Spanish radio (or TV??) every night giving a commentary of events to the Spanish speaking electorate. This calms me down somewhat by being informed of how hard the House is working to do the right thing.

[crickets]

56. "Democracy is a gift that each generation gives to the next one.

If we say that this President can put his interests above all else, even when lives are at stake, then we give our nation's children a weaker democracy than we inherited from those that came before us. The next generation deserves better. They are counting on us."

[crickets]

49. Lofgren: "Your oath is not to do the easy thing.

It's to do impartial justice. It requires conviction and removal of President* Trump."

I love how she drew the comparison of Nixon being impeached for trying to cheat in an election. She did a good job.

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50. Garcia emphasizing - "No one is above the law". Handing off to Jason Crow.

[crickets]

58. "We all know that he will do it again" She is knocking it out of the park.

It is to their everlasting shame that the Senate will not convict.

[C_U_L8R]

53. When you're a star...

[BumRushDaShow]

54. Crow re: Drumpf "A man who thinks if they are are star they will let you do anything"

[mobeau69]

55. These fucking cons are shameless. You want bipartisanship; fuck you.

GOTV.

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57. Crow - quoting Maya Angelou - "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time."

[Kali]

60. and Harry Potter!

[BumRushDaShow]

63. I think he said

--"hanging in the room" ? as a quote.

[Mersky]

64. "It is our choices that show who we truly are, far more than our abilities."

- Professor Dumbledore

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59. Crow - reading the note he wrote to his children in copies of the Constitution that he gave to them.

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61. Crow has concluded and handed off to Val Demmings.

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62. Demmings - "The President's lawyers want you not to believe your lying eyes and ears"

[crickets]

69. Her story about her father and his richness of character

vs no one trying to talk about Trump's character during this trial - brilliant. Ouch.

[BumRushDaShow]

65. Demmings now going over her role and focus when she was a Police Chief

and the focus both inside the department and outside.

Preach it!!!!

[BumRushDaShow]

66. Demmings: Unfortunately we are holding young police recruits to a higher standard

than the leader of the free world.

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67. Demmings done and you can hear a pin drop in there.

[Mersky]

74. VIDEO: Demings' entire final presentation

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Eta: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851853/user-clip-demings-closing-argument

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68. Jeffries up - emphasizing Ben Franklin about the "Republic, if you can keep it".

[BumRushDaShow]

70. Jeffries - theme: "America is truly in the wilderness"

The Senate can still do the right thing. Walk by faith, not by sight.

[Kali]

71. have I mentioned

how good our team is?

[BumRushDaShow]

72. Jeffries is done (amazing). Schiff is now up.

[BumRushDaShow]

73. Schiff noting that at "midnight in Washington" and how the WH counsels were still arguing in court

that they would not turn over any documents after arguing they were not "covering u".

[malaise]

75. What a great line

Damn!

[gademocrat7]

78. Chairman Schiff is so very articulate.

Puts the clowns on the defense to shame.

[crickets]

77. Excellent words, and good for him for calling out Bill Barr.

DOJ waited until after the vote and until the very last moment of the day to send refusal. Cowards.

[SamKnause]

76. Adam is angry and rightfully so.

I sense fear in his voice as well.

He knows what is coming if Trump is above the law.

[Mersky]

79. "He's guilty as sin."

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[Mersky]

80. "What shall you say" (when Russia interferes with our election again)

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[C_U_L8R]

81. This is some Ezekiel 25:17 level stuff

Chairman Schiff is so righteous.

[Mersky]

82. "Through sheer repetition" (turn lies into truth)

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[BumRushDaShow]

83. Schiff - "50 years ago no one would have made the outlandish argument"

that if a President felt it was in the "national interest" then he could do anything he wanted.

It is dangerous.

[PatSeg]

86. Yeah, that's what dictators claim

[Zorro]

84. Schiff is tearing it up

Calling out the Republicans for putting party above country.

[BumRushDaShow]

85. Schiff -"If you vote to acquit your name would be tied with a cord of steel for the rest of history"

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87. Schiff - "Is there one among you who can say ENOUGH!"

[Mersky]

88. When the pendulum swings back

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89. Schiff - "Decency matters here"

[malaise]

91. Decency Matters

This is brilliant - Go Adam Schiff!! Enough! Enough!

[BumRushDaShow]

90. Schiff - "Truth matters to YOU. He is NOT what you are."

[C_U_L8R]

92. "He is not who you are"

Wow.

[BumRushDaShow]

93. Hot DAMN!!

[crickets]

100. That was incredible. I sat spellbound through the whole thing. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

94. Turtle has now adjourned their activity "sitting as an impeachment trial"

[Mersky]

95. Full closing comments from Schiff

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https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4851856/user-clip-schiffs-final-closing-argument

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96. Turtle - ***ABSENCE OF A QUORUM***

Senate roll calls as a brief "break". Grassley back in the chair. Roberts done.

[BumRushDaShow]

97. ***SENATE NOW IN MORNING BUSINESS***

Senators can speak up to 10 minutes on any subject including the impeachment - this will go on until Wednesday at 4 pm when they have the final vote.

[Mersky]

98. Wow. Schiff's words are still reverberating with me.

He put them fully on notice as being informed of the consequences of the vote they are to take.

[Kali]

99. my poor dogs

they are "trained" when I clap my hands to run out the door and chase cows out of the driveway. I was applauding every one of our team today. dogs are pissed at me.

[crickets]

102. I kept thinking surely Schiff's words might reach someone across the aisle.

Unfortunately, many were not even in the room.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212945484

[C_U_L8R]

108. It would, if they weren't such blockheads.

The GOP is gonna be glowing toxic orange for generations.
If they don't succeed in bringing down democracy this time, they're fucked for good.

[bdamomma]

112. Repigs are done

so is McConnell, he will be a tortured for the rest of his miserable life.

[woodsprite]

103. PBS News Hr talking heads sound like they're for the Repubs

saying the President's team did a good job rebutting the Democrats. Saying they will work on bipartisan issues with the Dems.

Apparently Joe Manchon was the only Dem they saw shaking hands with the Pres. counsel.

How's coverage on other channels?

[SamKnause]

104. Damn, that speech will be in the history books.

[Hortensis]

109. Yes. I am proud of our people. The history books will

show us Democrats fighting for our democracy.

"It is midnight in Washington. But on this night not all the lights have been extinguished."

Them, us, and people like the one he speaks of in the DoJ who acted heroically.

[Mersky]

110. Link to the thread monitoring senators reasoning as they speak on the senate floor

From now until Wednesday at 4pm ET

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212944917

[Hermit-The-Prog]

113. Thanks BRDS and everyone who contributed to these threads! ...

I spent the whole day working on a truck and missed it all. These threads present a good synopsis of the day's activity.

Thanks for the descriptions and discussion!

[BumRushDaShow]

114. And thank you for thanks!

They ended at ~3 pm ET and went into "Morning Business" mode in the Senate (Roberts was dismissed), with Senators speaking for up to 10 minutes on any topic although all that spoke today did talk about the impeachment trial. They concluded at ~7 pm ET with Murkowski as the final speaker today, and will resume "Morning Business" at 9:30 am ET Tuesday 2/4/20, for more speeches until such time when they will adjourn to participate in the SOTU tomorrow night (to be held in the House chamber).

[Hermit-The-Prog]

115. saw your thread this morning ...

Didn't have time to do more than just note your thread #1 was up, this morning. We're expecting rain sometime tonight and I had to get the work done outside. Just finished reading through the 2 threads a little while ago. Apparently I didn't miss the ending by much.

Thanks for the update on the schedule. I won't watch that SOTU!

[BumRushDaShow]

116. I had to run out earlier this morning before it started, so I could run some errands

since it is supposed to rain on and off here the rest of the week.

And I definitely will NOT be watching the SOTU. I know what the "state of our union" is - our poor "union" has been destroyed.

[Kali]

117. you missed great speeches by our team

worth your time to find replays, especially Schiff (I know several have posted links for his, look in the video forum)

[Hermit-The-Prog]

118. Thanks, found one right where you said ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017566708